Physicist Claims To Have Solved the Mystery of Consciousness

and they had a f*kn good REASON for that :
to never let us understand :
because that will be the day this f*n prison planet will END

scripture - that you in your utterly silly ignorance so hate -
tells "how I will cause the graves of the nobles to be opened",
and the theme is 'Egypt'

he says ,
then my sons will decipher their sayings'
-- you can check every word i m saying here --
as the people that carved their victory over Eden in miles and miles of hieroglyphs
they couldnt f*n stop rejoicing over that

and she says
'when my sons will [finally] UNDERSTAND what is going on',
- that is , all the souls onhere trying to make sense of this s*t planet -
-- exept you ofcourse --
I will act

he says
that the nobles who wrote their victory
- that is : all the miles of hieroglyphs -
will be tortured by their bosses
by the upper demons
for having revealed TO US the true situation

.. i hope that OP wont be angry with me
[and neither the mods]
but i m dying anyway - so why i hold back

i studied myself the egyptian Spells
and they just refused to make sense
until i saw that thay were translated the wrong way around

they made PERFECT sense
when reading the columns from down up

in that time
a morning before dawn
and i couldnt sleep
sitting outside
i saw five beings in front of me
they were dark beings yet royal
wearing a cape or perhaps it were wings
and they discussed f*n me

my only desire
is to have Jacob out of this hellhole

and then i m sitting here with tears in my eyes

for all the sweet souls that are so imprisoned

and never could know why they are

----- but YOU

they depend on YOU

by YOUR understanding

such is the promise




and about that poster with his ET demons : f*k him .

.... people talking about [=evil] beings bringing us 'wisdom'

it cannot get more Insane as that

WE were once the flower of everything that existed

but it were the evil beings -- the masters of that poster -- that hated us
literally said "they hated and envied our beauty"

i hope you re not angry with me OP
for ruining your thread

but i cant stop crying

i will tell you everything
how incredible deep They hate us

throughout all of history

and they all wrote it down
thats why you are not supposed to know

and then that monstrous poster comes along
with his ET demon friends

it is beyond incredible
the total Insanity

'they' f*k our sweet females
the original bodies imprisoned in mystery-babylon --
the evil region east of this earth

in the egyptian spells they rejoice about that

and they do it to keep US imprisoned

im sure you have seen the cardi b video
about the palace , the women and the tigers
that is what they want to tell you
-- knowing that you do not understand --

the bible tells this too
the chapter "the bulls of Bashan"
saying to them females
"come to us so we can drink you"

and NONE OF US UNDERSTANDS
EVERYONE IS BLIND
discussing Esau's contrived sh*t on this prison planet

yes it is much to take in
but you can do it
you are called the son
as the sons that make out the 144
who war for their people

The mind has been described as “the elusive entity where intelligence, decision making, perception, awareness and sense of self reside.” As creeks, streams, and rivers feed into a sea, so memories, thoughts, images, sounds, and feelings flow constantly into or through our mind. Consciousness, says one definition, is “the perception of what passes in a man’s own mind.”

Modern researchers have made great strides in understanding the physical makeup of the brain and some of the electrochemical processes that occur in it. They can also explain the circuitry and functioning of an advanced computer. However, there is a vast difference between brain and computer. With your brain you are conscious and are aware of your being, but a computer certainly is not. Why the difference?

Frankly, how and why consciousness arises from physical processes in our brain is a mystery. “I don’t see how any science can explain that,” one neurobiologist commented. Also, Professor James Trefil observed: “What, exactly, it means for a human being to be conscious . . . is the only major question in the sciences that we don’t even know how to ask.” One reason why is that scientists are using the brain to try to understand the brain. And just studying the physiology of the brain may not be enough. Consciousness is “one of the most profound mysteries of existence,” observed Dr. David Chalmers, “but knowledge of the brain alone may not get [scientists] to the bottom of it.”

