NYT Many Military U.F.O. Reports Are Just Foreign Spying or Airborne Trash

Adding in this article…..from the Wall Street Journal dated Oct 28, 2022

UFO ‘Mystery’ Shouldn’t Drag On

……”Some questions are put forward to distract and not because answers are genuinely sought.”…..


For what it’s worth……if you can’t view the entire article….then listen to the 2 min audio clip to get the gist.

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a reply to: mirageman

TTSA was a culmination of desperation to get to the UFO secrets before these old men pass away. But they overestimated the reach of their media and social media influencers, then shareholder investments barely made it past the $2m mark. The evidence they had to play with just wasn't enough, once the initial splash of publicity had died down, to maintain strong interest beyond a tiny fringe.

What secrets and from whom? If TTSA was the government, then you're saying then they believed there was a secret onion hidden somewhere outside the gov or inside the government.

A psyop is to influence the public or foreigners and other government institutions one way or the other, usually not any kind of information gathering.
But I guess it's possible.

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

This writer says that all this UFO stuff has come from the US military. So, what I read in this, along with the Times article in your op, is these well-connected reporters are telling us the UFO hammer is coming down on the UFO community in the form of: so sorry, no aliens.

Or, in other words, what the Times wrought in 2017, they can take down in 2022.

We'll see

So some politician are saying pilots whos lives depend on paying attention to detail they are getting it wrong.

I needed a chuckle this morning, thanks.

a reply to: Direne

Now what about visual sightings hmmm? Most drones are not going to show on radar due to their size. Otherwise our radar operators would be dealing with every bird or bat that flies into the radars range. I was referring to visual sightings not instrument hits.

a reply to: Irishhaf

Aye those wonderful pilots who spot alien spacecraft. Who are always quoted as being "trained observers". But can you link us all to the certificate or the training manual for such expert observational training? Are all pilots also trained astronomers, meteorologists, cosmologists, astrobiologists and also briefed on every single top secret aircraft test by friends and foe alike?

Some pilots were unable to recognize Starlink satellites long after they were first launched. The military has a record of friendly fire incidents. Pilots are highly skilled at flying their aircraft, but are as prone to errors of perception as any other human being.

Perhaps this story dated Oct 27, 2022…will be shoehorned into the report as an example of what’s not a UFO….but can be mistaken for one under certain conditions…..

‘A UFO! No, wait…’ Upside-down tent seen flying over Florida delights social media

An example of Airborne Trash???


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a reply to: peaceinoutz

What secrets and from whom? If TTSA was the government, then you're saying then they believed there was a secret onion hidden somewhere outside the gov or inside the government.

It is only a theory. One, I based on comments in Vallee's book. That he and chums were searching out a secret UFO/alien tech program somewhere and wanted in on it. But the Bigelow mob had not found it. Even if they all believed one existed.

...A psyop is to influence the public or foreigners and other government institutions one way or the other, usually not any kind of information gathering....

Yes. And if the Vegas UFO Mob were trying to force through some form of 'disclosure' (based on belief) then perhaps they were hoping to get enough politicians, media personalities, social media influencers, celebrities and others inside the MIC onboard with them? If there was something there maybe someone would step forward.

What happened was the launch of TTSA and then a huge splurge in Dec 2017 in NYT, WAPO and Politico. A bunch of goons on social media appeared almost overnight. But the initial wave of excitement wasn't backed up with enough hard proof. Then the holes began to appear.

Like I said, only a theory. Could be wrong.

a reply to: mirageman

That theory is as good as any.
I like the MIC theory: Never forget TDLs theme from the beginning of Make the Military Great again in our eyes…heroes.

I also like the earlier idea that Bigelow may have done all this to get that 22 million.
The money thing connects Bigelow to his late buddy Senator Reed.

Here’s how it went. I remote viewed this…
Bigelow: “Look here, Harry, I done put a lot of money in this ufo stuff and a lot of money in your campaigns. And I want some payback!”

Seriously, of course, there may be a secret group in the gov, but I doubt it, but who knows, save only those in such a group. TTSA may have just been a surreptitious way to expose that 22 million boondoggle or, as you suggest, a legit Bigelow deal to get at some secrets.

One thing for sure, once we go down the conspiracy hole, anything is possible.

Like Valles's book itself being misinformation to make us all think there is no secret onion.

a reply to: mirageman

One more thing on this.

Your idea might have merit; per pages 426-7 in FS4, Vallee speaks almost directly to what you are referring to regarding Bigelow wanting to go public and engage the scientific community at the same time.

a reply to: mirageman

Got it you were never an aviator, I was a flight engineer and paying attention to detail is key to survival.

Also I would love to see your reaction time flying at those speeds, having to make an instant decision between pull the trigger or not, I am sure you will say if in doubt dont shoot, but if they are bad guys and you dont then you risk friendly ground forces being killed.

Actually dont both answering you showed your ignorance already, go ahead sit in your chair and pass judgment on people

Aye those wonderful pilots who spot alien spacecraft. Who are always quoted as being "trained observers". But can you link us all to the certificate or the training manual for such expert observational training? Are all pilots also trained astronomers, meteorologists, cosmologists, astrobiologists and also briefed on every single top secret aircraft test by friends and foe alike?

