Berenson - The proof is in the 270 million Covid jabs sitting unused in American freezers

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Respectfully,

I have no arguments about the fact that many scientists and medical professionals are motivated by a genuine desire to care for the human community.

But most of them aren't self-employed... and most employment is corporate at best, or academic at worst...

Corporate reports to a board of profit-takers... profit means marketing - therein begin the lies...
Academic reports to the cabal of elites... elites means 'elite-think' - therein begin the lies...

Just sayin'

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Is that total for all...each and every "jab" from more than sev companies of jabs?

There is no 1 "jab". Kinda generalizing, no?

Thnx:

originally posted by: Maxmars
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Respectfully,

I have no arguments about the fact that many scientists and medical professionals are motivated by a genuine desire to care for the human community.

But most of them aren't self-employed... and most employment is corporate at best, or academic at worst...

Corporate reports to a board of profit-takers... profit means marketing - therein begin the lies...
Academic reports to the cabal of elites... elites means 'elite-think' - therein begin the lies...

Just sayin'

I think that maybe you've been watching too many made for TV movies.

In the real world things are seldom that dramatic. Unless you're in sales or marketing you rarely get put under that kind of pressure either in industry or academia. Most of the people around you are nerds, most of the people above you are nerds. The "elite" tend to be a few old white men who come round once or twice a year, shake your hand, listen to you telling them something that goes right over their head, then they move on to the next guy in a lab coat, or the next department. They rarely get involved in anything.

Most people in academia and industry also know that their reputation is everything, and that the absolute worst thing that you can do, is to falsify data. That's suicide.

If somebody is harmed, or even killed, and your data sound then you can eventually pick up the pieces. If you're found to have faked your data, then you're going to spend the rest of your life as a high school chemistry teacher because no lab will touch you.

We're also not just talking scientists here. With something like covid dozens of state and federal agencies are involved. Everybody from the top brass and the CDC to the clerk at the local coroner's office. The data comes through so many people, and from so many people that anybody looking to fake it would need to fake almost everything from almost everywhere to make sure that all of the faked data matched.

a reply to: Maxmars

Corporate reports to a board of profit-takers... profit means marketing - therein begin the lies...

For every scientist or academic who handles data regarding covid, the vax, or people involved with any part of the pandemic, there will be several people below them who gather the data that they use, and several people above them who read the data. There will also be ancillary people such as secretaries, lab assistants, interns, grad students, who process the data in some way.

That's millions of people world wide who would have access to the data before it was faked, who would have a chance of seeing that something had been changed.

If there were a conspiracy I'd expect to see some of these people blowing the whistle, because it's hard to consistently fake data when other people are watching.

For example, if I were to try to cover up unusual deaths among AIDS patients in my region caused by the vax, and I were to write a report saying that nothing untoward was happening, literally anybody from researchers to secretaries who had handled the data before me could read that report and see that something was wrong, and blow the whistle on me.

They could take my report and compare it to their own local data and see that I hadn't included cases that they had raised.

So, you'd not only need to bribe or threaten me, you'd need to bribe or threaten them, and also the people that they got the data from. In just one state that could be a couple of thousand people just for one report.

You can tell how truthful a thread is by seeing how many times zomby tries to de rail it.

a reply to: AaarghZombies


I dont think people should trust your word about it.


study

a reply to: Kenzo

Most of which doesn't even come close to what you're suggesting is going on, and which demonstrates that people are willing to talk about what they see going on.

a reply to: AaarghZombies


What i was suggesting ??? I only writed 1 short reply to this thread , and i only talked about you.

originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: AaarghZombies


What i was suggesting ??? I only writed 1 short reply to this thread , and i only talked about you.