Nonetheless, each of us experiences consciousness. For example, our vivid memories of past events are not mere stored facts, like computer bits of information. We can reflect on our experiences, draw lessons from them, and use them to shape our future. We are able to consider several future scenarios and evaluate the possible effects of each. We have the capacity to analyze, create, appreciate, and love. We can enjoy pleasant conversations about the past, present, and future. We have ethical values about behavior and can use them in making decisions that may or may not be of immediate benefit. We are attracted to beauty in art and morals. In our mind we can mold and refine our ideas and guess how other people will react if we carry these out.

Such factors produce an awareness that sets humans apart from other life-forms on earth. A dog, a cat, or a bird looks in a mirror and responds as if seeing another of its kind. But when you look in a mirror, you are conscious of yourself as a being with the capacities just mentioned. You can reflect on dilemmas, such as: ‘Why do some turtles live 150 years and some trees live over 1,000 years, but an intelligent human makes the news if he reaches 100?’ Dr. Richard Restak states: “The human brain, and the human brain alone, has the capacity to step back, survey its own operation, and thus achieve some degree of transcendence. Indeed, our capacity for rewriting our own script and redefining ourselves in the world is what distinguishes us from all other creatures in the world.”

Man’s consciousness baffles some. The book Life Ascending, while favoring a mere biological explanation, admits: “When we ask how a process [evolution] that resembles a game of chance, with dreadful penalties for the losers, could have generated such qualities as love of beauty and truth, compassion, freedom, and, above all, the expansiveness of the human spirit, we are perplexed. The more we ponder our spiritual resources, the more our wonder deepens.” Very true. Thus, we might round out our view of human uniqueness by a few evidences of our consciousness that illustrate why many are convinced that there must be an intelligent Designer, a Creator, who cares for us.

Art and Beauty

“Why do people pursue art so passionately?” asked Professor Michael Leyton in Symmetry, Causality, Mind. As he pointed out, some might say that mental activity such as mathematics confers clear benefits to humans, but why art? Leyton illustrated his point by saying that people travel great distances to art exhibits and concerts. What inner sense is involved? Similarly, people around the globe put attractive pictures or paintings on the walls of their home or office. Or consider music. Most people like to listen to some style of music at home and in their cars. Why? It certainly is not because music once contributed to the survival of the fittest. Says Leyton: “Art is perhaps the most inexplicable phenomenon of the human species.”

Still, we all know that enjoying art and beauty is part of what makes us feel “human.” An animal might sit on a hill and look at a colorful sky, but is it drawn to beauty as such? We look at a mountain torrent shimmering in the sunshine, stare at the dazzling diversity in a tropical rain forest, gaze at a palm-lined beach, or admire the stars sprinkled across the black velvety sky. Often we feel awed, do we not? Beauty of that sort makes our hearts glow, our spirits soar. Why?

Why do we have an innate craving for things that, in reality, contribute little materially to our survival? From where do our aesthetic values come? If we do not take into account a Maker who shaped these values at man’s creation, these questions lack satisfying answers. This is also true regarding beauty in morals.

Moral Values

Many recognize the highest form of beauty to be fine deeds. For instance, being loyal to principles in the face of persecution, acting unselfishly to relieve others’ suffering, and forgiving someone who hurt us are actions that appeal to the moral sense of thinking people everywhere. This is the kind of beauty mentioned in the ancient Biblical proverb: “The insight of a man certainly slows down his anger, and it is beauty on his part to pass over transgression.” Or as another proverb observes: “The desirable thing in earthling man is his loving-kindness.”—Proverbs 19:11, 22.

We all know that some people, and even groups, ignore or trample on elevated morals, but the majority do not. From what source do the moral values found in virtually all areas and in all periods come? If there is no Source of morality, no Creator, did right and wrong simply originate with people, human society? Consider an example: Most individuals and groups hold murder to be wrong. But one could ask, ‘Wrong in comparison to what?’ Obviously there is some sense of morality that underlies human society in general and that has been incorporated into the laws of many lands. What is the source of this standard of morality? Could it not be an intelligent Creator who has moral values and who placed the faculty of conscience, or ethical sense, in humans?—Compare Romans 2:14, 15.

