Everything Points to the Solar Micronova

a reply to: M5xaz

Your question is very good ... how did the dinosaurs do it?

I would say probably an equatorial single continent of Pangea could have helped, as there is no land at the poles to accumulate ice, to contribute to a crustal shift.

Also, not all dinosaurs would need to survive every 12,000 +/- years, but just enough to repopulate the continent. Our fossil record has plenty of enough gaps that we cannot make assumptions about all dinosaur species....

a reply to: Cide

You would probably be better off with a DNA computer ... not an electrical one ... for storing information that you will need after the 'event'.

That could be done.

a reply to: Phage

The ripples spiral from the center, and the wavelength is only marginally related from the distance between our location in the galactic plane, and the center.

It is a wave function, but the wave is warped and compresses too as it ripples outwards towards the galactic rim.

There are more dimensions to consider than just two

a reply to: Fowlerstoad

You said the "ripples" travel at near the speed of light. If they travel that fast they would take more than 26,000 years to reach the Solar System, not 12,000.

I suppose you have actual evidence of these ripples? Or, is it like Ben's evidence, made up?

a reply to: Justoneman

Its not a half mile high.

Its legit like the entire ocean going over you. Take the pacific ocean, then have it keep going east until it goes over the andes mountains that are it its way. And you better expect sloshback.

You know in that movie 2012 where the wave is cresting the Himilayain mountains? Yeah like that. “Whats 5 miles above sea level” mount everest.

Look at north america and see the coal deposits from plant life carried from one side of the USA to be dumped in the other side before the water loses its strength. Coal on the west, coal on the east. Dumped in mountainous regions.

Look at australias coal deposits. Its mainly on the east of australia in the mountainous areas. Its dumped there by the indian ocean sweeping from west australia eastwards. When the wave comes the other way the time after, all the plant life mainly gets dumped out to sea on the west coast, which is why off shore there is a lot of natural gas and oil rigs off Western Australia.

Use google earth to see australia from top down. Its the same big water patterns that you see in Africa.

The oceans drop 140 meters or so, flashed by the sun, all that moisture in the atmosphere, starts to rain for days and days, then snow, huge snow dumps because the Sun has lost its huge light pump, the dusty shell, and is now just giving off UV radiation and hardly any light.

The Sun is basically a big capacitor. Capacitors fill up, and discharge. It discharges every 12068 years.

I know I'm not the op, but, to answer your question, Yes he can provide an exceptional, just mind blowing amount of well researched scientific data of this cataclysm being cyclic. I have been following Ben "Suspicious Observers" for about 2 years. He's smart, very well educated. This guys is loaded with information and has so much knowledge. You will not be disappointed. Go check out his channel.

a reply to: DAVID64

originally posted by: charlyv
What about the black mat evidence, where carbon spherules, nano-diamonds and iridium are found at that approximate 12,000 year boundary in certain parts of the Earth. These are impact proxies, but could a terrible solar event like we are talking about here also produce those proxies?

I was under the impression that the YD era event was tied to a comet or asteroid, or even more than 1.

[and nice to see you back on here, Phage!]

There's actually no hard evidence for a cosmic event at those times.

Seriously. The "black mat" evidence shows that these formed over a period of about a thousand years; not all at the same time. The "nanodiamonds/carbon spherules" are mislabeled/re-labeled known objects and aren't associated with impacts.

The "comets and Younger Dryas" hypothesis doesn't have a whole lot of support because of many problems with it (one that I have is that it's so species specific. It kills off animals of a certain size in one area (short faced bear) while leaving other animals of the same size and group that shared its range alive (grizzly bear).

If there was a catastrophic event, then it would affect the entire ecosystem and any creature with similar food needs (buffalo and antelopes and deer for instance) should all show massive losses (no grass and all the grass eaters starve to death -- not just the North American camel.) In a catastrophe you get small animals dying off just like the larger ones. We don't see this in the Younger Dryas event.

originally posted by: DaRAGE
a reply to: Justoneman

Its not a half mile high.

Its legit like the entire ocean going over you. Take the pacific ocean, then have it keep going east until it goes over the andes mountains that are it its way. And you better expect sloshback.

Under Earth's gravity, there's a limit to how high a wave gets. This is true on any planet - the height of anything depends on the planet's gravity.

You know in that movie 2012 where the wave is cresting the Himilayain mountains? Yeah like that. “Whats 5 miles above sea level” mount everest.

Ah, Hollywood disaster flicks. Like... Sharknado.

Disaster flicks are so notoriously over the top that scientists have demanded disclaimers be put on some of the films.

Look at north america and see the coal deposits from plant life carried from one side of the USA to be dumped in the other side before the water loses its strength. Coal on the west, coal on the east. Dumped in mountainous regions.

The coal formed when the area was swampy... and THEN the mountains were lifted up by one continental plate crashing into another.

The oceans drop 140 meters or so, flashed by the sun, all that moisture in the atmosphere, starts to rain for days and days, then snow, huge snow dumps because the Sun has lost its huge light pump, the dusty shell, and is now just giving off UV radiation and hardly any light.

The site that promoted that information (wherever you got it from) is really wrong.

