New Zealand young man dies due to the Pfizer vaccine

People and kids dead at ages in their twenties (and higher ages) not long after getting a Pfizer or Moderna experiment, and it is because of the side effects and the fools on television or web news make sure they reiterate loudly that the benefits still GREATLY outweigh the risks???

That right there is the definition of criminal stupidity and liability.

I know a LOT of people that refused jabs including myself, got Covid, tested positive, got sick for a few days and it was just a common flu bug symptoms wise, that's all.

The only one I know (a co-worker) who had to be hospitalized was jabbed with Pfizer plus boosters.

It's a greater risk (from direct observation) to get jabbed and a greater risk if you test positive and get sick.

And don't forget all the hype and coercion and cancelling and deplatforming to force jabs on everyone. That is the crime.

a reply to: TDDAgain

The big problem is the labs which handle the raw data and conduct the studies have vested interests in the pharmaceutical industry. When your funding comes from Pfizer i hardly think you can be called an impartial source of information.

Drugs like ivermectin are cheap, readily available and don't generate much profit. That's the reason you have very little clinical interest or studies in their effectiveness. New technology comes at a premium, is under IP protection, and generates massive profit. That's the aim of the game of a corporation, balance sheets not health.

a reply to: loufo

Your Doctor follows protocol, just like the majority of them. Their career and freedom depends on it. Go against protocols and someone dies and you can expect legal action.

Ask yourself who defines and regulates these protocols, then follow the funding.

a reply to: Grenade

This and the secret contracts made between Pfizer/BionTech and the countries (including whole EU). These secrets in the contracts, where it's also about liability that we are not entitled to know about.

I think the goverments played a big part in this too through these deals. For one, they could not face blame for not vaccinating because every government was acting in lockstep throug WHO and WEF guidelines, as we know for sure today.

The other reason I think is fiscally responsibility. How often did I heard like "People need to vaccinate more! We already bought the doses" after a phase when there was fear induced into the people about not having enough vaccines available. They faced critique for the first by the wanting masses and then they had to double down when they bought too much.

I think it's these dynamics too and I do think WEF and pals think tanks had this all figured out beforehand. Any scenario that pointed towards vaccines not being viable or even damaging, was twisted around. Same about masks and lockdowns.

When masks did not help it was the peoples fault that could not wear them, or just flat out refused. When lockdowns did not work, it was "party people". When the vaccine didn't work and show results in bringing the numbers down, it was the vaccine refusers fault.

It wasn't because the masks can only do so little for a short time and then switch to become breeding grounds of a lot worse bacteria, fungi and virus. It wasn't because social distancing should have been 18m and not 2m and they knew people would freak out about 18m distance and everything would collapse. It wasn't because the lockdowns with all the loopholes made sure to perpetuate the problem further. And it wasn't because of asymptomatic vaccinated people spreading COVID.

And it wasn't like people like you, me and others here have diligently pointed this out but got ridiculed by high road people that were just too eager to jump on the train to be able to feel of a better class and condescending down on others because "science" and all that.

a reply to: TDDAgain

I've no doubt the governments and media are complicit in the ruse. It comes as no surprise to me that corporate interests guide the policy decisions of politicians. Again, their career is dependent on obedience.

I've always said i believe covid and the pandemic to be more of a psychological experiment, the physiological disease was secondary and mostly about the economics.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Further proof that this isn't being covered up, and that when people die from the vax the media do cover it.

Perhaps it's because we are almost two years into the first rollout of the vaccine and the number of people who have been censored can no longer be held back. People are wising up and starting to put it all together.

a reply to: igloo

I think the next US election determines which heads will roll, either the elites or the poor.

My money is on the poor.

originally posted by: loufo

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: loufo

I'd say the deciding factor for mass vaccination is the effectiveness and safety. Even a small percentage of billions adds up to a lot of deaths. The mere fact there's serious debate around these topics suggest the jabs hardly meet the expectations and initial promises touted by our media and governments. We locked down the world for a virus which has a similar lethality in our youth as the vaccine being pumped into their arms. A vaccine which doesn't stop transmission or infection. A vaccine which we must put faith in due to no real world data supporting the claims of the manufacturers.

the majority of scientists say that vaccination helps. my doctor says the same thing. i trust those who know something about the subject. the effectiveness of various measures is debatable, no question. in my opinion all these threads are not really about covid. covid is a vehicle. a basis on which to set one's agenda. as soon as covid is not a big topic anymore, it will disappear and the another topic will be used for idiological purposes.

You have said something correct.
Here we don't just discuss Covid or the vaccines which are serious matters. But we are discussing the interference of politics, financial interests, and ideologies in science & medicine.

I can find you many scientists and academics who argue that these vaccines are problematic and can cause serious disease and death in young and healthy people. My thread gives an example of someone young who has died because of the mRNA vaccine.

You trust those who present a view that you find convenient. Science isn't a matter of consensus by the way. The consensus can be politicalized and corrupted. Some facts will do the job.

originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: TDDAgain

I did not ask about any of those things.

I asked the OP how covid vaccines can be killing as many as they claim yet few enough that they need to make threads reporting single cases in new Zealand?

Death due to covid vaccination is either very rare as all official sources claim or it's off the scale and killing tens maybe hundreds of thousands like the ATS doom porn posse claim.

Where's the other thousands of threads about the rest of the deaths?

Do you understand the extent of the censorship in the media for the last two years?
Or how much doctors have been silenced?
Or deaths/injury in the 14 day period after vaccination were not counted?
Or how people have tried to report their side effects/losses on social media but received misinformation bans over it?

If you can grasp the extent the censorship went to, you will see why only a few cases reach the mainstream media.

But you know this.

originally posted by: igloo

originally posted by: nonspecific
a reply to: TDDAgain

I did not ask about any of those things.

I asked the OP how covid vaccines can be killing as many as they claim yet few enough that they need to make threads reporting single cases in new Zealand?

Death due to covid vaccination is either very rare as all official sources claim or it's off the scale and killing tens maybe hundreds of thousands like the ATS doom porn posse claim.

Where's the other thousands of threads about the rest of the deaths?

Do you understand the extent of the censorship in the media for the last two years?
Or how much doctors have been silenced?
Or deaths/injury in the 14 day period after vaccination were not counted?
Or how people have tried to report their side effects/losses on social media but received misinformation bans over it?

If you can grasp the extent the censorship went to, you will see why only a few cases reach the mainstream media.

But you know this.

[snipped] It's the point where one ask themselves, have I been fooled over this matter?

A little while ago if you were arguing that there are deaths from the mRNA vaccines you would have been banned from social media (you can still get banned for this) and/or be called a conspiracy theorist.

This cannot be claimed anymore given that there are deaths from these vaccines and my opening page is about one of them.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Germany's official figures are that one in seven has to seek medical advice after the shot. That is not insignificant. New Zealand hospitals are at breaking point. Along with all the other highly vaxxed countries. It gets worse by the week. Denial is collapsing in many sectors as the reality is observed by the general population.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Germany's official figures are that one in seven has to seek medical advice after the shot. That is not insignificant. New Zealand hospitals are at breaking point. Along with all the other highly vaxxed countries. It gets worse by the week. Denial is collapsing in many sectors as the reality is observed by the general population.

It looks like there is plenty of denialism when it comes to the reality of the situation.

This thread is being closed.

A separate thread for each Covid vaccine death that makes the news is not necessary.
These individual deaths are places to rehash the same debates that are being discussed in multiple threads already.
Please use those threads for news and views of Covid vaccine side effects/deaths.