Florida Surgeon General on Stew Peters.

Finally, a sane Surgeon General is advising on fact-based science. He is saying that with the data out now taking the vaccine is a no-brainer when the risks exceed the benefits. He is getting attacked and people are calling for his degree to be rescinded. This is where we are with fact-based conclusions. Ignore the ad half way through. www.bitchute.com...

Yep, the damn is slowly bursting. Surgeon generals are speaking out, doctors are coming forward, government officials, funeral directors, health agency insiders, victims. There's no avoiding the truth.

a reply to: anonentity

But...but...think of Pfizer's profits!!!

Have you no sympathy for their declining earnings....so cruel....

originally posted by: anonentity
Finally, a sane Surgeon General

The implication being that all other surgeon generals are insane?

is advising on fact-based science. He is saying that with the data out now taking the vaccine is a no-brainer when the risks exceed the benefits.

What science is he using to support his opinions? There is much clinical and scientific data that shows the benefits are significant and the risks are vanishingly small.

He has also consistently spoken out against masks and lock-downs, while also promoting unproven treatments. It doesn't sound as if it is science that is behind what he says.

He is getting attacked and people are calling for his degree to be rescinded. This is where we are with fact-based conclusions. Ignore the ad half way through. www.bitchute.com...

If this person is wrong, and they block all attempts at medical mitigations against the disease in areas under their authority, people will die unnecessarily. He should be held responsible.

a reply to: chr0naut

The implication is that this sorry state of affairs is being played out all over the world. You can believe in science or you can believe in political science. www.bitchute.com...

originally posted by: chr0naut
What science is he using to support his opinions?

Here are a couple jumping off points for you.

Exploring the relationship between all-cause and cardiac-related mortality following COVID-19 vaccination or infection in Florida residents: a self-controlled case series study
No general vaccination against covid-19 among children 5-11 years

There is much clinical and scientific data that shows the benefits are significant and the risks are vanishingly small.

Where?

He has also consistently spoken out against masks and lock-downs... It doesn't sound as if it is science that is behind what he says.

Fauci started off saying that masks and lock-downs were unnecessary. Then the "science" he was using changed. In Florida we just went back to normal a lot faster no worse for wear (and that was under the previous Surgeon General, Scott Rivkees).

If this person is wrong, and they block all attempts at medical mitigations against the disease in areas under their authority, people will die unnecessarily. He should be held responsible.

Nothing is being blocked. Nothing is being forced or mandated either. All the options are still there for those that want them.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: chr0naut

The implication is that this sorry state of affairs is being played out all over the world. You can believe in science or you can believe in political science. www.bitchute.com...

Do you think that the video's shown on Bullchute are science - political or otherwise? LOL.

There is no moderation on Bullchute. Anyone can distribute whatever they want there. The site exists primarily for shock value and sensationalism and the more boring content gets voted down. They make their money on clicks and advertising. This is the way most social media operates and it guarantees that the highest rated content is also the most sensationalist and therefore untrustworthy.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: chr0naut

The implication is that this sorry state of affairs is being played out all over the world. You can believe in science or you can believe in political science. www.bitchute.com...

Do you think that the video's shown on Bullchute are science - political or otherwise? LOL.

There is no moderation on Bullchute. Anyone can distribute whatever they want there. The site exists primarily for shock value and sensationalism and the more boring content gets voted down. They make their money on clicks and advertising. This is the way most social media operates and it guarantees that the highest rated content is also the most sensationalist and therefore untrustworthy.

Do you understand that all mainstream sources like youtube, facebook, news media are censored?

a reply to: chr0naut

You are free to believe that, in the end, we must all decide on what is the truth of a particular stance. We haven't got a lot of choices. Information from heavily censored media or a totally uncensored one.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: chr0naut

The implication is that this sorry state of affairs is being played out all over the world. You can believe in science or you can believe in political science. www.bitchute.com...

Do you think that the video's shown on Bullchute are science - political or otherwise? LOL.

This shows the most infantile understanding of multiple concepts.