Plus all of the other threads you've commented on.

originally posted by: Hiram33

Natural yes .... Natural medicine goes back thousands of years the wisdom and systems that have put it together and perfected it over time trough experience ... Yet it is seen as alternative medicine ... Modern medicine (if it can be called that ) is an infant by comparison.. at any point was there a study by the establishment into any treatments nature can provide ? No it was suppressed and any voices were discredit and silenced

OK...

originally posted by: Hiram33
a reply to: Xtrozero
Natural yes .... Natural medicine goes back thousands of years the wisdom and systems that have put it together and perfected it over time trough experience ... Yet it is seen as alternative medicine ... Modern medicine (if it can be called that ) is an infant by comparison.. at any point was there a study by the establishment into any treatments nature can provide ? No it was suppressed and any voices were discredit and silenced

A lot of this is based on what is known as the Doctrine of signatures Link. I suggest that you research it a little.

originally posted by: MaxxAction
a reply to: Hiram33

Almost every paper you can find about the efficacy of natural compounds will hint at, or outright state that more money needs to be available for research into such things. If big pharma can't patent it, they aren't interested.

That's not entirely true.

While there are natural substances that can't be patented you can patent the mechanism for extracting or synthesising the active ingredients. Which is effectively the same thing.

It's why there was a rush into the Amazon to discover whether any of the rare plants or animals there had useful properties. You can't own the plant or animal secretion, but you can own the industrial processes needed to make use of them.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

I think that maybe you've been watching too many made for TV movies.

Perhaps we each need to reimagine our imagery to satisfy the other. You apparently evoke a world where scientists strut around their institutions forcing nobility of purpose and purity of intent on the world around them. Perhaps this might include scientists engaging in high-minded deliberations about the 'use' to which their efforts are put - where the scientists' morality is always a factor in for those who might seek to exploit their discoveries and inventions.

In the real world things are seldom that dramatic.

If the "real world" in which you live in isn't often dramatic, you may want to consider expanding your vision because people are mostly living elsewhere.

Perhaps, in your world the 'scientific' committee rules over all things 'technology and science.' I'm not here to rattle your cage, but I feel quite comfortable discussing scientists and academics; I have worked closely with them during most of my careers. You needn't be a scientist or an academic to discuss scientists and academics, although clearly among some scientists and academics the consensus speaks to the contrary.

Unless you're in sales or marketing you rarely get put under that kind of pressure either in industry or academia.

I know quite a few scientists and academics who would disagree... quite a few.

Most of the people around you are nerds, most of the people above you are nerds.

That is a matter of opinion, how you characterize 'nerds' is your own decision, just because you characterize it that way, doesn't make it a consensus of reality.

The "elite" tend to be a few old white men who come round once or twice a year, shake your hand, listen to you telling them something that goes right over their head, then they move on to the next guy in a lab coat, or the next department. They rarely get involved in anything.

I can't tell you how that image is so popular it defies reason; but I also can't argue that it may be how it appears in your world, in which I don't live. In my world, those you refer to as "old 'white' men" aren't harmless reputation-driven people; they are actually self-serving revenue-fixated tribal people who do not concerns themselves lesser (read uneducated) people and their travails.

I suspect data manipulation - to the point of falsification - in every single field of science known to man. The impetus can be the reputation of, or within, scientific consensus, the vector or magnitude of a revenue stream, or magnitude and less often the actual immediate human condition.

Most people in academia and industry also know that their reputation is everything, and that the absolute worst thing that you can do, is to falsify data. That's suicide.

I disagree, the worst thing you can do is get caught. Bias is often embedded in the scientist. But that is human factor, and not particular to their field of study or career.

If somebody is harmed, or even killed, and your data sound then you can eventually pick up the pieces. If you're found to have faked your data, then you're going to spend the rest of your life as a high school chemistry teacher because no lab will touch you.

But your life won't be ending as a criminal conspirator, will it? I'm not arguing it should; but it is important that we recognize that a scientist who dabbles changing P values, backing in statistical data to fit the model, or allowing a "more reputable" scientist to bully him or her into discarding an observation in deference to an existing consensus does exist.

We're also not just talking scientists here. With something like covid dozens of state and federal agencies are involved. Everybody from the top brass and the CDC to the clerk at the local coroner's office. The data comes through so many people, and from so many people that anybody looking to fake it would need to fake almost everything from almost everywhere to make sure that all of the faked data matched.