You Can Contemplate the Future and Plan for It

Another facet of human consciousness is our ability to consider the future. When asked whether humans have traits that distinguish them from animals, Professor Richard Dawkins acknowledged that man has, indeed, unique qualities. After mentioning “the ability to plan ahead using conscious, imagined foresight,” Dawkins added: “Short-term benefit has always been the only thing that counts in evolution; long-term benefit has never counted. It has never been possible for something to evolve in spite of being bad for the immediate short-term good of the individual. For the first time ever, it’s possible for at least some people to say, ‘Forget about the fact that you can make a short-term profit by chopping down this forest; what about the long-term benefit?’ Now I think that’s genuinely new and unique.”

Other researchers confirm that humans’ ability for conscious, long-term planning is without parallel. Neurophysiologist William H. Calvin notes: “Aside from hormonally triggered preparations for winter and mating, animals exhibit surprisingly little evidence of planning more than a few minutes ahead.” Animals may store food before a cold season, but they do not think things through and plan. By contrast, humans consider the future, even the distant future. Some scientists contemplate what may happen to the universe billions of years hence. Did you ever wonder why man—so different from animals—is able to think about the future and lay out plans?

The Bible says of humans: “Even time indefinite [the Creator] has put in their heart.” The Revised Standard Version renders it: “He has put eternity into man’s mind.” (Ecclesiastes 3:11) We use this distinctive ability daily, even in as common an act as glancing in a mirror and thinking what our appearance will be in 10 or 20 years. And we are confirming what Ecclesiastes 3:11 says when we give even passing thought to such concepts as the infinity of time and space. The mere fact that we have this ability harmonizes with the comment that a Creator has put “eternity into man’s mind.”

Drawn to a Creator

Many people, however, are not satisfied fully by enjoying beauty, doing good to fellowmen, and thinking about the future. “Strangely enough,” notes Professor C. Stephen Evans, “even in our most happy and treasured moments of love, we often feel something is missing. We find ourselves wanting more but not knowing what is the more we want.” Indeed, conscious humans—unlike the animals with which we share this planet—feel another need.

“Religion is deeply rooted in human nature and experienced at every level of economic status and educational background.” This summed up the research that Professor Alister Hardy presented in The Spiritual Nature of Man. It confirms what numerous other studies have established—man is God-conscious. While individuals may be atheists, whole nations are not. The book Is God the Only Reality? observes: “The religious quest for meaning . . . is the common experience in every culture and every age since the emergence of humankind.”

From where does this seemingly inborn awareness of God come? If man were merely an accidental grouping of nucleic acid and protein molecules, why would these molecules develop a love of art and beauty, turn religious, and contemplate eternity?

Sir John Eccles concluded that an evolutionary explanation of man’s existence “fails in a most important respect. It cannot account for the existence of each one of us as unique self-conscious beings.” The more we learn about the workings of our brain and mind, the easier it is to see why millions of people have concluded that man’s conscious existence is evidence of a Creator who cares about us.

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
...
W could of course begin the arguement into whether or not we have a Material Godhead(s) of if it's simply an evolutionary byproduct of natural forces fundamental to the Universe that coaleased and organized under natural conditions though billions of years of trial and error but really, it's so freakin' amazing that we are here now and experiencing these insights and scientific blends of philosophy and science and able to meditate and share insights in this discussion that it would be a shame to lose the flow by arguing over trivial matters.

Is it a trivial matter in any quest for true understanding though? Cause if there is a Creator (of both the universe and humankind, or other lifeforms for that matter), would he not have a full understanding of subjects such as human consciousness, making him the best source of information about it (especially if he wrote an instruction manual specifically for human beings dealing especially with these sort of subjects, "the spiritual nature of man", as per the title of the book quoted from at the end of my previous comment)?

The arguments in favor of design on the one hand and of natural selection on the other have frequently been refined, elaborated on, and updated. And both sides of the subject have greatly influenced what people believe about purpose​—or lack of purpose—​in the universe. What you believe might well influence how purposeful you feel your life is. How so?

