Trucking World Endorses Toyota’s Hydrogen-Powered Fuel Cells

a reply to: TDDAgain

Lol, I see now

a reply to: mikell

Dihydrogen-Monoxid. Horrible stuff.

a reply to: Mandroid7

Toyota isn't Chinese; it's Japanese-owned. As Shell is British owned, if you look at the announcement, they seem to say we can support this infrastructure. I have a Shell just down the road, like I imagine most of us do; it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that they could make this work.

a reply to: Hypntick

Toyota is late to the game!

These types of announcements are not for the public or environmentalists but for investors of the company.

Two other trucking companies are already going EV (Tesla being one; UPS being the shipping company). The main hydrogen truck company is Nikola. They are looking at hydrogen distribution in addition to to a fuel cell source. As such, Nikola hauls around the H generator and can supply their semi and have enough for personal vehicles.

Generating hydrogen has to be “green” to be effective as an energy source. Solar/wind seems like a no brainer but then again you have transportation to worry about. The “hydrogen explodes” is troublesome but not a nail in the coffin. My worry is idiots trying to blow up H fuel tanks. And then it is Big Oil trying to dump “blue” hydrogen onto the market and keep FUD alive in the consumer.

Australia is already laying the groundwork for H distribution. They (CISRO) already have a H fuel cell membrane that has been been demonstrated in HFC vehicles a few years ago.

Oddly, water is a sticking point. If you can only use distilled water for HFC use then you are using more energy to extract H than other sources (EV).

The whole equation changes with nuclear fusion. And anybody, literally ke Toyota, for instance, jumping on the hydrogen bandwagon will survive.

Keep your eyes open and n graphene and fusion! These two things will be necessary for the hydrogen economy to become more than a dream of a couple futurists (or pure dreamers like me!)

It will happen! Just how it plays out remains to be determined!

a reply to: Hypntick

Volvo (one of the largest long-haul truck makers) did a study a few years ago and looked at how to charge battery powered trucks and cars while they are moving. You can do it with overhead lines (like streetcars) or, more elegantly, with inductive coils buried under the pavement surface. You have to have special charging lanes and you have to supply enough power to keep the vehicles moving at normal speeds AND supply an excess to charge the batteries. They figured out that it's entirely possible and not even very difficult. If battery powered cars and trucks have about a 250 mile range on batteries you only need about 1500 miles of charging lanes to supply the entire US, if the charging lanes are distributed correctly on major interstate highways across the country. The idea is that a tractor would pick up a trailer at a warehouse somewhere within about 100 miles of one of these charging lanes, take it out to the highway and periodically recharge itself as it goes across country and then deliver it to a destination that's within 100 miles of another charging lane. Electric cars are already being designed with inductive pickup coils underneath so that you don't have to actually make physical contact with a charger, and experimental charging lanes are already being tested.

So that's the way things are going. Soon, there will really be no need for Hydrogen or fossil fuel powered surface vehicles.

Ocean vessels and aircraft are a different story. High performance Hydrogen fuel cells are being developed that should allow at least short and medium haul aircraft to run on Hydrogen while long haul jet transports can be run on synthetic jet fuel. In my opinion, Hydrogen will have a role to play in transportation, but probably not cars and trucks, very much longer.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

I was invested in Nikola but exited when the founder proved to be a bit sketch. Luckily I made a very nice chunk. Hyliion is also interesting as they have a retrofit hybrid and a natural gas fuel cell they’re working on..

a reply to: TDDAgain


Yes it is.

a reply to: Hypntick

Gotta love the old “zero emissions” claim.
That one never goes out of style.

Hydrogen is sticky and likes to bond to other atoms like oxygen..aka water..
It takes a lot of carbon emission energy to separate the hydrogen and then a lot more to compress the hydrogen to 5 to 10 thousand psi.

