Physicist Claims To Have Solved the Mystery of Consciousness

and ,
- who cares whether I shouldnt tell it , Im close to death anyway -
15 years ago Christ appeared next to me and spoke to an audience
the audience was 'in the sky'
like a packed stadium in the sky

i never understood

but befóre He appeared
there was something so sweet and tender
waiting for Him

so tenderly expecting

only years later i understood it was She
and that it was not about me
but that she was waiting for her son [-to appear]

the momement before He left ,
when the speech was over ,
- sorry for the profane words -
this in-cre-dible sadness was in the air

only later I realized it was because He left

a reply to: lonerpt

My mother (now an octogenarian) had a similar experience in her younger days and told us children, with great sadness, that she had to return here by his order - she begged to stay with Him. Could this have been a spiritual consciousness event? Not sure if it was a religious thing, because she denounced her faith due to hypocrisy.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Annee

I can't believe you let the teachings go as well.

Which teachings?

Along with Christianity -- I was raised in metaphysics (way back in the 50s).

You are responsible for your own Karma.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Annee

I can't believe you let the teachings go as well.

Which teachings?

Along with Christianity -- I was raised in metaphysics (way back in the 50s).

You are responsible for your own Karma.

"You are responsible for your own Karma" is exactly one of the teachings from the Bible.

To whom much is given, much will be required (Luke 12:48). If you have heard that line of wisdom, you know it means we are held responsible for what we have. If we have been blessed with talents, wealth, knowledge, time, and the like, it is expected that we benefit others.

You know, those little tidbits of wisdom that are found in almost all religions.

"You are responsible to no-one and to everything." - Zen

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Annee

I can't believe you let the teachings go as well.

Which teachings?

Along with Christianity -- I was raised in metaphysics (way back in the 50s).

You are responsible for your own Karma.

"You are responsible for your own Karma" is exactly one of the teachings from the Bible.

To whom much is given, much will be required (Luke 12:48). If you have heard that line of wisdom, you know it means we are held responsible for what we have. If we have been blessed with talents, wealth, knowledge, time, and the like, it is expected that we benefit others.

You know, those little tidbits of wisdom that are found in almost all religions.

"You are responsible to no-one and to everything." - Zen

The bible is selected writings from its time.

Since most people were illiterate -- who was elite enough to have written them?

I do not discount the value of the writings from the bible.

But it was written by men. Men of influence.

and , to stay on topic ,
there is nothing , absolutely nothing ,
more sweet for the soul as to feel His kindness [-to her]

He says
"I like to be kind"
and indeed it is so

what do these selfproclaimed 'physicists' know

deluding all of us
with their silly Lies

may our Father
be kind to all of you that are serious

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Annee

I can't believe you let the teachings go as well.

Which teachings?

Along with Christianity -- I was raised in metaphysics (way back in the 50s).

You are responsible for your own Karma.

"You are responsible for your own Karma" is exactly one of the teachings from the Bible.

To whom much is given, much will be required (Luke 12:48). If you have heard that line of wisdom, you know it means we are held responsible for what we have. If we have been blessed with talents, wealth, knowledge, time, and the like, it is expected that we benefit others.

You know, those little tidbits of wisdom that are found in almost all religions.

"You are responsible to no-one and to everything." - Zen

The bible is selected writings from its time.

Since most people were illiterate -- who was elite enough to have written them?

I do not discount the value of the writings from the bible.

But it was written by men. Men of influence.

Some were written by women witnesses and I don't discount wise teachings because of gender.

(Mary) said, "I saw the Lord in a vision and I said to him, ‘Lord, I saw you today in a vision.’" He answered and said to me: “Blessed are you, that you did not waver at the sight of me. For where the mind is, there is the treasure." I said to him, "So now, Lord, does a person who sees a vision see it the soul through the spirit?"[13]

"For where the mind is, there is the treasure." - Love that comparison of mind to treasure and Mary continues to probe into spirit vs. soul. Now we have more to consider besides mind, body and spirit.

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: SLAYER69

I read the article and several things stand out.

