NHS deliberately overloaded so more die of strokes and heart attacks - depopulation..?

originally posted by: Kurokage

I was really shocked when I found out it costs $30,000 to $50,000 to give birth in America if you're not insured!?

I was shocked to learn that in England they eat their young! About as true as your statement above. The full average cost is 15k, but outside of rich people everyone is covered, so with our 4 million births per year no one is going in debt.

Where do you get these crazy ideas anyways? My two kids cost me ZERO...

a reply to: Xtrozero

Uninsured or insured, child birth is free at point of use in the UK.
I also did state uninsured in my post....

The Guardian

But one 2013 study by the the advocacy group Childbirth Connection found that, on average, hospitals charged $32,093 for an uncomplicated vaginal birth and newborn care, and $51,125 for a standard caesarean section and newborn care. Insurance typically covers a large chunk of those costs, but families are still often on the hook for thousands of dollars.

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
It's almost like the clot shots are overloading the ER.

It's like sloppy joe exported
obamacare

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
It's almost like the clot shots are overloading the ER.

It's like sloppy joe exported
obamacare

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
Here in the UK, 47 minutes is the current average waiting time for an ambulance if you have had a stroke or heart attack.

Barristers and head shrinks shouldn't be allowed to advertise on billboards. Skip the eggs and bacon most mornings and have oatmeal for breakfast, a leaner meat for lunch. Get some exercise. I thought the Brits rode horses or hunted deer in the countryside occasionally.

When Labour were in they threw cash at the NHS and in return the NHS hired lots of managers and admin staff for the managers. My local hospital used to have two alcoves at the end of every ward where you could sit and wait for visiting. All of these alcoves are now offices for some manager or other.

The boomer generation have also been pretty selfish by getting older, nobody could have foreseen that a baby boom would be followed by them getting older many years later. No worries while they worked and paid taxes earning their pensions, loads of problems now they want to relax in their earned retirement and have their ageing ailments treated.

The NHS also has veered away from dealing with genuine illness and if you know the magic words you can have all sorts of treatments at the tax payers expense.

That isn’t the full extent of the woes of the NHS, it would take a day to write them all, basically the more money you throw at the NHS the more money is wasted. I believe government want a private system, which we speed towards every day. Just this last year I have paid for tests and a chiropractor (made it worse) because going to see my GP would have not only been a mission in itself but wouldn’t have helped treat my issues anyway.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

No one has considered that if this goes on at this steady decline and there is no populace uprising when Putin walks in he will be welcomed simply because things have got so desperate hey presto! a new system is installed.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

First of all; I have only read your OP and not the whole thread yet so apologies if I'm just going over covered ground etc.

The NHS is being undermined for one reason and one reason only; Privatisation.
The Tories and the elites who they serve and represent are determined to privatise the NHS by any means possible in order to generate even more profit for people who already have an obscene amount of wealth.

Now its not something I've touched on here on ATS but last winter I spent in total 42 days in hospital - I don't want to go into the details but it wasn't Covid or anything like that.

The NHS is riddled with red tape and bureaucracy.
The waste is staggering.....and its all exacerbated by serial mis-management at all levels as far as I can see.

It has been under-funded for years and the search for profit and cost-cutting - especially during those wonderful years of Austerity that we are going back to - has contributed to inadequate materials and equipment being sourced.

And some of the stories I've heard relating to how medical suppliers and Big Pharma gain contracts are truly shocking.

Yes, the NHS needs a bit of a overhaul and in some ways dragging into the 21st Century.....but privatisation must be resisted at all costs.
If there is a conspiracy its aim is to undermine public confidence and faith in the NHS in order to justify privatisation which will only benefit medical suppliers and Big Pharma....the same companies that strangely enough many senior politicians and family members are shareholders in and have prominent roles in.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Never attribute to malice that which can more easily explained through incompetence.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

have a strong sense that it is being done on purpose, WEF-inspired doctrine at every level in which they have penetrated the cabinet, and the government more broadly, we're drowning in the left wing ideology which offers a breeding ground for Klaus Schwab's poisonous doctrine

Then you have not read up on the subject, this has been a problem in the UK for decades.

The UK has a problem in that the system is supposed to do everything for everyone. Which means that money and other resources are stretched thinner and thinner every year as more people demand more things.

For example schools in the UK used to provide free lunches to poor child during term time.

Today they're being expected to provide them during the holidays too. Yet this money needs to come from somewhere so another service has had its budget reduced, or someone else has their taxes raised.

It's the same everywhere in the UK that the government provides a service. The money is being divided between ever more things.

Ask yourself how much the government is spending on diversity training, or mental health services for convicted pedophiles, or policing twitter to protect people from being misgendered.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

As for ambulance wait times:
When I had my pubs one of them was about a mile away from the local hospital - the largest hospital in the county.
One night a customer had some sort of seizure and we phoned an ambulance for her.
It took over an hour to come.