The Logical Consequences of Darwinism

Belief in Darwin’s theory has led many sincere people to conclude that their existence is devoid of real purpose. If the cosmos and everything in it are the product of spontaneous combinations of elements after the primordial big bang, then there can be no real purpose to life. The late Nobel Prize-winning biologist Jacques Monod stated: “Man knows at last that he is alone in the unfeeling immensity of the universe from which he emerged by chance. His destiny is nowhere spelled out, nor is his duty.”

A similar thought is expressed by Oxford professor of chemistry Peter William Atkins, who declares: “I regard the existence of this extraordinary universe as having a wonderful, awesome grandeur. It hangs there in all its glory, wholly and completely useless.”

By no means do all scientists agree with that outlook. And for very good reasons.

When they examine the laws of nature, many investigators balk at the notion of a cosmos without purpose. They are impressed, for example, by the fundamental forces that regulate the universe. The laws underlying these forces appear to have been fine-tuned in such a way as to produce a universe capable of supporting life. “Changing the existing laws by even a scintilla could have lethal consequences,” says cosmologist Paul Davies. For example, if protons were slightly heavier than neutrons, rather than slightly lighter as they are, all protons would have turned into neutrons. Would that have been so bad? “Without protons and their crucial electric charge,” explains Davies, “atoms could not exist.”

The electromagnetic force attracts electrons to protons, allowing molecules to form. If this force were significantly weaker, electrons would not be held in orbit around the nucleus of an atom, and no molecules could form. If, on the other hand, this force were much stronger, electrons would be stuck to the nucleus of an atom. In that case, chemical reactions and life would simply be impossible.

A slight difference in the electromagnetic force would affect the sun and the solar energy that reaches our earth. Such a difference could easily make photosynthesis in plants difficult or impossible. So the precise strength of the electromagnetic force determines whether life on earth is possible or not.

Astronomer George Greenstein states: “As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency​—or, rather, Agency—​must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being?”

What do you think? Which explanation best fits the fine-tuning observable in the cosmos? Purposeful design or mindless process?

‘We’re Just Here​—That’s All There Is to It’

Atheists, of course, have their counterarguments. Some shrug off the apparent fine-tuning in nature, saying: ‘Of course the observable universe is capable of supporting human life. If it weren’t, we wouldn’t be here to worry about it. So there’s really nothing to explain. We’re just here, and that’s all there is to it.’ But do you find that a satisfying explanation for our existence?

Another argument is that it will someday be proved that only one possible set of numbers can work in the equations that express the fundamental laws of nature. Some say, ‘It’s that way because it had to be that way!’ Even if this circular reasoning were true, it would still not provide an ultimate explanation for our existence. In short, is it just a coincidence that the universe exists and that it is life-supporting?

In efforts to explain by natural processes alone the design and fine-tuning evident in the cosmos, still others turn to what has been called the multiverse, or many-universe, theory. According to this hypothesis, perhaps we live in just one of countless universes​—all of which have different conditions, but none of which have any purpose or design. Now according to that line of reasoning and the laws of probability, if you have enough universes, eventually one of them should have the right conditions to support life. However, there actually is no scientific evidence to support the multiverse theory. It is pure speculation.

After stating that he did not subscribe to that hypothesis, Nobel Prize-winning biochemist Christian de Duve said: “In my opinion, life and mind are such extraordinary manifestations of matter that they remain meaningful, however many universes unable to give rise to them exist or are possible. Diluting our universe with trillions of others in no way diminishes the significance of its unique properties, which I see as revealing clues to the ‘Ultimate Reality’ that lies behind them.”

Human Consciousness

The fact that we form theories for the existence of the cosmos is remarkable. In a universe without purpose, such an ability would have to be nothing but the result of a mindless process. Does that seem reasonable to you?

The human brain has been described as “the most marvelous and mysterious object in the whole universe.” No amount of knowledge in the fields of physics and chemistry can in itself produce adequate explanations for the human capacity for abstract thought and our widespread search for purpose in life.

Either the human mind, with its quest for understanding, was put in place by a superior intelligence, or it arose randomly. Which of these two possibilities seems more reasonable to you?

Another Explanation?

