Florida Surgeon General on Stew Peters.

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Of course, the risk for most people are 1-3 days of mild flu like symptoms, which is comparable to the flu shot.

The Flu shots dont cause heart inflation.. Or heart pains.

Comparing this to the flu shots is a bit amusing.

Yes, the bars have been moved so much that no longer one is able to appreciate what reality is.
As long as they don't kill you then the vaccines are safe.... I mean the line argumentation has become detached from reality.

As I said on another thread the aim of the vaccine is a fabricated retrospective concept which changes over time.

It seems that the Department of Health in Florida has a different understanding to whet is safe and what is not safe.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: anonentity

Of course, the risk for most people are 1-3 days of mild flu like symptoms, which is comparable to the flu shot.

If you're a male under 35 you have a 0.02 percent chance of mild breathlessness and palpitations for 1-5 days, requiring at most over the counter pain killers and bed rest.

The risk of anything more serious is around 0.002 percent.

See the last couple of links in my signature, plus the Israeli study for sources.

Some links will be highly appreciated.
No signatures though.

Link 2 and 8 in my signature both detail the potential side-effects and their likelihood. Both are peer reviewed from respectable insitutions.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: anonentity

Of course, the risk for most people are 1-3 days of mild flu like symptoms, which is comparable to the flu shot.

If you're a male under 35 you have a 0.02 percent chance of mild breathlessness and palpitations for 1-5 days, requiring at most over the counter pain killers and bed rest.

The risk of anything more serious is around 0.002 percent.

See the last couple of links in my signature, plus the Israeli study for sources.

Some links will be highly appreciated.
No signatures though.

Link 2 and 8 in my signature both detail the potential side-effects and their likelihood. Both are peer reviewed from respectable insitutions.

Better if you post them as we can't go look at signatures...

From whatever angle you look at this, children and young and healthy people were never in need of these vaccines and never in any serious risk of getting sick or die due to Covid-19 disease. The chances are just miniscule.

originally posted by: anonentity
He is getting attacked and people are calling for his degree to be rescinded.

OF COURSE.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: chr0naut

You are free to believe that, in the end, we must all decide on what is the truth of a particular stance. We haven't got a lot of choices. Information from heavily censored media or a totally uncensored one.

You are correct on this one.
Mainstream media have lost all their credibility with their stance on this matter and the heavy censorship. There are many more who are complicit in this scandal.

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Of course, the risk for most people are 1-3 days of mild flu like symptoms, which is comparable to the flu shot.

The Flu shots dont cause heart inflation.. Or heart pains.

Comparing this to the flu shots is a bit amusing.

It's amusing that I benchmark something against a common vax that 10s of millions of people have every year?

You may or may not know this, but the heart inflammation caused by the covid vax isn't caused by the vax itself, it's caused by the person's body over reacting to a perceived threat. You see similar things with many vax, and with the virus that the vax are vaxxing you against. Usually it's worse with the virus than the vax. In the case of covid it's between 7 and 10 times more prevalent.

Here's a study from 2010 regarding the flu shot and smallpox vaccination Link

Here's one from 2016 Link

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: anonentity

Of course, the risk for most people are 1-3 days of mild flu like symptoms, which is comparable to the flu shot.

If you're a male under 35 you have a 0.02 percent chance of mild breathlessness and palpitations for 1-5 days, requiring at most over the counter pain killers and bed rest.

The risk of anything more serious is around 0.002 percent.

See the last couple of links in my signature, plus the Israeli study for sources.

Some links will be highly appreciated.
No signatures though.

Link 2 and 8 in my signature both detail the potential side-effects and their likelihood. Both are peer reviewed from respectable insitutions.

Better if you post them as we can't go look at signatures...

From whatever angle you look at this, children and young and healthy people were never in need of these vaccines and never in any serious risk of getting sick or die due to Covid-19 disease. The chances are just miniscule.

Just switch to Desktop view, 8 links, all there.

The reason to give children the vax is to build herd immunity. You need about 80 percent of the population to be vaxxed for that. The risk of anything beyond mild flu like symptoms is about 0.002 percent. See link 8 for the exact numbers.

FYI, I'm not advocating for mandatory childhood vaxxing against covid. I'm advocating against doom porn.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

the aim of the vaccine is a fabricated retrospective concept which changes over time.

