'Judgement' is Evolution Working

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

I'm here to try out new ideas.
I'm sorry you picked a little detail I rethorically created to show off you didn't get what I was saying with 'correcting' something I created.
Of course do I tell you how I meant it.
How else could I react so it doesn't hurt your little feelings?
Which is messed up too since this was meant to be a discussion?

Lmao yes your incessant aggravating tone and relentless arrogance since the day you joined this forum is all my fault

Trust me kiddo you didn't hurt this ol cowboys feelings you think far too much of yourself if you believe you have

😅😅🤦‍♂️

a reply to: Peeple

So if you are on that function describing a graph, your derviation is reducing your current point in time, into a line, tangent to the curve. It's very common yet erroneous to try and fit every moment into a line. Lines being the limited 2D application of duality, to put things between the two poles.
once you adapt this as your new graph, you don't adapt and loose connection to the carrier wave, maybe?

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Quite a refreshing change to all the judgmental people pretending to be polite.

I am curious what you think of me?
Don't hold back.

If you want to give me an ass chewing, maybe you should pm me instead.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Quite a refreshing change to all the judgmental people pretending to be polite.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

I haven't spent much time thinking about you. From the top of my head...

A religious henchman, maybe?

a reply to: Terpene

Thinking a little further if you can find two derivatives that align you'd be able to move from point A on the carrier wave to point C without passing B.
The trick is dropping the derivative fuction at the right time otherwise your lost, or maybe not?

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

So calling me belligerent is not your feelz but the best reasoning you can do?
Wow

a reply to: Peeple

A pyramid? We live in the age of information, understanding evolution as a function of information exchange is the next paradigm shift.
A pyramid is not ideal, there is an uneven information exchange between the points. If you look for a solid to represent, take the first platonic one, namely the tetrahedron.

There is no up and down without the observers limited horizon.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

So calling me belligerent is not your feelz but the best reasoning you can do?
Wow

I mean we could add your post history of going after damn near anyone that replies to you?

I made the simple point that the number you referenced was just from a sci-fi novel and you got hostile 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Because I am aware of that I used it as stylistic device to get a point across.
Maybe I'd be less hostile if you could tell the actual argument from the rethoric I use to illustrate it.

a reply to: Peeple

...on the metaphysical level.
What we humans are, our personality, our intelligence, our operation system, is abstract.
I would hope we all can agree on that?
I am is 1. derivative of what our senses perceive + an ongoing story we call 'My Life'.

Not to be pedantic...

Am is 1. "am" is derivative of "it is" in the sense that existence is true and evident. "I" is 2, or the distinction between this bit of "it is" and that bit of "it is" aka me and not me. 2 is derivative of 1 in the sense that there is two 1's which are adjacent but not synonymous and cumulatively inform the individual.

The iffy part is we together form one hyper-individual embedded in our biosphere.

Please define the term hyper in this context.

Having a hard time imagining how judgement and evolution can coexist.

The purpose of God's judgement is to homogenize.
Chastise the wicked and purify humanity so that it can attain it's ultimate goal.

Evolution has no goal.

Perfection only makes sense in a system where the conditions don't change.

Take the story of the Fall of Man for example.

“For God knows that on the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, that is you will have greater awareness, and you will be like God, knowing the difference between good and evil.” (Genesis 3:5)

That's a major step in human evolution. But with evolution came judgement as Adam and Eve were cast out of Eden.

If anything, judgement is a consequence of evolution.

a reply to: TzarChasm

When you zoom out basically and look at our species and how we act or what effects we have as if we all would form one super-individual. Super would have been better than hyper.

Am is 1. "am" is derivative of "it is" in the sense that existence is true and evident. "I" is 2, or the distinction between this bit of "it is" and that bit of "it is" aka me and not me. 2 is derivative of 1 in the sense that there is two 1's which are adjacent but not synonymous and cumulatively inform the individual.

