Benevolent ET world socialist regime

There is a book that foretells this kind of thing. All who want to be part of this will have a mark that grants access, and it will seem wonderful for a time, but it will start to break down. And terrible things will be done to those who don't go in on it. The ETs are not your friend, but they will be able to make the trains run on time ... for a while at least.

originally posted by: quodlibet
a reply to: Lysergic

"Vision/dream is meaningless."

No. It's the other way around. Dreams can be adventures one has had on the Other Side.

Visions tend to be more intense.

They usually just pop into my head during regular waking hours or when I write. Not so much in dreams.

When I write it's more like channeling.

I've just never had the desire to develop it.

If everything is free and there is no money then why do the people volunteer to work to serve other people food?

The only way humans can work together is through incentive. These socialist Utopias can never exist even though I loved Star Trek and the world it proposed.

If you have no money and you stick 20 people on an island and 18 of those people hunt and grow crops but 2 people just smoke pot on the beach should those 2 people also be provided food? How is that fair to the 18 people that worked for months to grow crops and hunt?

There is never anything free besides Jesus and someone had to put work in to create, produce and distribute food.
When those people see that others are leaching off them they will not make food for those people

originally posted by: quodlibet
a reply to: Annee

"like you said -- the powers that be were never seen."

This suggests that my dream is not just a fantasy but that it shows a procedure that can be seen elsewhere in the galaxy.

Yes, my thinking as well.

My "collective" was self-contained and controlled. Nothing bad -- but no freedom to go elsewhere.

a reply to: Brassmonkey

The great problem with collectivist philosophies. They fail to account for human nature.

The only way they can work is in very small groups with very tight and personal social bonds of trust and accountability one to another. The larger a group gets, the harder it is to form and maintain those bonds.

originally posted by: St Udio

originally posted by: quodlibet
a reply to: Annee

"like you said -- the powers that be were never seen."

This suggests that my dream is not just a fantasy but that it shows a procedure that can be seen elsewhere in the galaxy.

 

back in the late 1980s 'They Live' as Sci-Fi movie was released...the 'story' involved Aliens disguised as normal humans to the un-aided eye

(special glasses nullified the holographic disguise the unseen Aliens needed to 'look' human..& control the masses)

your Alien visitors may be using a similar deception as that classic Roddy Piper action/sci-fi/ movie of '88

Yes, I've seen that. I like Mystery Science Theater 3000.

But, in this collective TPTB are remote.

I saw small pieces of meat that looked tasty and almost took one, wanting to eat it right then and there, something that people in the line were also allowed to do.

Did they also serve human flesh? Have you had dreams with cannibalistic themes?

Years ago I stopped eating all kinds of flesh, except fish flesh (and insects).

While I don't believe diet matters that much for average people's spirituality, I must draw attention to an ancient belief among Platonists which justified eating birds, but rejected fish, as well as swine and cattle. The explanation for this was that the former turn heavenward, the latter travels downward, while the terrestrial beasts never take interest in what's going on above them. Interpreted: this was analogous for idealists, criminals, and city-dwelling masses.

Philosophical and religious reasons for abstinence aside, there are probably a great deal of health risks to consuming fish (especially raw), considering the extent of ocean pollution. You might be better off with freshwater fish.

This is not seen in the Far East, where fish is preferred.

You haven't taken into account the difference between the bodies of Westerners and Orientals. The latter have had plenty of time to adapt to fish and more exotic delicacies.

Secretary of State Henry Kissinger once said that the Japanese smelled of fish, but he was probably just wanting to be nasty,

How could you possibly know what was on his mind when he delivered that statement? I ran a quick search and literally the first result was about the Japanese increasingly reconsidering their fish diet on account of its smell.

Certainly he is unfit for diplomacy, clearly has beef with the Japanese and a record of making frank statements. However, the members of his race in high positions (i.e. Henry Morgenthau III, George Weidenfeld) were often keen observers. Not everything is delivered in a moment of immoderation.

Regarding your butter anecdote, similar observations were made regarding the Tibetan people by the earliest visitors (who weren't jesuitical).