Meh, it’s a usable fuel but not realistic as a replacement for gasoline.

a reply to: Hypntick

the U.S. Army and GM were / are just as far ahead as Toyota. wouldn't surprise if some if slo joe and company are pushing battery powered EV's and have stock in all companies or getting big bucks in kick backs, there are also passenger cars that sold in the u.S..

contract was issued back in 2016,



Chevrolet Colorado ZH2: first ride in hydrogen fuel-cell Army truck

the passenger cars that are car already here now,

Hydrogen Cars of 2022

to me Hydrogen is the ticket if their gonna push the green sh@@.

a reply to: Bluntone22

Doesn’t hurt to feel out the technology and have localized areas with infrastructure to test it out.

If we had our hand forced we build more nuclear to provide the energy, or we may figure out another energy source by then that is cheap and clean like fusion.

a reply to: Hypntick

If the goal is control, then you destroy easy and free movement among the people. That means you get rid of personal vehicles and my understanding of hydrogen was that it was the best alternative to gas that we had. It was supposed to be readily available, very eco-friendly, and it was supposed be workable with existing infrastructure with little modification.

That should have made it an attractive and obvious alternative ... so we went with EVs?

That's why I think the goal is more control than it ever was clean replacement for fossil fuels.

Even if we managed to invent a soluble you could just put it into our current gas-powered cars and be on with it.. They would off that inventor.

If the government and vehicle manufacturers were serious about green energy they should select a small to midsize town and make it a model and show proof of concept(s). If they worked and were cost-efficient the only blow back would be from big oil and gas.

check this bad boy out, pure mechanical horse power and zero emessions. old school with a new twist

a reply to: Hypntick

It's my understanding that the Greens, with the help of the Uniparty, will fight this tooth and nail. The reason they oppose hydrogen is that a big element of the Agenda is limiting range. It's all about control and limiting travel range, keeping people locked up in the Urban prisons.

That said, the Europeans and the UK are embracing hydrogen.

Lithium ain't adding up as a viable replacement of gasoline / diesel. There is a place for Lithium batteries, but as a one shot solution it falls short. As for the rest of the electric car, looks like there is some amazing torque getting generated if you can keep the charge up.

The compatibility with hydrogen and the combustion engine does look appealing with the current supply chain and technology. The risks do sound higher when things go wrong with car accidents as stuff, but the road toll is one thing we have accepted with the freedom of movement.

As the big ugly does result in a big shake up of global corporate power, there is an opportunity for a new age of enlightenment in the aftermath. As with the crypto market, there will be a big range of options, technologies and competing interests in the energy sector. Many will fail or find their own application. As for what emerges at the end of it for global transport infrastructure?

It is good to see Toyota in this race, expect many others are as well.

originally posted by: hangedman13
a reply to: Hypntick

They have been shelved due to the tendency to be explosive. I worked at a plant the built buses and we had a prototype being R&D there. The extra safety procedures were pretty crazy. Granted it was fifteen years ago, how ever after some of the issues I've seen about EV's I find it concerning. Car fires with an EV is a huge mess, water is not the solution. So what happens with a hydrogen cell is in a fire? Tunnel vision for zero emissions! Not like there could be unforeseen consequences.

The Hindenburg was full of hydrogen and it caught fire - it burnt rapidly, but it didn't explode.

Gasoline and oxygen can explode under the right conditions, too. Doesn't stop us from using it to fuel cars.

Many combustibles under the right conditions can explode (eg: flour and sawdust suspensions).

Trucking World Endorses Toyota’s Hydrogen-Powered Fuel Cells

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originally posted by: Mandroid7
Toyoto is Chinese owned just like Tesla.

- Tesla = American corporation, not owned by China.
- Toyota = Japanese corporation, not owned by China.

The use of hydrogen as a fuel is likely, but there is the need to address transport, storage and refuelling challenges.

originally posted by: lordcomac
a reply to: hangedman13

Plus the hydrogen fuel itself...
Only way I know how to make it is by breaking water apart - it's fun and easy but uses a lot of electricity. Far more than you can get back burning it off and converting back into water

Nothing against you lordcomac, but, thanks for the laugh.

One of the reasons that I believe that the whole Global Warming/ Climate Change thing is a hoax is because the largest "greenhouse gas" is water vapor.

Hydrogen has some issues, but, in my opinion it is one of the better options. The thing is if GW/CC was true, we would be defeating the purpose by using hydrogen.