Some pilots were unable to recognize Starlink satellites long after they were first launched. The military has a record of friendly fire incidents. Pilots are highly skilled at flying their aircraft, but are as prone to errors of perception as any other human being.

This deserves to be enshrined as an epically ignorant statement.

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Whose Luggage is that, Zondos or Delonge's?

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Whose Luggage is that, Zondos or Delonge's?

It’s an upside down tent….taken to the winds.

An honest true Airborne AirBnB!!


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a reply to: Irishhaf

Got it you were never an aviator, I was a flight engineer and paying attention to detail is key to survival.

Also I would love to see your reaction time flying at those speeds, having to make an instant decision between pull the trigger or not, I am sure you will say if in doubt dont shoot, but if they are bad guys and you dont then you risk friendly ground forces being killed. ...

You've just illustrated the very reasons why pilots, especially fighter pilots are prone to misperceptions when reporting UFOs or UAPs. Their skill set is based around survival, recognizing potential threats and making rapid decisions.Which will unfortunately, occasionally also lead to mistakes based on a lack of data.

J.Allen Hynek conducted his own study and discovered the most likely group to be prone to misperception when reporting UFOs were military pilots. (Between 76-88% of the time).



This was conducted long after Hynek had become a 'believer' in the 1970s.

But a more modern twist in this would be the Gimbal video. Where the pilot commentary (if it's real) declares "It's a F******g drone bro".



TTSA labelled this as a genuine UFO. On the DD1910 release form it was classed as "UAV, Balloons and UAS"



The US Navy have since declared it as "unidentified".

So did the pilot get it right initially, or was he mistaken?

Here’s somewhat of a regurgitated preview to lead into when the report gets released ……

Although I suspect when the report actually comes out…..someone here at ATS will start a new thread.


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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

The point is they don’t know.

If you get a big unknown number, like 90 percent, then it won’t get resolved.

Looking at the vast majority going back to the origin in 47, It occurs to me that the good sightings by usually pilots and some civilians of solid objects going at tremendous speed are the best available.

I firmly believe this is a lost cause since the phenomenon, as that report states, is just NOT consistent. Science relies on consistency, not on unreliable inconsistency, the essence of the ufos.

So, I would bet this report will almost mimic this 1952 statement by General John A. Samford'

Somebody better than me who know aerodynamics might explain this to me. By the looks of this gimbal video the chase plane is banking to the left (permanently by the look of the clouds going by) and the amount of time the video is shown the "UFO" is circling the jet not the jet chasing the "UFO". Also what is the white light in the upper left that slowly traverses to top centre. Is this part of the HUD?

Piggybacking another article…….

Government UFO report timed for Halloween seems to downplay spooky sightings …”It wouldn't be the first time officials put the issue to rest without a full, open-minded investigation.”….

….”Right in time for Halloween, U.S. intelligence agencies were due on Monday to deliver a classified progress report on UFOs to Congress, with an unclassified summary of the report expected to be posted online later this week.”….

In regards to NASA….

…..”It’s particularly frustrating that NASA seems to be drawing its conclusions before even really getting started. In its tweet announcing the UAP panel members 10 days ago, NASA declared: “There is no evidence supporting the idea that UAP are extraterrestrial in origin.” This statement seems to prematurely signal its conclusions so no one will be surprised when the final report repeats the same finding.”…..

…..”While some of NASA’s top brass and study team members have tried to reassure the public that they don’t have pre-conclusions, others have already raised concerns. Loeb points out: “Some members of the panel expressed explicit views against scientific research on UAP. Their selection raises concern about the neutrality of the panel.”….



……”It’s often said that those who don’t learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it. If government and academia don’t do so with UFOs, we may end up with another independent scientific panel in another 50 years, but be no closer to the truth.”…….

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a reply to: mirageman

You do realize the military has more than fighter pilots see these things right?

on the heavies there are usually a couple more bodies in the cockpit, nothing is split second decision making 99% of the time, you have time to study it refer to your instruments, call ATC, or AWACS and see if they have anything on radar.

What about the airline pilots that were also military pilots, I guess they are too busy on those big beasts that are almost completely computerized to tell the difference.

You can possibly explain some, you on the other hand are blowing it all off saying the pilots dont know what they mean and implying they are poorly trained because the guys using Night vision having to make a decision in close air support situation.

Careful your ignorance is showing might want to attend to that.

a reply to: Irishhaf

This isn't about you and your ego.

Human beings do not make 100% reliable eyewitnesses. Pilots and aircrews are not given "Expert Oberver Training" to recognize every possible object, celestial event and meteorological anomaly in the skies. They have a specific role to carry out and are trained to do so. That does not include spotting alien spacecraft. And no one knows what one would look like anyway.

What about the airline pilots that were also military pilots, I guess they are too busy on those big beasts that are almost completely computerized to tell the difference.

They also were prone to similar misperception as Hynek's survey of Blue Book cases (over 12,000) reported. 79-88% of the time they reported a UFO that was later identified as something prosaic. Radar technician, 78% of the time. Even the best cases where there were multiple witnesses got it wrong 50% of the time. No UFOs have ever been confirmed as alien spacecraft, either. So the best case is "we don't know".



Which you seem to want to ignore.

Just like the voice on the Gimbal video. Which you also didn't address. Now is it a drone as the pilot claims or "unidentified" as the Navy announced at a much later date?

Humans are prone to misperception.