The Sun is basically a big capacitor. Capacitors fill up, and discharge. It discharges every 12068 years.

No, seriously, it doesn't.

originally posted by: hunterTheory
I know I'm not the op, but, to answer your question, Yes he can provide an exceptional, just mind blowing amount of well researched scientific data of this cataclysm being cyclic. I have been following Ben "Suspicious Observers" for about 2 years. He's smart, very well educated. This guys is loaded with information and has so much knowledge. You will not be disappointed. Go check out his channel.

a reply to: DAVID64

He can?

I really doubt that. Google for "cataclysm" and 64,000 years or 84,000 years (or any multiple of 12.) There's no Great Extinction pattern there or even a Lesser Extinction pattern.

a reply to: Byrd

Google won't be our friend on the truth of this subject. There has been too many years of people at the top of the information chain being invested in a different narrative. Besides, the implications are doom and gloom. I am not in to that part of this one bit. I have been saying things are in huge cycles over the years here on ATS. That is the part that makes the most sense to focus. Getting all doom and gloom want help if it is going to happen.

a reply to: DaRAGE

If that type of destruction happened every measly 12 k years how the fck are we here? 12k years is nothing in mankind's history. Even the elite of the world with all their money and technology would have a major issue surviving this let alone less advanced civilizations.

Going underground caverns/caves would do no good you would be flooded not to mention the richter scale 10 earthquakes this would cause, mountains tops would be flooded every human on the surface would drown and if by some chance a few did survive its very unlikely it would be enough to continue the existence of our species. Lets say we go with the mainstream idea that modern humans have been around 200k years. This means we would have had to survive this event 16 damn times!!!!!!!!

So do tell me how did less advance civilizations survive this or are you going to claim they had the tech to be off planet and in orbit? HOW DOES MAN KIND SURVIVE THIS TYPE OF DESTRUCTION OVER AND OVER AGAIN?

a reply to: Justoneman

I have been saying things are in huge cycles over the years here on ATS.

Still nothing from Ben? Nothing on that 12,000 year cycle in the zodiac? His "links" are nothing but a gish gallop?

When you believe in things that you don't understand then you suffer.
Superstition ain't the way.

originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: Byrd

Google won't be our friend on the truth of this subject.

And yet, I would bet money that you found this video and so forth by using a search engine. You didn't just hit "random video" on your computer browser and stumble across it.

I have been saying things are in huge cycles over the years here on ATS. That is the part that makes the most sense to focus.

The thing is, anyone can say "cycles" - but if you do, then you can't back down or wave at something else when we say "prove it, please." For instance, we say the moon has cycles as it orbits the Earth. If asked for proof, we show that the Moon's orbit is regular around the Earth (even as it slowly moves away from Earth) and that the light from the sun hits it in a predictable pattern. If you ask for proof on the 13 year cicada, we can show documents that detail every 13 years these things emerge. We can show dead specimens (which will genetically show it's the correct animal) and we can look at populations of animals that feed on these bugs and see confirmation.

You're taking the word of "a guy with a video that you like"... and then when I ask you for proof you respond that "google won't help" and "everyone hides information", etc - in spite of the fact that if this existed the evidence would be pretty easy to find for everyone.

So, where's the evidence for the cycle's impact if we look beyond 24,000 years ago? I'm going to pick three dates and would like for you to explain what happened in those years that matches the declarations you're making about these cycles: 264,000 years ago (that's 12 times 22), and 168,000 years ago and 60,000 years ago

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: DaRAGE
a reply to: Byrd

He's not talking about going around in a circle. He's talking about the 12,960 years it takes for the sun to go from being at the middle of the galactic plane to wherer we bottom out and then back to the middle again, which then takes another 12,960 years to go from the middle of the galactic plane, to the top part we go and then back to the middle.

That time period is 60 million years

Not 12,000. So 30 million years for half a bob.

Seriously, just check the facts he's presenting. Google for "how long does it take the solar system to bob up and down through the galaxy" or something similar.

You'll see how wrong he is... not just from that one site but from many other unrelated ones (that one's from a magazine for hobbyists.)

I dont think that the founder of the diehold foundation has ever mentioned that in his lectures. That was my own guess at a possible cause every 12000 or so years, not his.

a reply to: kerunc1974

Its in the stories from different parts of the world.

Some Indian stories say that a freaking alien lead them into a cave that went underground and told them to stay there underground until the tree above started whose roots they could see, started doing something.

The sumerians had a thing about enki telling them when they see the people who created them leaving in their rockets into space, then they were to go to the mountains.

In China there was a story about how dragon eggs were falling from the sky whilst they took shelter in a cave, also the atmosphere compressed down and they were only able to breathe by putting their heads to the ground.

Another south American story about how a man and a woman went into a cave underground and they were the only survivors and they repopulated the earth.

There are tons of man made caves popping up being dated at 12k years ago.

Then theres the noahs ark story.

The ocean drops like 140 meters overnight. Over the next 1100 years or so it regains about 60 or so meters.

North America had an ice cap 4 miles thick. The amount of snow to get than astronomical.

The amount of energy to evaporate the ocean 140 meters is astronomical.