First, the physicists vs psychologists confusion in the title is misleading at least. The researchers are trying to explain consciousness using a physics analogy. That analogy is full of assumptions like “time” and consciousness already existing allowing the physics to be measured.

Second, this is only applicable to whole, healthy brains! There has been research into what happens with slightly damaged brains that is being ignored.

More important is that we don’t even know how the little parts make up the whole (how perception is pieces together to create memory and how we keep perception and memory separate… sometimes we don’t, like deja vu).

Add to this that each brain is wired differently for each individual it is kind of amazing that we can even communicate in any language!

It is a weird and strange fact that the brain will try to understand any signal fed into it! Electrical, chemical, emotional, or novel, the brain tries to understand what the signal means!

Consciousness may just be a function/word like “lap” (where does it go when you stand?) or “fist” (where does it go when you pick your nose?).

Trying to understand that using non-quantum mechanics physics is taking the non-calculus physics class and claiming to be a physicist!! It just doesn’t work that way!

Read this and see if the OP article even makes sense:

www.quantamagazine.org...

Thanks for making me think this morning!!

a reply to: GENERAL EYES

While I agree with your overall sentiment, I have to point out that the womb is not always a place of safety and sanctuary.

I didn't claim it was. I claimed that it is relatively safe in a general sense.

It is physically impossible to make any statement, no matter how general or how inclusive one attempts to be, that can include every possible permutation. Of course there are exceptions to the general. But the reality is that in the womb,

• a child is fed intravenously; there is no need for a functioning digestive tract
  
• a child is protected from most pathogens by the mother's innate immune system.
  
• a child is cushioned against impact by the amniotic fluid.
  
• oxygen is supplied via the bloodstream; the lungs need not be functional so there is no chance of inhaling respiratory pathogens.

Of course there are exceptions. But it is disingenuous to argue against a general point using exceptions. The exception is not the rule.

not every womb is hospitable due to various genetic variables and environmental factors

Of course not! I never suggested differently. I made a general, well-known, obvious observation concerning what a normal pregnancy entails for the child.

I can say "cats hate water" and that would generally be true. However, some cats do not mind water, and a few species are quite at ease in the water. The specific does not negate the general.

I could say "the sky is blue" and that would be true in a general sense. However, I have seen a red sky, a yellow sky, a green sky... weather conditions, especially extreme weather, can change that general observation. Such a change does not mean the original statement is untrue. The sky will continue to be blue under normal circumstances.

I can say "grass is green." It is; but under drought conditions it can turn brown and there are some grasses that exhibit colors more toward the blue hues. Grass is still green.

I can say "I always listen to music on my radio." That is true; that is the use of my car radio. However, sometimes there is no good radio station, and once in a while I am forced to travel during an Alabama game and listen to that. I cannot say, "I always isten to music on my radio, except when there is no radio signal or the radio is malfunctioning or I rarely choose to listen to a football game or I get a phone call or I need to listen to a noise I think the car is making or I am having a conversation with someone in a parking lot or..." A simple statement of general fact would turn into a literal book! And that book would contain no more useful information than the general statement.

To require any statement to cover all potential possibilities is to deny the ability to make any statement. There wouldn't be any ATS if such a requirement existed, would there?

God is merciful, Nature is not.

I could not agree more with this statement.

Please don't hate me for pointing out these harsh truths.

I don't. I am aware of your condition from previous threads, and I feel great sympathy for you over it. Your burden must be terrible. However, I simply cannot explain anything if I am required to include all possibilities. Science stalls due to the impossibility of always addressing every conceivable situation, and we cannot do anything.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Annee

An adopted child often relates more to its birth parent (even if never met) -- than its adopted parents.

That would be expected, if one accepts that the child is already using some Pavlovian learning processes before birth. The sounds of the birth parents, especially the mother, are audible in the womb (even if somewhat muffled).

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

No worries, I understand you have the best and most honorable intentions when you post.

I just felt compelled to post in the manner I did to provide a counter balance, not to challenge your narrative but rather to expand upon it to cover less than ideal circumstances.

No hard feelings, you're a good person and I respect the idealised scenario.

I knew from a very young age I was not destined to be a Mother for a multitude of reasons.