The 999 call went through a sort of triage process and I was transferred to somewhere that dealt with all the Trust ambulance requests.
This is in a town 12 miles away which then apparently prioritises requests.
The ambulance they sent was from the town 12 miles away.......

A friend of mine came into the pub just after the woman took ill, my friend is some sort of senior nurse and she took command of the situation and dealt with the call and the customer.

The point is; there were ambulances stood still one mile up the road whilst they fannied about doing who knows what for an hour?

No-one has ever given me a rational explanation why these sort of things happen.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Ask yourself how much the government is spending on diversity training, or mental health services for convicted pedophiles, or policing twitter to protect people from being misgendered.

The thing is, too many people do not ask themselves that.

With another round of Austerity looming its the old, weak, infirm, vulnerable and needy who will be targeted most all in order to pay for the serial mis-management by a Tory government.
And at the same time the richest in our society continue to prosper and actively seek to benefit from other people's miseries.
The myth that trickle down economics works is constantly trotted out to justify this - its usually spun or sugar coated as something new and innovative but you can't polish a turd.

Billions upon billions drain out of this country every year thanks to the selling off of our 'family silver'.
Instead of hemorrhaging money out of the country it should be getting re-invested in our NHS, Schools and infrastructure etc.
But no....its all about profit.

The NHS needs to be ran efficiently and professionally....but we have to resist all attempts to privatise it.

a reply to: anonentity

Putin is never going to walk in here and he would never be welcomed.

Many have tried, no-one has succeeded....well at least not in the last thousand years or so!

a reply to: Freeborn

Yup. Both Labour under PFI/PPP and Tories more overtly have ransacked NHS funding and have caused a lot of harm. Most paramedics I know advise against using the 111 service as it's privatised and send out ambulances for jobs that can easilly be treated at home.

If someone has family members who are vulnerable or have severe conditions or history of falls/strokes it's worth looking into local 'Lifeline' or 'Telecare' services which are free direct phonelines that hook up to 'drop watches' or pendants so if they have a fall an ambulance arrives within 8 minutes and paramedics have a key to the house and knowlege f pre-exiasting condition/medications so can treat immediately and massively increase chances of full recovery.

www.telecarechoice.co.uk... - not sure why it says £12 a month on the site as the service is free here (Lancs).

The service alerts relatives if the person has had an accident, forgotten medication, is in need of assistance, hasn't moved for a while etc and offers great peace of mind in my experience.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Kurokage

I was really shocked when I found out it costs $30,000 to $50,000 to give birth in America if you're not insured!?

I was shocked to learn that in England they eat their young! About as true as your statement above. The full average cost is 15k, but outside of rich people everyone is covered, so with our 4 million births per year no one is going in debt.

Where do you get these crazy ideas anyways? My two kids cost me ZERO...

You obviously do not have the pleasure of being owned by Walmart or Amazon, or any of the other low wage companies who provide bargain basement plans that cover virtually nothing.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

You obviously do not have the pleasure of being owned by Walmart or Amazon, or any of the other low wage companies who provide bargain basement plans that cover virtually nothing.

Amazon benefits...

Benfits

Walmart is about the same... I'm not a fan of Walmart, but it is a services type industry that pay low because the jobs are low skilled and margins are minimal.

BTW what do you mean "owned" , you are not working for the coal mine for 30 years....

A very important question coming. But first the hidden way they are causing these shortages, which no one seems to get, is:- an example:- in 1970 a town has 2000 residents of them maybe 1% need regular hospital treatment. That's 20 people. Now 2022 the same town now has 10,000 people and 1% of that is 100 people, BUT it's the same hospital with the same amount of beds, there is always going to be a shortage.

Now for the question:- it stems from her days when she really sold the nations silver. IF ANY company or institution owned by the public we are always told that they are not good for purpose, work at a loss etc. Then tell me just WHY would a private company but a failing thing. There again no need to answer I already know.

a reply to: crayzeed

www.kingsfund.org.uk...

It's not that simple.

Medical care advances like day surgery and care of elderly patients has reduced the need for hospital beds quite a lot.

So NHS beds have fallen drastically since the 80s.

It's an interesting read.

There have been a few new hospitals since the 70s.

a reply to: crayzeed

A very valid point; I live in one the fastest growing towns in the country, private housing springing up,all over the place - I have no idea where they are all working because there's no new employers etc.
There's even an 'environmental community' being manufactured right next to where I live.
But no new schools.
No new doctors surgeries.
No new hospital.

And no, you don't have to elaborate on why there was/is a rush to invest in all those industries that were sold off.