The URL or platform of where is a video is stored and hosted has zero to do with its content. The first amendment is based on the free expression of information, not government censorship like in China or like what YouTube does literally for the government. You must hate ATS because its a lot like bitchute in that it tries to be a free speech platform. Why do you even post here?

originally posted by: cmdrkeenkid

originally posted by: chr0naut
What science is he using to support his opinions?

Here are a couple jumping off points for you.

Exploring the relationship between all-cause and cardiac-related mortality following COVID-19 vaccination or infection in Florida residents: a self-controlled case series study

Who wrote this? Has it passed peer review? To what academic body are they associated, and what credentials do they have?
WTF are "within-person comparisons"? How did they link data from FLSHOTS, Merlin, and "vital statistics" when all these databases anonymize their data in line with privacy laws? Why is this paper referencing other papers which have also not passed peer review?

The paper does not appear to be credible or scientific.

N o general vaccination against covid-19 among children 5-11 years

This page from the Swedish Public Health Agency recommends against general vaccination of 5 to 11 year olds but does recommend general vaccination of children 12 and older.

I cannot see how that supports arguments against overall general use of the vaccines in anyone aged more that 12 years.

There is much clinical and scientific data that shows the benefits are significant and the risks are vanishingly small.

Where?

Safety & effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines: A narrative review

Real-world effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines: a literature review and meta-analysis

COVID-19 Vaccine Safety | Harvard Medical School

There are stacks more. I'm somewhat surprised that someone trolling for negative articles hasn't noticed all the ones promoting the vaccines.

He has also consistently spoken out against masks and lock-downs... It doesn't sound as if it is science that is behind what he says.

Fauci started off saying that masks and lock-downs were unnecessary. Then the "science" he was using changed. In Florida we just went back to normal a lot faster no worse for wear (and that was under the previous Surgeon General, Scott Rivkees).

Science does that, change I mean. However, what Fauci said didn't change. What some commentators said he said, did. That's how Chinese whispers work when the chain is hundreds deep.

If this person is wrong, and they block all attempts at medical mitigations against the disease in areas under their authority, people will die unnecessarily. He should be held responsible.

Nothing is being blocked. Nothing is being forced or mandated either. All the options are still there for those that want them.

You just said that Florida abandoned masks, at the height of a freakin' epidemic! LOL.

Florida coronavirus cases and deaths - USA Facts

originally posted by: igloo

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: chr0naut

The implication is that this sorry state of affairs is being played out all over the world. You can believe in science or you can believe in political science. www.bitchute.com...

Do you think that the video's shown on Bullchute are science - political or otherwise? LOL.

There is no moderation on Bullchute. Anyone can distribute whatever they want there. The site exists primarily for shock value and sensationalism and the more boring content gets voted down. They make their money on clicks and advertising. This is the way most social media operates and it guarantees that the highest rated content is also the most sensationalist and therefore untrustworthy.

Do you understand that all mainstream sources like youtube, facebook, news media are censored?

Yes. I suppose they have been. These days, however, all they seem to be doing is including a disclaimer about the factuality of opinions posted.

But even if they are censored to death, do you think that it adds any validity to Bullchute's content and algorithms that promote the sensational, and does it make things posted on Bullchute any more likely to be true?

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: chr0naut

The implication is that this sorry state of affairs is being played out all over the world. You can believe in science or you can believe in political science. www.bitchute.com...

Do you think that the video's shown on Bullchute are science - political or otherwise? LOL.

This shows the most infantile understanding of multiple concepts.

The URL or platform of where is a video is stored and hosted has zero to do with its content. The first amendment is based on the free expression of information, not government censorship like in China or like what YouTube does literally for the government. You must hate ATS because its a lot like bitchute in that it tries to be a free speech platform. Why do you even post here?

For the occasionally erudite, sparkling, and challenging debate. Why else?

originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: anonentity

But...but...think of Pfizer's profits!!!

Have you no sympathy for their declining earnings....so cruel....

How can they do such a thing??
The guys were moving at the speed of science making $81.3bn for the year 2021 and are expected to make more than $100bn for 2022.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: cmdrkeenkid

originally posted by: chr0naut
What science is he using to support his opinions?

Here are a couple jumping off points for you.