I guess I am still processing my guilt and grief as I probably always will.

No hard feelings.

Thanks for the kind words, and letting me speak my peace.

a reply to: lonerpt

I agree, nothing has been solved, it is a sleight of hand magic trick dealing in reference frames & actually measuring norhing of any value with any meaning vis a vis the question of consciousness itself.

a reply to: Annee

You realise google indexes millions of pages for each search yet will only present a maximum of 1000 or so pages, even when you choose to see the omitted results? Try any search you like and then attempt to go passed say page 50 of the google search results. Once you've seen all the mainstream articles that are marketed and promoted by mega corporations the trail ends. I suggest you gain knowledge from books, scientific journals and listening to other more astute researchers. Page one of the google ranking on any subject are generally put there by the folk with the deepest pockets. You say that scripture is the work of man, yet treat google like some kind of seer.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Annee

You realise google indexes millions of pages for each search yet will only present a maximum of 1000 or so pages, even when you choose to see the omitted results? Try any search you like and then attempt to go passed say page 50 of the google search results. Once you've seen all the mainstream articles that are marketed and promoted by mega corporations the trail ends. I suggest you gain knowledge from books, scientific journals and listening to other more astute researchers. Page one of the google ranking on any subject are generally put there by the folk with the deepest pockets. You say that scripture is the work of man, yet treat google like some kind of seer.

I have zero interest in the Bible.

I was having a polite conversation with someone who also knows how to have polite conversation.

I believe in ancient aliens (off-planet beings) who visited earth -- "taught" the people -- and shared their wisdom.

I believe they are among us today.

This thread is not about the bible.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Yes, Seems to be completely at odds with recent discoveries in quantum physics.

Scientists prove the Universe is Not Locally Real

a reply to: Annee

I never mentioned the bible or religion. I was stating Google isn’t the best reference for research as it’s search results are generated based on ad revenue. Scripture refers to any sacred text, similar to how you treat Google. You did say “Google religion and the brain” after-all. Then the next post gave your opinion on the bible.

Your beliefs based on any evidence? I’m not discounting them btw. I actually gave you a star in this thread and agreed with an earlier post. There’s a first time for everything.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Annee

You realise google indexes millions of pages for each search yet will only present a maximum of 1000 or so pages, even when you choose to see the omitted results? Try any search you like and then attempt to go passed say page 50 of the google search results. Once you've seen all the mainstream articles that are marketed and promoted by mega corporations the trail ends. I suggest you gain knowledge from books, scientific journals and listening to other more astute researchers. Page one of the google ranking on any subject are generally put there by the folk with the deepest pockets. You say that scripture is the work of man, yet treat google like some kind of seer.

I have zero interest in the Bible.

I was having a polite conversation with someone who also knows how to have polite conversation.

I believe in ancient aliens (off-planet beings) who visited earth -- "taught" the people -- and shared their wisdom.

I believe they are among us today.

This thread is not about the bible.

so , in a thread addressing 'consciousness'
which is closely linked to '[another type-] reality',
you refuse to take the bible into account ,
as the one f*kn TELLING you how your demons visited this earth .

And we must discuss seriously with you ??

the only reason 'that you dont want to discuss the bible'
is because of your own willfull ignorance

you never knew nor cared about the ancient texts
but hold on to your ET ideas

the Egyptian spells describe the worldtree
this rotten planet on a side of it
and the mighty river stealing the eden aspects to feed their paradise in that tree

Rg-Veda describes the same river

even f*n Plato does --
seeing the mighty river ascending "from Tartarus" [=eden]

the bible describes the same
cause she is brutally honest ,
as "the river which the Dragon made"

and then you come with your childish

you are the Curse to forums like this

the Curse to souls that try find knowledge

sweet souls that try to uderstand the f*n mess they are entrapped in

but you only delude

'they' so incredibly Lied to us

-- this 'us' does not include you ,
you are already an expert in lying to yourself --

they ""translated"" all the egyptian spells THE WRONG WAY

having read them the wrong way around

all Esau's "" specialists"" have fc*d you

telling you debile outerworldly stories that THEY made up
which was never said