This is somewhat like time traveler Al Bielek's story (but his version had no ETs), but he was probably just another impostor, like so many others who have claimed to be time travelers.

Actually, I think some of Bielek's claims deserve consideration, particularly his 2020-2025 prediction about American coastlines being submerged. Just a few more years and we'll see if it comes true or not.

It's worth noting that his name and the name he insisted was his real name (Edward Cameron) share the same numerological value (number 13, with matching surnames, 18 and 27 respectively add up to number 9), implying that he was someone who could've made a huge impact on the material aspect of society.

Contactees say that getting involved is against the rules for the good ETs,

Allegedly, there are nature spirits which could obliterate half of humanity, but refrain from doing so. Nuclear war can be prevented if contemporary science penetrates into their world in time and are made to realize that nuclear energy has vast applications.

There are also allegedly higher beings in the physical world based in Tibet, but no outsiders are welcome into their abode.

So it might be best for Russia to try to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, which will force them to play the part of a "deus ex machina" who will finally solve all our problems

Nope, they won't intervene on behalf of the whole species in the event of nuclear war. Viktor Schauberger pointed out in Our Senseless Toil that it was not only foreseen, but arranged for, that mankind in their madness would obtain nuclear weapons to guarantee their own destruction.

Besides, god doesn't do what man must do. The societal relief will eventually come from highlanders, shepherds, and farmers of peasant stock dwelling in the mountains, and hikers who were drawn there long before city folk started fleeing into the mountains.

A long time ago I realized that the answer to the question "if it's true that they're here, why do they hide?" is this: they're telepathic, and thus mind readers, so for us their presence would be embarrassing.

They conceal themselves from the majority because they'd rub off of them the wrong way. Just being in their presence stimulates people prematurely.

But a few years ago the Pope surprised everyone when he said that World War III had already started, so one wonders if it's true that at Fatima that war was anticipated,

He ought to have said WW2 never properly ended. As for WW3, that begins from the exact moment a bloodthirsty someone plans their revenge on the world.

According to Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi, WW2 actually began in 1918-1919. It was also sensed by Stalin before Fall 1939, and according to Ribbentrop, he had already made up his mind on the matter.

It's curious how Catholics revere Fatima, but reject Johannes Friede's prophecy which goes into greater detail.

Fatima is probably genuine, first she affirms the Pyrocentric model of the ancients and secondly she anticipates an unknown light (reportedly sighted in America during Spring 2020 (it couldn't have been confused for Venus), in relation to a phenomenon known as "rotting season" which is supposed to be confined to the Nordic countries.

just as Polish nun St. Faustina later on predicted World War II.

What makes Faustina particularly stand out from other saints? I've studied hundreds of prophecies and hadn't even heard about her world war predictions.

Besides, there's a world of difference between Marian apparitions and claims to have seen Jesus. The former are genuine, the latter are almost always impersonators. She received orders to depict Jesus in white garments with red rays emanating from his heart. If Theodore Illion is to be believed, "fallen" angels wear white garments tinged with red. A contemporary account: i.imgur.com...

The Slavs were treated as an inferior race that had to be eliminated, so it's odd that now we see Ukranians imitating their former worst enemy, who surely still believes that they are worthless stock.

According to Hans Baur, the Ukrainians had sent a delegation to Hitler requesting admission into the Third Reich and had been turned down. It's possible their most radical elements are bitter about what could've been.

On the one hand, Azov ideology/terrorism is obviously manufactured by the American government, much like ISIL, Al Queda, etc. On the other hand, the Ukrainian nationalism was manifestly false to begin with, so Azov merely serves as a distraction, much like what Zionism does for Orthodox Judaism.

originally posted by: ketsuko
There is a book that foretells this kind of thing. All who want to be part of this will have a mark that grants access, and it will seem wonderful for a time, but it will start to break down. And terrible things will be done to those who don't go in on it. The ETs are not your friend, but they will be able to make the trains run on time ... for a while at least.

Are TPTB ever your friend?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ketsuko
There is a book that foretells this kind of thing. All who want to be part of this will have a mark that grants access, and it will seem wonderful for a time, but it will start to break down. And terrible things will be done to those who don't go in on it. The ETs are not your friend, but they will be able to make the trains run on time ... for a while at least.