Science, indeed, has told us much about how the cosmos, the world, and living organisms work. For some people, the more science tells us, “the more improbable our existence seems.” Improbable, that is, if our being here were merely a product of evolution. However, to use the words of science writer John Horgan, “reality seems awfully designed and, in some ways, too good to be here through pure chance.” Physicist Freeman Dyson similarly commented: “The more I examine the universe and study the details of its architecture, the more evidence I find that the universe in some sense must have known that we were coming.”

In view of the evidence​—complexity in nature, fine-tuning, apparent design, and human consciousness—​would it not be logical at least to consider the possibility of the existence of a Creator? A very good reason for doing so is that a Creator should be able to tell us how life appeared and whether life has a purpose​—questions that science is incapable of answering.

These questions are addressed by the writings called the Bible, or the Holy Scriptures, whose writers claimed to be inspired by the Creator. Why not consider what the Bible says on these matters?

a reply to: whereislogic

you are sweet
but you are completely missing the point my friend

the entire problem is that we have been imprisoned
on this earth "far away"
as slaves "in that fortress" - as the scroll says

THIS was the very reason that Christ volunteered to go to this earth
as the Isaiah chapter says

it says ,
"my anointed will go to there and assume that horrible idol [=our type body]"

blowing any idea out of the water ,
that God made this type body of us with its ugly skeleton
-- let alone 'her consciousness'

all of prophets state
that Adam made our type body
to keep us blind
so that he would rule

dozens of times it is described as "the work which his [=Adams] hands made"

your video , ofcourse ,
wants to make a case that "Darwinism is nonexisting" ,
in her desire to support the scroll

but she DOESNT KNOW WHAT THE SCROLL SAYS

God never created 'this body we now have'
but the mindblowing beautiful being THAT WE LOST

and he tells why we lost it
and how

and got imprisoned in this f*n ape
with a consciousness less as a peanut

a reply to: lonerpt

God never created 'this body we now have'

Genesis 2:7

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

TheRedneck

the fact that we live in this ugly skeleton
this Ugly Thing that is sh**ng and p**ing
must be the proof to you that God never made it

---- there goes your video
made by well intentioned souls
that try to defende the scroll
but never understood what our history was about

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: lonerpt

God never created 'this body we now have'

Genesis 2:7

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

TheRedneck

He made our original being , my friend
so gorgeous beings that would blow your mind away
just looking at them

not these ugly sacks with bones in them

they were - are - so incredibly beautiful
i had a vision years ago
a few of the females were standing in front of me
i had no courage to look at them
their cheekbones were so pretty ,
it would take me ages to study them [-cheekbones]
so very noble
and so , so pretty


and now please ,
look where we are
and He did nothing else - in all prophets -
as explaining how we came to fall in this wretched state ...

a reply to: lonerpt

They ate... they drank... therefore they excreted waste.

I don't know where you're getting all this, but it is not correct, not of the scriptures, and not of God's word.

It's not even on topic. I came into this thread to discuss a scientific theory. It's been hijacked into some sort of religious discussion.

TheRedneck

... i had to call it 'cheekbones'
for lack of words
just to indicate the region below the eyes

but with no connotation to 'a skeleton'

they dont have that

they , the females , were so incredible pretty
all different but all the same beautiful
ones with long blonde locks
ones with brown long locks
so incredible beautiful
that i as male trembled before them

really the creations of a masterhand

and He adores them so , so deeply

quite different from 'the flesh [-of us]' as the ugly thing

and these goddesses
- i think that is a proper term -
will walk into you
and be your inside

one sweet well of lovely feelings
that YOU will feel
forget about this earthly 's*x'
its too pathetic for words

expressed also by her voice as a thousand of lil bells

making everything she looks at come to life

[talking about consciousness ..]

and all this we LOST
and i m unconsolable

i deeply adore His females

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: lonerpt

They ate... they drank... therefore they excreted waste.

I don't know where you're getting all this, but it is not correct, not of the scriptures, and not of God's word.

It's not even on topic. I came into this thread to discuss a scientific theory. It's been hijacked into some sort of religious discussion.

TheRedneck

that hurts me .
you want to turn it into a """"scientific"""" discussion
[please note the """"]
without understanding what you say .

you are killing us
with your reasons that you never understood .