Man strikes 25 young police recruits who were jogging with vehicle...released same day

a reply to: shaneslaughta

It's the same source as in the OP that won't let me watch it no matter VPN or not. But I found another source and got to see it using Jdownloader and VPN.

The car veered into them from the wrong side. There's no way to blame the recruits for being there. They had no chance to react. It's generally expected that people do not veer into oncoming traffic.

The recruits are not at fault, but we can agree to disagree.

a reply to: shaneslaughta

Who cares. He could have been driving on the wrong side of the road for a mile. He ran into a group of 75 people in broad daylight. No skid marks. No braking.

The issue is why he was released. No reason. Not a single one.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: matafuchs

Terrible incident.

However one question. Why where they jogging on a road? Surely that is dangerous in itself.

I've never understood this. I've seen people jogging next to the highway, breathing in all the exhaust and it seemed nuts.
There are scores of places to run safely but I think people want to be seen or something...

a reply to: matafuchs

The only sane reason for doing something like this would be if the driver suffered a heart attack or some other medical emergency. But I know that did not happen or it would have been reported. Instead we have deranged people running this country, and so after he attempted to kill a bunch of kids training for sheriff, he was probably supposed to be doing an assassination of sorts, and that type of person can’t possibly be locked up(sheeesh… the world has lost their ever lovin minds)

originally posted by: TDDAgain

The recruits are not at fault, but we can agree to disagree.

Never said they were, though I don't believe being in the road is the smartest thing here.

What I'm saying is after watching the video and comparing the two different cars driving the same direction, the guy who hit the people was in the wrong lane for quite some time and does not appear that he swerved into the lane. He clearly was out oh his lane and did run some people over, of that I can not argue.

a reply to: matafuchs

There are multiple issues from my point of view. Since when do we throw away all logic in favor of siding with victims.

The driver did leave his land and he did hit people. Maybe on purpose but maybe not. We don't know his state of mind. However we do know that he was released and no formal charges have stuck to him.

So at this point we can either point fingers or we can look at the situation objectively and without bias.

I am saying that mistakes were made on both sides. They make sidewalks for a reason as well as athletic complexes. Being a cop is a dangerous enough job, why take unnecessary risks.

Yes the guy left the lane and was not in control of his vehicle.

With that said why does there have to be only one person at fault? There are other people involved. Why was there no cop in front of the recruits blocking the traffic from both sides?

There is a lot wrong with this situation and lots of unanswered questions.

It’s still an open investigation from my understanding, they’re still trying to prove it was intentional. They just weren’t ready to make a case against him so had to let him go after 48 hours, which seems like a long time to be able to hold a person without charging them with a serious crime, but that’s another story.

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There were 75 recruits, which is probably why they were running on the road. That's a lot of people.

The military runs on the road all the time. I don't see what the big deal is.

This guy was driving on the wrong side of the road. I find it hard to believe this wasn't an intentional act.

a reply to: shaneslaughta

There are multiple issues from my point of view. Since when do we throw away all logic in favor of siding with victims. All the time. If this was a few black kids and a guy with a MAGA sticker they would be calling for the death penalty already.

So at this point we can either point fingers or we can look at the situation objectively and without bias. I am. I have no bias. It could have been a parade and would feel the same way.

I am saying that mistakes were made on both sides. They make sidewalks for a reason as well as athletic complexes. Being a cop is a dangerous enough job, why take unnecessary risks. So we should not side with the victims but you are blaming the victims. You are.

With that said why does there have to be only one person at fault? There are other people involved. Why was there no cop in front of the recruits blocking the traffic from both sides? Who else would be at fault? Society? His parents? You are once again trying to blame a group of 75 people jogging in the road.

There are really no unanswered questions. There is no suspected he did it and he WAS charged. 2 million dollar bond.

Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva says the crash that injured 25 law enforcement recruits in South Whittier Wednesday morning was not an accident. “(Investigators) went through an exhaustive interview process with everyone involved, with the video surveillance statements from the recruits, the physical evidence they had, and what they got from the suspect himself. And they were able to form the opinion that this was a deliberate act,” Villanueva told NewsNation Thursday.

His BAC was 0.00
He could have been high but is that an excuse? If he was it is aggravated DUI
He ran a SUV into a group of people. ( I have never said he targeted cops but pretty sure that could be the case)

There is no reason this guy should be released. It falls at the feet of the DA who will need to charge him.

a reply to: matafuchs

California. Enough said.

a reply to: ancientlight

Yes.

originally posted by: matafuchs


There is no reason this guy should be released. It falls at the feet of the DA who will need to charge him.