Exploring the relationship between all-cause and cardiac-related mortality following COVID-19 vaccination or infection in Florida residents: a self-controlled case series study

Who wrote this? Has it passed peer review? To what academic body are they associated, and what credentials do they have?
WTF are "within-person comparisons"? How did they link data from FLSHOTS, Merlin, and "vital statistics" when all these databases anonymize their data in line with privacy laws? Why is this paper referencing other papers which have also not passed peer review?

The paper does not appear to be credible or scientific.

N o general vaccination against covid-19 among children 5-11 years

This page from the Swedish Public Health Agency recommends against general vaccination of 5 to 11 year olds but does recommend general vaccination of children 12 and older.

I cannot see how that supports arguments against overall general use of the vaccines in anyone aged more that 12 years.

There is much clinical and scientific data that shows the benefits are significant and the risks are vanishingly small.

Where?

Safety & effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines: A narrative review

Real-world effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines: a literature review and meta-analysis

COVID-19 Vaccine Safety | Harvard Medical School

There are stacks more. I'm somewhat surprised that someone trolling for negative articles hasn't noticed all the ones promoting the vaccines.

He has also consistently spoken out against masks and lock-downs... It doesn't sound as if it is science that is behind what he says.

Fauci started off saying that masks and lock-downs were unnecessary. Then the "science" he was using changed. In Florida we just went back to normal a lot faster no worse for wear (and that was under the previous Surgeon General, Scott Rivkees).

Science does that, change I mean. However, what Fauci said didn't change. What some commentators said he said, did. That's how Chinese whispers work when the chain is hundreds deep.

If this person is wrong, and they block all attempts at medical mitigations against the disease in areas under their authority, people will die unnecessarily. He should be held responsible.

Nothing is being blocked. Nothing is being forced or mandated either. All the options are still there for those that want them.

You just said that Florida abandoned masks, at the height of a freakin' epidemic! LOL.

Florida coronavirus cases and deaths - USA Facts

I think as usual you are living in a denial.
I made a thread about Florida's approach to the whole matter. Governing Desantis has said there would be no mandates for children and it looks there would be no mandates in general.

Dr Ladapo the State Surgeon General together with his team have recommended against mRNA products for children and for 18-39 year old males. It's new guidance given by the Department of Health in Florida.

It comes as a shock to the pharmaceuticals and to the vaccine ideologists who want to vaccinate everyone and everything with their potentially hazardous products who have never been proven to be safe and effective. Unless you know the medium and long term effects? The benefit to risk ratio in each age group?

But they were moving at the speed of science and they didn't have to check much as long as the $100bn revenue is made...

originally posted by: chr0naut
Who wrote this? Has it passed peer review? To what academic body are they associated, and what credentials do they have?

The information is within the paper. Try reading it.

The paper does not appear to be credible or scientific.

What are your credentials to make that determination? What academic body are you affiliated with?

However, what Fauci said didn't change.

March 2020: Dr. Anthony Fauci talks with Dr Jon LaPook about Covid-19 8 March 2020

Right now, in the United States, people should not be walking around with masks... There's no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you're in the middle of an outbreak wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better, and it might even block a droplet, but it is not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is.

Fauci says he wears mask as ‘symbol’ of good behavior 27 May 2020

Fauci also said he chooses to wear a face covering “because I want to make it be a symbol for people to see that that’s the kind of thing you should be doing.”

Very scientific basis for masking. Good to know the virus could be combated by virtue signaling.

Fauci mocked ‘ass-backwards’ diners for taking off masks at table: book 20 September 2022

“[I]n January 2020, [Fauci] said the virus was nothing to worry about for the American people. Then in the months that followed, he said that people should not wear masks and that they were ineffective. By June or July, he had changed his tune and said everyone should be very concerned and that they should wear multiple masks — and goggles,” Morgenstern wrote.

“I vividly recall my blood boiling during an infuriating meeting in the Roosevelt Room of the White House, when Fauci laughed about his own goggles comment, making it clear how cynical he was and that he could get people to believe anything,” the former aide continued.

“He went on to laugh about how ‘ass-backwards’ it was that people entered a restaurant wearing a mask, then sat down and conversed with people without a mask. Of course, he wasn’t saying things to that effect publicly, just laughing privately at the American rubes he was fooling.”