Not that I can find anything wrong with that but I look at it as my existence, what acts in this environment in the now as the function and 'I am' the abstract less obvious self-awareness of what is acting.

a reply to: CloneFarm1000

Evolution does have a goal: survival.
In that scenario the 'wicked' are those who refuse to face and adapt to reality, I'd say. Because with time there is no stasis only change.

You could look at the story also as ... like when you level up in a game, you get new skills but the challenges are harder too.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: TzarChasm

When you zoom out basically and look at our species and how we act or what effects we have as if we all would form one super-individual. Super would have been better than hyper.

Am is 1. "am" is derivative of "it is" in the sense that existence is true and evident. "I" is 2, or the distinction between this bit of "it is" and that bit of "it is" aka me and not me. 2 is derivative of 1 in the sense that there is two 1's which are adjacent but not synonymous and cumulatively inform the individual.

Not that I can find anything wrong with that but I look at it as my existence, what acts in this environment in the now as the function and 'I am' the abstract less obvious self-awareness of what is acting.

Perhaps you can ponder your question further and try to narrow it down a bit, I can't make heads or tails of what you are deconstructing or what element you're trying to identify.

a reply to: TzarChasm

I'm trying my best to avoid the word consciousness and noosphere.
I'm basically saying in order to survive as species we have to clean up all the memes in our consciousness because the judgement won't be 'who says Jesus the most' but If we can accept or better figure out first what function humans were meant to have in the super-sphere of biosphere + noosphere.

a reply to: Peeple

I'm not sure ideas like species or survival are applicable in the biome of a "noosphere" considering information doesn't resemble the traditional understanding of life, which demands certain requisite features like body and autonomy. I listened to a podcast earlier this year which polled viewers on whether or not they would voluntarily plug into a server so to speak which is essentially an amalgam of the entire participating community where all their minds share a space together. At what point does "you" cease to exist due to lack of defining characteristics like I described above. Bringing us back to the so called "hyper individual" which is an oxymoron. You are a person, or you are a composite element like a blood cell or a ligament. Does evolution point toward a hive society which tends to operate as a singular body with no capacity for microcosmic persons to pursue their selfish interests?

I hope that helps.

"In the 1.derivative it's Judgement."

The 1.derivative is an engine of judgement. The 1 experiences everything without judgement only love.

a reply to: TzarChasm

No. It doesn't.
If we take the definition of m.-webster

the sphere of human consciousness and mental activity especially in regard to its influence on the biosphere and in relation to evolution

The very basic point of view, it is exactly what I meant with the 1. derivative: my mind is the abstract interpretation of my physical existence.
As in the world around me is not really like the sensual perception + interpretation of it my brain provides me with. Like f.e. colours are different wavelengths of light reflected by the object I observe and not per se properties of the object.
My mind is doing an interpretation for me of the actual information provided by the environment.
For convenience mostly because it is in most parts for the survival of humans not necessary to see infrared. f.e.

But that's just part of the game of survival there are frogs with their retinal rod cells who can see individual photons. It is all in the perception.
Like I said if you zoom out to the size of a planet you can surmise how the human species is acting as one individual.
We don't need to be aware of that for it to happen. We might be subconsciously aware, which is the point of this thread where we humans fully expect our exploitation, destruction and pollution will at some point create a feedback. In other words: judgement. Another abstract derivative of what is actually happening: evolution.

Is it better to understand this way?

Natural Selection and The Judgment do share some themes. Natural selection being that life is the way it cause it adapted to it environment an challenges, and doesn’t need to over compensate for it. Not so much how strong, smart, big or small, so long as it adapts to whatever comes it way given enough time.

Judgement in the Bibical sense is about over coming trials an tribulations being thrown at you by God, or Satan depending on your verision. That who follows said commandments an laws with unwavering faith would be able to rise above the Deadly Sins of Man for example. And were hand picked by God later or something like that.

Then the Final Judgment, Natural Screw the Selection process ,where Atheists would want to use Bibical narratives an the faithful would use science, where God or nature ain’t gonna give a crap. Bye bye millions years of evolution or 6000 year infallible plan.


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All because somebody touched themselves an set it off some quantum nuclear reaction similar to what killed the Dinosaurs.