Its called the justice system. Being charged with something is not a conviction it is simply a belief that there was a crime committed. Its up to a judge and jury to decide and its up to the prosecutor to press the charges. There has to be evidence to prosecute and convict this man. They couldn't make the charges stick and had to release him.

If the police cant find enough evidence to keep him locked up, where do you get you opinion that he shouldn't be out right now, as if you are THE authority.

It sounds to me like your blaming the police for not doing their job.


I wont even address the rest of this post because I have made myself clear. This is my opinion and I have voiced it. I have not attacked you and your opinion nor told you that yours is wrong.


This is the kind of thing that ruins this site. Instead of reading and understanding my opinion you have to try and force yours on me as if its the right one.

a reply to: shaneslaughta

This is the kind of thing that ruins this site. Instead of reading and understanding my opinion you have to try and force yours on me as if its the right one.

No. This is what is ruining our country. I am having a discussion. I have read everything you have said. To me.You have an opinion. So do I. It should be talked out but after 2-3 interactions you are looking at it as if I am forcing something on you. Attacking you or defending yourself saying you are not attacking me.

I wrote the OP. My concern was the fact he was released and the double standard that is present in many places in this country.

If you read the articles the Sherriff stated that specific charges were not filed based on the fact they want to make sure they do it all right. I am sure they want to make sure that NO ONE did anything incorrect during questions, custody and transpo of the accused. It would then give an out to mistrial or not a conviction by jury.

I do not want to be the authority and even stated I did not want him locked up as much as observed for 72 hours. In Florida there is a Baker Act and if you are a threat to yourself or others you get 72 hours in a mental health facility. I for one feels he qualifies. It is a thought. A opinion.

This line, that you quoted, is also true.

There is no reason this guy should be released. It falls at the feet of the DA who will need to charge him.

There will be charges but I still think he should not have been released.

originally posted by: matafuchs

This line, that you quoted, is also true.

There is no reason this guy should be released. It falls at the feet of the DA who will need to charge him.

There will be charges but I still think he should not have been released.

It seems maybe I have taken some of this discussion out of context and for that I apologize.

I feel as if there isn't enough publicly available information to make any accurate conclusion. Though there is one crappy video that could be analyzed in finer detail to see if he "Swerved". This is a big point in the situation. It could be the only piece of the puzzle that can convict him or not.

So many things could have played out that caused this incident and its unfair to judge him without the facts.

They didn't have the evidence to make anything stick yet so they could not force him to comply with pre-trial release program that would have mandated a mental health exam.

And I can agree that he probably should have been evaluated before they released him but legally they didn't have the leg to stand on. It is a questionable area in the legal system but as of the current laws, what can we do about it? Its gotta ride.


I feel as if so far everything has been done right from a legal standpoint. What would happen if they found out he had a seizure during the incident. That would explain him staying on the gas after the crash. The police don't want a lawsuit and bad publicity and need to conform to the letter of the law even if we the people have a problem with it.

Get familiar with US Laws
This has been declared as no accident .
A deliberate act .
Ignorance is as ignorant posts .


Denying ignorance .
Why ?
Ignorance is bad , don't do ignorance .

I got it....he is related to Pelosi?

If it were not for that pole that stopped the car those people would have been ran over. Could have been worse
10x worse.

Absolutely disgusting that he is not behind bars.
And Democrats voters just look the other way?

Perp is disgusting
Justice system is disgusting
Voters who continue to support this are disgusting

It feels weird living in the end times and last years on earth, yet I find it oddly exciting knowing it won't just be a few people, it will be multiple billions. Strange how technology was the catalyst that ended the world civilization and humanity.

If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.

a reply to: Bloodworth

Like seriously what are you even talking about?

This has nothing to do with left vs right politics. They didn’t have enough proof it was an intentional act after 48 hours had to let him go. If they had of held him longer or charged him with something they couldn’t prove in court then they would have jeopardized the entire case.

This is how it works in a free country where everybody has the right to a fair trial. It has nothing to do with democrats you clown.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: Bloodworth

Like seriously what are you even talking about?

This has nothing to do with left vs right politics. They didn’t have enough proof it was an intentional act after 48 hours had to let him go. If they had of held him longer or charged him with something they couldn’t prove in court then they would have jeopardized the entire case.

This is how it works in a free country where everybody has the right to a fair trial. It has nothing to do with democrats you clown.

Charge with Unintentional maming of officers using a motor vehicle.

Then investigate his background , social media, previous arrest.

Judging by the past times this happened, it was most likely intentional. Looks like the Darrell Brooks type