There is something seriously wrong with Canada

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: tanstaafl

When palliative care is an option, great. As it becomes less effective in the latter stages of some conditions, the individual going through the agony is in the best position to decide if they can bear it or just wants it to stop. I expect in most situations the family can make a unified decision in how to proceed.

For the situations where such an agreement cannot be made, this policy position appears reasonable.

Granting the State such power is a slippery slope that ends precisely where the State wants it to end.

Is starts off all warm-n-fuzzy, voluntary, etc, and ends with an iron fist forcing, in this case, euthanasia on a child, and this kind of power would eventually totally preclude the parents - and yes, even the child, from having a say.

THAT, my friend, is why these kinds of laws are bad, wrong, immoral, and blatantly UnConstitutional.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Have you ever worked in a hospice setting, looked after one who is on a slow and tortuous exit? It is a bad situation to be in. Been with someone when they are on 1g of morphine a day and still moaning in pain?

The medical system is pretty good in predicting how these events go, has a lot of experience with it.

What comes across a communist is one forcing their will on another.

It would be nice if these situations did not arise. The reality is these events do.

a reply to: kwakakev

I think I made it clear in my OP that my issue is with kids. Are there kids that experience the circumstances you explain, certainly. I don't think there's anyone that can put a statistic on that number but I hope it's low, I seriously hope it's a low number.

If we get past that point, I don't think a 15 year old should be able to make the decision to end their life without parental intervention.

I can't believe this is on page 3. There must be enough people that agree to this to make it past page 1.

a reply to: litterbaux

By the age of 14 I was making lots of decisions that affected my life. Was not legally able to vote, drink or smoke but still had a lot of autonomy in the choices I did make back then. I knew what life and death was about, made sure to look both ways before crossing the road.

I know what it is like to be such pain where I wish I dead. Thankfully it was only temporary and not a terminal condition. Back then I would of fought hard to survive if in such a situation, but as the reality sets in that there is no where else to go except further down hill, I would appreciate having the option to avoid getting dragged through a physical hell.

a reply to: kwakakev

Then in Canada there are the kids who are just depressed. Now they can decide they want to die because they are depressed.

a reply to: kwakakev

You probably also made some choices you ended up regretting later on and changed your mind too because you realized they were immature.

a reply to: ketsuko

Then in Canada there are the kids who are just depressed. Now they can decide they want to die because they are depressed.

On am not on board with depression as a reason for euthanasia, these things can and do change over time. Here it does require a diagnosis of a terminal condition before such an option is explored.

I've already got my DNR (Do Not Resucitate) orders on the back of my door....

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: ketsuko

Then in Canada there are the kids who are just depressed. Now they can decide they want to die because they are depressed.

On am not on board with depression as a reason for euthanasia, these things can and do change over time. Here it does require a diagnosis of a terminal condition before such an option is explored.

except we know that is not where it will end up.. and it only has to become acceptable in one western state to off kids with depression for it to be argued everywhere.. this is where progressive liberalism ended up in the 1930s from sterilising the vulnerable, arguing they should have the same right as everyone else and finally arguing they should be terminated..

we see where that ended last time one nation took that thinking to its natural conclusion..

UK progressives pushed for euthanasia in 34 the US in 38 the nazis signed it into law in 39..

we risk following that same path it was only through luck that it wasn't an allied country starting the process of cleansing itself of the burden of the terminally or mentally ill.. with so many crisis incoming how long will it be before some western countries start eyeing up the cost of mental health treatment vs the savings made by euthanasia..

a reply to: kwakakev

But that is where it has gone in Canada. I posted the video on Aktion T4 for a reason, and it wasn't just to make the Nazi comparison. These policies we are seeing are NOT new, and they weren't confined to Germany back then. The Germans just took it farthest, and here we see Canada reaching that level.


Those who don't learn their history are doomed to repeat it. It seems we have forgotten some evil, evil lessons.

a reply to: ketsuko

thats been my thinking for a long while the nazi laws came at the tail end as the one to get the laws on sterilisation and euthanasia implemented first but the rich and middle classes in many other countries tried to do the same, while some continued with parts of it in the 1960s like the sterilisation program in sweden.. for Canada the killing of indegenous kids goes up to 1971, the uk deported its own kids to be abused and used as slave labour until the 70s

it feels like progressives liberals think they are different ignoring thrir own recent past.

i was always surprised how gleeful some sounded about taking truckers kids into a care system that stands guilty of killing kids in its care..

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: tanstaafl

Have you ever worked in a hospice setting, looked after one who is on a slow and tortuous exit? It is a bad situation to be in. Been with someone when they are on 1g of morphine a day and still moaning in pain?

No, thankfully, but fail to see the point. We're talking about minors. Children. With parents/family.

The medical system is pretty good in predicting how these events go, has a lot of experience with it.

Yeah, and they're also pretty good at pushing people down a path to death, as we saw during Covid. The vast majority of people who died from Covid were MURDERED by the ridiculous protocols that were established by your precious medical mafia.

a reply to: tanstaafl

I do agree that there is a bad sickness moving through the medical system these days. The medical boards have been captured by lawyers pushing the globalist culling agenda. I ain't going to paint everyone in the medical industry with the same brush, I would of died a long time ago without it.

a reply to: tanstaafl

No, thankfully, but fail to see the point.

Ok. I will have go at trying to explain it. Have had a few drinks...

When someone is in this situation it is in a hospital setting or at least has close, regular medical assistance nearby. There are lots of eyes and lots of views about what to do.

I have killed lots of things in this life, plants, bugs, fish, animals. I have not killed a human, but taken on the responsibility if required. I know killing sucks, but can suck bigger if not nipped in the bud.

If I was the person tasked with giving the hot shot, I would want to look that person in the eye and make sure this is the right thing to do.

a reply to: litterbaux

You are right. That document is completely horrifying. Dr. Kevorkian reaches from the grave.

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: tanstaafl

If I was the person tasked with giving the hot shot, I would want to look that person in the eye and make sure this is the right thing to do.

Of course. It would be an extraordinarily difficult thing to do, and if that person was an adult, so be it.

But if that person was a child, they are simply incapable of making rational decisions like this on their own. Sorry. That is just basic human fact. Their parents - or legal guardian(s) would be the ones to make such a decision.

a reply to: ketsuko


Ahem.....it's time for America to do regime change in Canukistan...


You have now that B-21 stealth bomber, use it .

Being a Canadian, With "Severe Illness", I am all for the changes happening next year in March which allows for some flexibility in the Right to Die.

Anyone here complaining or worried about it has not prepared for their own Death.
I suggest you do the work necessary to come to terms with your own End. I don't want to spend my final moments suffering or gasping for Breath.

a reply to: 47Cide

Presumably, you're an adult.

We're talking about parents offing their own kids or the government telling depressed people they ought to die. This is where Canada has gone after the compassion of letting you decide.

a reply to: 47Cide

Should 14 year olds drive? Drink alcohol and smoke cigarettes? Serve the military? Vote?

If they are considered old enough to end their life, seems like they have the mental capacity to make these decisions as well.