The sun Novas, the ocean evaporates a ton of water, the poles flip, the earth slows down and rotates the opposite direction, the ocean goes over the land, the dust shell hits one side of the earth and blows off some atmosphere at the back, you get an instant ice age at the back of the earth as the air rushes around to the front to fill in the low pressure zone created by the dust shell pushing the atmosphere the to back to the earth.

The sun goes darker for a period. It rains a ton. Hot rain at the start, then it snows and snows and snows.

a reply to: DaRAGE

The sumerians had a thing about enki telling them when they see the people who created them leaving in their rockets into space, then they were to go to the mountains.

Your source for this claim would seem to be mashup of Zecharia Sitchin's garbage. If that's the quality of the rest of your sources they can't really be taken seriously but you might at least post them.

the earth slows down and rotates the opposite direction

What? Why?

a reply to: Phage

Because that's what happens when the magnetic poles flip. Like an electric engine, rotation goes the other way.

Also I get my information from a lot of different sources.

Whether it is that Ben guy (eyes open, no fear lol), or the founder of the diehold foundation (Doug) , or Randall Carson, Graham Hancock, and other scientists/archeologists/geologists world wide, etc.

a reply to: DaRAGE

Because that's what happens when the magnetic poles flip. Like an electric engine, rotation goes the other way.

That makes no sense. Earth's rotation is due to angular momentum. It is not an electric engine. But are you claiming that the Earth's rotation has stopped and reversed with every geomagnetic reversal? While those reversals do happen there is no indication that the Earth's rotation reverses when they do. Nor is there any indication that they occur every 12,000 years.

Or are you talking about the Sun's magnetic field? That reverses every 11 years or so.

You forgot Sitchin. Yeah, Doug. Good stuff.

He also discovered that the exact number of years between geomagnetic reversals were embedded, as code in the surface story of the Torah. The second discovery was that the Hebrew alphabet and the Torah is the product of a very highly advanced previous civilization that had the same information theory of existence as the one we are developing, the Theory of Multidimensional Reality. 

dieholdfoundation.com...

Hang on... you're changing the story...

You said....

originally posted by: DaRAGE
He's not talking about going around in a circle. He's talking about the 12,960 years it takes for the sun to go from being at the middle of the galactic plane to wherer we bottom out and then back to the middle again, which then takes another 12,960 years to go from the middle of the galactic plane, to the top part we go and then back to the middle.

And I said that was wrong. That it was 60 million (30 million years for half a bob) and linked to the data that proved it.

And then you responded with...

I dont think that the founder of the diehold foundation has ever mentioned that in his lectures. That was my own guess at a possible cause every 12000 or so years, not his.

This contradicts your first statement where you specifically say he gives this as a cause.

And I say he's wrong and the facts show he's wrong (and if you decided to actually do the measurements yourself you'd find out that he was wrong)

originally posted by: DaRAGE
a reply to: kerunc1974

Its in the stories from different parts of the world.

Some Indian stories say that a freaking alien lead them into a cave that went underground and told them to stay there underground until the tree above started whose roots they could see, started doing something.

No stories from India match this.

The sumerians had a thing about enki telling them when they see the people who created them leaving in their rockets into space, then they were to go to the mountains.

And that's just plain fabricated. No such Sumerian story (as you can see if you check the Sumerian corpus of texts)

In China there was a story about how dragon eggs were falling from the sky whilst they took shelter in a cave, also the atmosphere compressed down and they were only able to breathe by putting their heads to the ground.

Is there a link to this story? I'm pretty sure it's false (or that a true tale has been reworked to suit another narrative)

There are tons of man made caves popping up being dated at 12k years ago.

Any link to these created caves and their locations? "Tons" implies that there should be manmade shelters in many locations and that they are fairly well known.

Then theres the noahs ark story.

The ocean drops like 140 meters overnight. Over the next 1100 years or so it regains about 60 or so meters.

North America had an ice cap 4 miles thick. The amount of snow to get than astronomical.

Two miles thick, and that was the most extreme point The whole slab was not a consistent 2 miles thick. So it's "half astronomical" or even "one third of astronomical"... and some of that ice is still there today.

The amount of energy to evaporate the ocean 140 meters is astronomical.

Over a short time period, yes.

The sun Novas

Our sun won't go nova. It doesn't have a dwarf companion star, so it can't go nova It will turn into a red giant, however.

the ocean evaporates a ton of water, the poles flip, the earth slows down and rotates the opposite direction, the ocean goes over the land, the dust shell hits one side of the earth and blows off some atmosphere at the back, you get an instant ice age at the back of the earth as the air rushes around to the front to fill in the low pressure zone created by the dust shell pushing the atmosphere the to back to the earth.

That's not correct. IF our sun went nova, it would destroy the entire solar system. When it becomes a red giant, the inner part of the solar system will be swallowed up by the star's expansion. But the sun doesn't turn into a red giant for a few microseconds and then return to its normal state.

The sun goes darker for a period. It rains a ton. Hot rain at the start, then it snows and snows and snows.

I think you need to do a bit more reading on astronomy, novas, and the life cycle of our sun.