Are TPTB ever your friend?

You seem quite happy with them at present.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ketsuko
There is a book that foretells this kind of thing. All who want to be part of this will have a mark that grants access, and it will seem wonderful for a time, but it will start to break down. And terrible things will be done to those who don't go in on it. The ETs are not your friend, but they will be able to make the trains run on time ... for a while at least.

Are TPTB ever your friend?

You seem quite happy with them at present.

ASSumption.

I am anti-Trump. That's it.

I'm sorry about the delay. The explanation must be placed after the replies to all the new comments.

originally posted by: vance
Well if you follow anything by Steven Greer, it's a good bet your vision is indeed a dream, caused by an hyper imagination, fueled by an obsession of an unproven scenario - Aliens actually existing, much less visiting our beautiful world. The same source for ALL things Dr. Greer keeps spewing. As long as you don't add the ingredient of greed, it's harmless 👍

The testimony of reliable witnesses, such as a former British Minister of Defense, is also evidence. Whenever one comes across fierce denials one can't say whether it's genuinely skeptical, innocent and ingenuous people or a team of those who were once involved in treasonous collaborations with malicious invaders, and maybe still are, and who hide behind pseudonyms and are constantly patrolling the discussion forums on the Net, attacking those who are aware of what's going on and making up weird stories about "shape-shifting" aliens who look like reptiles and insects. They're scared of both the public opinion that could eventually have them executed and their once (and maybe future) outer space allies.

originally posted by: ketsuko
There is a book that foretells this kind of thing. All who want to be part of this will have a mark that grants access, and it will seem wonderful for a time, but it will start to break down. And terrible things will be done to those who don't go in on it. The ETs are not your friend, but they will be able to make the trains run on time ... for a while at least.

That seems like an allusion to the last book of the New Testament (14:16-17): " ... and he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no man may buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

originally posted by: Brassmonkey
If everything is free and there is no money then why do the people volunteer to work to serve other people food?

Because the prevailing attitude would be one of general solidarity, and also gratefulness towards the benefactors, in a world where everyone would feel safe and taken care of.

a reply to: quodlibet

I guess my big canine teeth are not for eating meat but for sucking blood then?

Sorry big meat eater here, screw the bugs and rabbit food!

hjesterium said:

1) "Did they also serve human flesh? Have you had dreams with cannibalistic themes?"

"No" to both questions. Why would a people whose purpose is to save a planet be cannibalistic??? This is something to be seen only in movies, like the one about Soylent Green, unless the stories about the Grays are true.

2) "(...) there are probably a great deal of health risks to consuming fish (especially raw), considering the extent of ocean pollution. You might be better off with freshwater fish."

Now only freshwater fish from places far away from the big cities are safe to eat. Vietnam is exporting to the rest of the world its "Pangasius", which it fishes in the Mekong River, one of the most polluted rivers. They've been warning us all lately that tunafish has large amounts of mercury because it is at the top of the food chain. The concentration of toxins increases as you move up the chain. Then there's the tastiest fish I've ever eaten, the canned smoked kippers in sunflower oil (Irish and German brands), but they also tell us that smoked foodstuff is on the list of carcinogenic foods and that it can cause gastric cancer, like salt and hot liquids.

Can there be any healthy "organic" food anymore on a soiled planet Earth? DDT had been found even in the poles.

Note: The first actor who was the superheroe Black Panther of the Kingdom of Wakanda (see the IMDb trailer of the new movie of the series, "Wakanda Forever") died from colon cancer. Meat is not worth it. He could have lived another 60 yrs. It seems to be killing more people than tobacco and alcohol put together. This has nothing to do with "spiritual" progress, whatever that implies.

3) "How could you possibly know what was on his mind when he delivered that statement? I ran a quick search and literally the first result was about the Japanese increasingly reconsidering their fish diet on account of its smell."