You mean ... people change their advice when provided with new information?

Remember when people thought that seatbelts would kill more people than they saved, or that mandatory safety standards in children's toys would place an unaffordable burden on manufacturers?

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: anonentity

Of course, the risk for most people are 1-3 days of mild flu like symptoms, which is comparable to the flu shot.

If you're a male under 35 you have a 0.02 percent chance of mild breathlessness and palpitations for 1-5 days, requiring at most over the counter pain killers and bed rest.

The risk of anything more serious is around 0.002 percent.

See the last couple of links in my signature, plus the Israeli study for sources.

Some links will be highly appreciated.
No signatures though.

Link 2 and 8 in my signature both detail the potential side-effects and their likelihood. Both are peer reviewed from respectable insitutions.

Better if you post them as we can't go look at signatures...

From whatever angle you look at this, children and young and healthy people were never in need of these vaccines and never in any serious risk of getting sick or die due to Covid-19 disease. The chances are just miniscule.

Just switch to Desktop view, 8 links, all there.

The reason to give children the vax is to build herd immunity. You need about 80 percent of the population to be vaxxed for that. The risk of anything beyond mild flu like symptoms is about 0.002 percent. See link 8 for the exact numbers.

FYI, I'm not advocating for mandatory childhood vaxxing against covid. I'm advocating against doom porn.

Most of us already have had natural immunity which is by far superior. No need to get into the vaccine business. Especially for children and young and healthy adults. Herd immunity is a concept when you have viruses that don't mutate easily. Although good protection exists. Since we can get re-infected, especially with the new variants, the best way of immunisation is natural infection for those who don't have a great risk. However this may not be the best route for some people and hence the vaccines. But forcing vaccines to the general population is beyond belief.

We do have good levels of protection though against serious disease and/or death. We have cellular immunity and as a result once infected and survived, the chances that you get re-infected and die are astronomically small.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3
The reason to give children the vax is to build herd immunity.

Vaccine induced herd immunity is a myth propagated by big pharma to push their products. Nothing more.

You need about 80 percent of the population to be vaxxed for that.

Really? Multiple 'science' sources claim it is more like 90, or even 95%. So, which 'science' are you relying on for this one?

FYI, I'm not advocating for mandatory childhood vaxxing against covid.

And yet, there's no way to reach that level of stats without them.

Hypocrite much?

I'm advocating against doom porn.

By spreading it?

Again - hypocrite much?

a reply to: AaarghZombies

It's now known widely that the vaccines do not protect from acquiring the virus, do not protect from spreading the virus, and do not protect from symptoms of the virus.

So what definition of herd immunity are you using?

originally posted by: cmdrkeenkid

originally posted by: chr0naut
Who wrote this? Has it passed peer review? To what academic body are they associated, and what credentials do they have?

The information is within the paper. Try reading it.

The information is not within the paper.

The paper is in a public upload folder that is preset in the WordPress web template, so not even in a user's folder on the filesystem.

To show me, all you have to do is to provide the author's details, from the document. Because I have been unable to find their name, the name of the academic institution to which they are associated, or any details about funding or conflict of interest.

The paper does not appear to be credible or scientific.

What are your credentials to make that determination? What academic body are you affiliated with?

Decades ago, I was associated with the University of Sydney, and also the University of Western Sydney, under different curricula.

But that is fairly irrelevant to me saying that the paper does not appear to be scientifically credible - I said that because it simply does not contain any credentials.

However, what Fauci said didn't change.

March 2020: Dr. Anthony Fauci talks with Dr Jon LaPook about Covid-19 8 March 2020

Neither of the above two video links play in my country.

Right now, in the United States, people should not be walking around with masks... There's no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you're in the middle of an outbreak wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better, and it might even block a droplet, but it is not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is.

Fauci says he wears mask as ‘symbol’ of good behavior 27 May 2020

Fauci also said he chooses to wear a face covering “because I want to make it be a symbol for people to see that that’s the kind of thing you should be doing.”

Very scientific basis for masking. Good to know the virus could be combated by virtue signaling.