You want to mention trolling? Fauci managed to troll the nation for a second time in his life!

There are stacks more.

You just said that Florida abandoned masks, at the height of a freakin' epidemic!

These 12 Graphs Show Mask Mandates Do Nothing To Stop Covid

The only thing that was abandoned in Florida was mandates. People are still free to get shots. People are still free to isolate themselves. People are still free to wear masks. And people still choose to do take those actions.

Most importantly, people are free to choose.

originally posted by: cmdrkeenkid

originally posted by: chr0naut
Who wrote this? Has it passed peer review? To what academic body are they associated, and what credentials do they have?

The information is within the paper. Try reading it.

The paper does not appear to be credible or scientific.

What are your credentials to make that determination? What academic body are you affiliated with?

However, what Fauci said didn't change.

March 2020: Dr. Anthony Fauci talks with Dr Jon LaPook about Covid-19 8 March 2020

Right now, in the United States, people should not be walking around with masks... There's no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you're in the middle of an outbreak wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better, and it might even block a droplet, but it is not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is.

Fauci says he wears mask as ‘symbol’ of good behavior 27 May 2020

Fauci also said he chooses to wear a face covering “because I want to make it be a symbol for people to see that that’s the kind of thing you should be doing.”

Very scientific basis for masking. Good to know the virus could be combated by virtue signaling.

Fauci mocked ‘ass-backwards’ diners for taking off masks at table: book 20 September 2022

“[I]n January 2020, [Fauci] said the virus was nothing to worry about for the American people. Then in the months that followed, he said that people should not wear masks and that they were ineffective. By June or July, he had changed his tune and said everyone should be very concerned and that they should wear multiple masks — and goggles,” Morgenstern wrote.

“I vividly recall my blood boiling during an infuriating meeting in the Roosevelt Room of the White House, when Fauci laughed about his own goggles comment, making it clear how cynical he was and that he could get people to believe anything,” the former aide continued.

“He went on to laugh about how ‘ass-backwards’ it was that people entered a restaurant wearing a mask, then sat down and conversed with people without a mask. Of course, he wasn’t saying things to that effect publicly, just laughing privately at the American rubes he was fooling.”

You want to mention trolling? Fauci managed to troll the nation for a second time in his life!

There are stacks more.

You just said that Florida abandoned masks, at the height of a freakin' epidemic!

These 12 Graphs Show Mask Mandates Do Nothing To Stop Covid

The only thing that was abandoned in Florida was mandates. People are still free to get shots. People are still free to isolate themselves. People are still free to wear masks. And people still choose to do take those actions.

Most importantly, people are free to choose.

For your second question I can say with confidence that the answer is none.

I am quite astonished that reviews, papers, and journals are now branded as not credible and unscientific. In the meantime the new guidance from the Department of Health in Florida is that 18-39 year old males should not use the mRNA products due to serious health concerns.

Dr Ladapo doesn't recommend these vaccines for children either.

My view is that these vaccines should have never been rolled out in the young and healthy populations as there was no need and equally import these products are not safe and effective as their safety and effectiveness hasn't been proven.

a reply to: anonentity

Of course, the risk for most people are 1-3 days of mild flu like symptoms, which is comparable to the flu shot.

If you're a male under 35 you have a 0.02 percent chance of mild breathlessness and palpitations for 1-5 days, requiring at most over the counter pain killers and bed rest.

The risk of anything more serious is around 0.002 percent.

See the last couple of links in my signature, plus the Israeli study for sources.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Of course, the risk for most people are 1-3 days of mild flu like symptoms, which is comparable to the flu shot.

The Flu shots dont cause heart inflation.. Or heart pains.

Comparing this to the flu shots is a bit amusing.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: anonentity

Of course, the risk for most people are 1-3 days of mild flu like symptoms, which is comparable to the flu shot.

If you're a male under 35 you have a 0.02 percent chance of mild breathlessness and palpitations for 1-5 days, requiring at most over the counter pain killers and bed rest.

The risk of anything more serious is around 0.002 percent.

See the last couple of links in my signature, plus the Israeli study for sources.

Some links will be highly appreciated.
No signatures though.