I find that fallacious. The more people embrace false or erroneous data, the more 'true' that data becomes?

Maybe I am guilty of oversimplification. But profit-taking objectives and academic hubris and social dysfunction are actually very real. They are a perennial irritant which engenders distrust - unless you overlook it, as if the world actually was a 1950's TV plot where a scientist has only two options... black-hatted abject villainy or white-hatted world-saving nobility.

originally posted by: Hiram33
a reply to: Justoneman
It's not just pharma products... The food production too .. the GMO the glyphosates and who knows what else.... The air you breathe the water you drink...the emf all around you. The woke policies and so much more... It is anti life anti human....
There should be no faith in the system .. when has the system done anything to show they are for the people... the sound of crickets chirping

I can tell you the Air we breath is in good shape now if we live in Western society. The Enviro wacko's who over do it are on this and water pollution like white on bleached rice. I am looking at the data every Mon- Friday and some weekends....


Water is a place we need to concentrate our efforts on what is safe or not. We could do better here for sure. If we would get the water by desalinating ocean water we could also extract the salts we need for making a better battery than the NiCd we are using now. Most of the water systems but that one in Michigan last year are producing drinkable water. We do know that we have antibiotics which our neighbors flush down the toilet that stays in our drinking water in trace amounts.

There is a reason to chlorinate but not fluorinate. We need to filter water we drink anyway no matter where it comes from unless it is a cool mountain stream. May need to filter mtn water for the birds and fish do there business in there too.

originally posted by: musicismagic

originally posted by: sarahvital

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: sarahvital

No it is happening, at least that's what my relatives in China are telling me.

The CCP is devious and ruthless. They get revenge on anyone.

interesting. who are they taking. the protests doesn't seem to be centrally organized with clear leaders. i'll check again with my sources soon.

ok, i'll concede the point.

And the stupid American politicians thinks its cute to be upity dupity with the chinese . Stupid. Chinese Spider Web Trap is for real, even for the Chinese.

I am sure the stupid ones are doing exactly what their Chinese handlers are asking them to do. They get paid good money to sell out this nation.

originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: AaarghZombies


I dont think people should trust your word about it.


study

Thank you.
We have a hard time believing too much that one posts. That is all on AZ. The pattern of several posters like him make me think are they AI? It looks like group think a lot of the time from these people posting BS on ATS.

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: AaarghZombies


I dont think people should trust your word about it.


study

Thank you.
We have a hard time believing too much that one posts. That is all on AZ. The pattern of several posters like him make me think are they AI? It looks like group think a lot of the time from these people posting BS on ATS.



More like A without the I.

The whole purpose is to derail threads by posting walls of nonsensical text.

originally posted by: Hiram33
a reply to: Justoneman
It's not just pharma products... The food production too .. the GMO the glyphosates and who knows what else.... The air you breathe the water you drink...the emf all around you. The woke policies and so much more... It is anti life anti human....
There should be no faith in the system .. when has the system done anything to show they are for the people... the sound of crickets
chirping

People seem to be missing that this MRNA is now getting injected into animal herds in Australia and New Zealand with many animals dropping dead instantly and if they think this is not getting into the food supply with milk products and into crops like what Wild Bill Gates is planning with all the farmland he is snapping up or maybe a 60 odd year old unfit guy just had a change of heart and decided to buy a farming empire for the lolz .

Then I got a bridge and some land in Florida to sell

To those saying the shots don't work I must disagree.

I've noticed over the past year that traffic congestion in my area is not as bad as before the shots.

So while they may not be treating or preventing chest and sinus congestion, they are doing wonders with regards to traffic congestion.

originally posted by: SeriouslyDeep
Its far from over, can you trust a health professional ever again?

My doc strongly advised against being injected with an untested gene therapy experiment.

I can trust mine. Everyone else has something to weigh theirs against.