Fauci mocked ‘ass-backwards’ diners for taking off masks at table: book 20 September 2022

“[I]n January 2020, [Fauci] said the virus was nothing to worry about for the American people. Then in the months that followed, he said that people should not wear masks and that they were ineffective. By June or July, he had changed his tune and said everyone should be very concerned and that they should wear multiple masks — and goggles,” Morgenstern wrote.

“I vividly recall my blood boiling during an infuriating meeting in the Roosevelt Room of the White House, when Fauci laughed about his own goggles comment, making it clear how cynical he was and that he could get people to believe anything,” the former aide continued.

“He went on to laugh about how ‘ass-backwards’ it was that people entered a restaurant wearing a mask, then sat down and conversed with people without a mask. Of course, he wasn’t saying things to that effect publicly, just laughing privately at the American rubes he was fooling.”

You want to mention trolling? Fauci managed to troll the nation for a second time in his life!

There are stacks more.

These three were comments that masks are ineffective when they aren't used properly. It's about people who seem to think that a mask is a talisman of protection, and that having one, but not wearing one, will somehow protect them. And similarly, having someone who does not wear a mask, while in a public situation where others are masked, reduces the protection of masking of those who are masked.

To explain this, medical masks are not capable of filtering out particles as small as a virus, or even a virus suspended in exhaled fluid droplets. Medical masks do, however, significantly reduce the velocity of exhalations. So with a lower velocity, there is a lower distance of travel. Medical masks, therefore, work to prevent someone who is infectious with the virus, from projecting the virus out to others as readily. That is something that Fauci has been saying consistently. However, several news media and commentary sites have truncated that message, repeating only the part where he says that medical masks are ineffective at filtering. The three articles you posted have done just this, producing sensationalized headlines that are a misrepresentation of what Fauci said. If you read the actual article content, and didn't stop at the headline, you would see the truth of the situation.

But, like your insistence that the unattributed paper was attributed somewhere in the paper, if you had actually read the full details for yourself, with a degree of comprehension, instead of just reading the abstract, or headline, or title, and stopping there, you would realize the truth.

You just said that Florida abandoned masks, at the height of a freakin' epidemic!

These 12 Graphs Show Mask Mandates Do Nothing To Stop Covid

This PDF document, while appearing to quote legitimate sources, contains several outright untruths. At the bottom of the page is a URL, "thefederalist.com... graphs-show-mask-mandates-do-nothing-to-stop-covid/", this is the public source of the document. Why, then does your link use a .pdf format located on an otherwise secure server folder under the authority of the North Dakota Legislative Branch? At the bottom of the document is a copyright notice that clearly identifies the document as owned by The Federalist.

None the less, The Federalist is itself not considered a credible source. The Federalist - Media Bias/Fact Check

The only thing that was abandoned in Florida was mandates. People are still free to get shots. People are still free to isolate themselves. People are still free to wear masks. And people still choose to do take those actions.

Most importantly, people are free to choose.

And, apparently, they are free to be lied to, without any accountability of those who misrepresent the truth (because trying to 'out' a liar is against 'free speech').

originally posted by: cmdrkeenkid
a reply to: AaarghZombies

It's now known widely that the vaccines do not protect from acquiring the virus, do not protect from spreading the virus, and do not protect from symptoms of the virus.

So what definition of herd immunity are you using?

I don't think they have understood what herd immunity means abs they are throwing phrases here and there that don't make any sense.

Perhaps they use the same definition to Pfizer's which are are moving at the speed of science.

originally posted by: chr0naut
The information is not within the paper.

You're right, my mistake. The author is Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD. Here is his biography including credentials.

The paper is in a public upload folder that is preset in the WordPress web template, so not even in a user's folder on the filesystem.

The paper is hosted on a state government official website.

Decades ago, I was associated with the University of Sydney, and also the University of Western Sydney, under different curricula.

That was about the longest way to say that your credentials are both outdated and in a field not pertinent to this science.

Neither of the above two video links play in my country.

Then it's a good thing that I included quotations with the videos.

These three were comments that masks are ineffective when they aren't used properly.

Gold medal for the mental gymnastics. I will continue take it at face value, nothing deeper than what he said. And you are free to draw your own conclusions.

Why, then does your link use a .pdf format located on an otherwise secure server folder under the authority of the North Dakota Legislative Branch?

That was the location of the document that I had saved. I was not the one who saved it there, so I cannot speak to its purpose there.