Best case scenario on the bad batches.

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: anonentity
doom porn has been hitherto an amusing entertainment medium.

And that's all this is. Entertainment.

Oh cool.

The last couple years have been entertaining for you?

Weird. I seem to recall a sense of normalcy before all this mass induced psychosis.

Weird.

originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: anonentity

Source: trust me, bro.

How many hours a day do you and vIrTuOsO spend on this tripe?

If you don't like the input of other members and the fact that they are spending some of their time to argue their positions then there is no need to be around and nobody obliges you to do so.

What is important at this stage it s to establish the facts as the house of cards has fallen and what was 'unthinkable' two years ago has become a very sad and unpleasant reality which will be the case for many years to come given the magnitude of this disasterous policies of the most absurd and ludicrous campaigns to vaccinate everyone and everything that walks on this planet.

At the moment there are only desperate attempts and plenty of vaccine apologetics and denialism of truth by those who try to defend (unsuccessfully) the narrative.

One thing is for sure though: They are in the wrong side of history!

originally posted by: Hiram33
a reply to: nugget1
.... If there was a real pandemic they would play it down ... Keep the public calm and do their best to manage it ....that did not happen fear was used 24/7 the media was the driving force to create mass panic.....

You make a good point with that one. When was it ever a good idea to panic a crowd? I'd say that is never an option in any situation. This was a conclusion that I hadn't come around to, but it must have been on my mind as one of the things that seemed so "off" during this pandemic. Even with so many things that raised a red flag for me, this point you made should have been evident, so thanks for putting that out there. It adds one more thing that stinks big time about all this, I should have thought of this early on.

a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

Yes your bang on there. The way they played it was copybook panic to get a jab. They were fighting for that prick in the arm no questions asked.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

Yes your bang on there. The way they played it was copybook panic to get a jab. They were fighting for that prick in the arm no questions asked.

Appeal to emotions, fear mongering, induced panic, propaganda, lies and half truths, pressure and coercion. None of these are compatible with science and medicine. They are a red flag in their own.

a reply to: anonentity
The bad batch theory is flawed. It doesn't take into account how ill the people given the bad batches were.

If you go to howbadismybatch and copy/paste the data for, say, pfizer 2021 into a spreadsheet you will see that for 4999 batches there are 2671 deaths reported. That is less than 2 deaths per batch but, like your OP points out, the majority of them actually occurred early on because the jabs were first given to people who were extremely ill, not because they were "hot shots" and the following batches were benign.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

Yes your bang on there. The way they played it was copybook panic to get a jab. They were fighting for that prick in the arm no questions asked.

Appeal to emotions, fear mongering, induced panic, propaganda, lies and half truths, pressure and coercion. None of these are compatible with science and medicine. They are a red flag in their own.

You have covered most of what I considered red flags, I just hadn't thought of the induced panic aspect. Putting all that together like you have is not a red flag, it's a huge flashing red sign!

I should make a pandemic red flag list, a list of all the questionable and suspicious things that went on during the pandemic. It will be a long list, but it might provide useful warning signs for future pandemics.

a reply to: daskakik

This guy isn't talking about deaths insomuch as permanent injury, which will probably hasten death.I think his main thrust is how many people will have to leave the workforce. Along with the people required to care for them.Is it a coincidence that voluntary Euthanasia is being promoted in highly vaxed countries.? That's another red flag. Remember the thing with regard to a war where if you injure your opponent takes out not only the wounded but the people required to look after them.
There must be a lot of people hiding injuries like airline pilots etc. Since the people that caused it control the data , we will only see the extent of it in our own lives. At the moment it's anything but the vax but it has to be acknowledged even at this early stage or the MSM won't be taken seriously. Failure of trust in the government is in its early stage,as nothing is getting addressed in any meaningful way, They have basically destroyed the free market because they are incapable of competing in it, which is a sign of a loser, so god only knows how the rest of this will pan out.

a reply to: anonentity
All the numbers show the same pattern. A high number when the jabs were first rolled out and given to really sick people and then a drop when administered to the the general public.

Like I said, the theory doesn't take into account the health of the groups being given the jabs. It isn't the batches that are changing but the health of the recipients of the batches.

Best case scenario is 30x what hitler did. BEST case.

a reply to: daskakik

But it is not highly sick people dropping with myocarditis its young healthy ones with no known previous ailments.

originally posted by: anonentity
But it is not highly sick people dropping with myocarditis its young healthy ones with no known previous ailments.

But it was highly sick people who got the batches that were labeled "bad" because of the number of incidences.

The healthy young ones being attributed to the vaccines currently are few and don't show high numbers per batch so it doesn't support the "bad batch theory".

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: anonentity
The bad batch theory is flawed. It doesn't take into account how ill the people given the bad batches were.

If you go to howbadismybatch and copy/paste the data for, say, pfizer 2021 into a spreadsheet you will see that for 4999 batches there are 2671 deaths reported. That is less than 2 deaths per batch but, like your OP points out, the majority of them actually occurred early on because the jabs were first given to people who were extremely ill, not because they were "hot shots" and the following batches were benign.

If you also go to my thread:

Pfizer: Six scandals to remember

You will see why nobody can trust Pfizer and the billions of dollars they have paid in criminal fines for fraud, loss of life & injuries as well as other serious offences.

There is no need for vaccine apologetics here.

a reply to: Asmodeus3
My point isn't about Pfizer or whether they can be trusted or not.

It is about the incorrect interpretation of the data that has lead to the "bad batch theory".

a reply to: daskakik

If you look at the all-cause death stats and attribute the rise to the vaccines then you have healthy people dropping dead.

originally posted by: anonentity
If you look at the all-cause death stats and attribute the rise to the vaccines then you have healthy people dropping dead.

That is "if" you attribute the rise to the vaccines.

Besides, my point isn't about the vaccines causing or not causing deaths in young people, it is about the "bad batch theory" being flawed because of how the data has been interpreted by people like those over at howbadismybatch.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Asmodeus3
My point isn't about Pfizer or whether they can be trusted or not.

It is about the incorrect interpretation of the data that has lead to the "bad batch theory".

Although I haven't discussed this hypothesis it is not an unlikely scenario given the billion of vaccinations that have been administered.

a reply to: daskakik'

In what way did they misinterpret the signs that some batches were more toxic? It was clearly shown that certain numbers had a very high mortality rate. That's why they had numbers. These batch numbers showed up in VERS. Since VERS is massively underreporting adverse effects. It is surprising this was even identified. If there is nothing wrong with the vaccine why are certain groups exempt?

a reply to: Asmodeus3
It is what the OP is about.

I don't know how whoever put together the video linked in the OP came up with 300 million but the data on howbadismybatch (probably the most recognized source for this theory) shows less than 22K cases of disabilities from thousand of lots each from Pfizer, Moderna and J&J, both in the USA and internationally combined, and even lower numbers for deaths and life threatening illness.

originally posted by: anonentity
In what way did they misinterpret the signs that some batches were more toxic?

Like I said, they didn't take into account the health of the people receiving the different lots.

It is a variable that would skew the results, not because the batches are different but because the population being vaccinated had other issues.