Humans are not reliable sniffers. Their stereotypes get in the way. We need here someone with a scientific background in physiology and we also need a team of trained dogs so that we can find out whether some people smell like a fish. At least we all know, since it's obvious, that eating large amounts of raw garlic every day will make you smell like garlic. No one knows why the ancient Egyptians disliked eating fish if they could, but historians suspect that it was because fish stink. It was eaten only by the poorest people.

4) "(...) the members of his race in high positions (i.e. Henry Morgenthau III, George Weidenfeld) were often keen observers."

He was probably the grandson of the Henry Morgenthau who was ambassador in Turkey from 1913 to 1916 and tried to stop the massacre of thousands of Armenians there, the first genocide of the 20th century, encouraged by the Germans while they were planning to start a world war, as told in his book AMBASSADOR MORGENTHAU'S STORY (1918), which I read yrs. ago. His grandson was elected District Attorney in N.Y. with the help of a grateful Armenian community.

This is linked to what we have been discussing here. The book tells how the Germans convinced the Turks that their Armenians had to be exterminated before the coming war because otherwise during the war they would take advantage of the situation and betray the Turks. Thus they invented the modern "total war" concept, which treats civilians as a military target. That war led to the next one, as you say Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi claimed, but it seems like all historians accept it as a fact. They also mention "the seamless raiment of history", which means that the chain of causality is never interrupted and one can trace it back in time indefinitely.

A World War III could be ascribed to World War II, which World War I had made inevitable, and that first world war probably had causes that take us back to the previous century, and so on, until we reach ancient times, and even prehistoric times, and prehominid times. Ultimately the first cell in its "primordial soup" must take the blame for everything, unless the story takes us all the way back to a Big Bang, but that hypothetical event might not be the starting point either, and there might be no starting point in time and space.

5) "Viktor Schauberger pointed out in Our Senseless Toil that it was not only foreseen, but arranged for, that mankind in their madness would obtain nuclear weapons to guarantee their own destruction."

Schauberger's book is available at the Internet Archive website and easy to download, but it would take anyone a long time to find where it is that he says that a nuclear war was part of the Grand Plan of the Builder of Worlds. It seems like he had access to the Akashic Records, then, or he knew about Johannes Friede, or the Book of The Revelation of St. John the Divine, a.k.a. the Apocalypse, where the fourth angel "was given power to scorch men with fire", inspired him. At the beginning Schauberger says that he has discovered a procedure that will allow him to do fantastic things. Nowhere does he explain exactly what that procedure is. He sounds like an alchemist who never had any gold to show.

6) "Fatima is probably genuine, first she affirms the Pyrocentric model of the ancients (...)"

What link could there possibly be between the Fatima prophecies and Philolaus of Croton's odd ancient model of the Solar System???

7) "What makes Faustina particularly stand out from other saints? I've studied hundreds of prophecies and hadn't even heard about her world war predictions."

Father Goring's YouTube channel includes a video about her prophecies.

8) "(...) there's a world of difference between Marian apparitions and claims to have seen Jesus. The former are genuine, the latter are almost always impersonators."

A former classmate of mine I've already mentioned elsewhere, whose parents were Texan Baptists and who is now a Messianic Jew, believes that "Marian apparitions" are all fake events to be ascribed to evil entities, that demons, too, can do supernatural healings and that the Virgin Mary as venerated by Catholics is a modern version of the Queen of Heaven that the Hebrew people worshipped when they still practiced idolatry. Messianic Jews are not truly Jewish but entirely Christian, whereas authentic Jews believe that Jesus was just another of the many preachers afflicted in those days with mystical madness who had magical powers like those of the Egyptian wizards and Rasputin, the Russian monk who seems to have been more demonic than saintly. It's not for me to say who is mistaken as concerns this messy and scary matter.

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I was unable to find anything about the "rotting season". The only rotten thing in the Nordic countries that I know of is rotten shark, which some people enjoy eating and makes other people throw up. Rotten potatoes in some Andean countries might be tastier.

The Pentagon, not the NASA, mentioned pregnancies. See the topic titled "UFOs left 'radiation burns' and 'unaccounted for pregnancies', new Pentagon report claims" at Space.com (April 2022).
This is so unexpected that it's as though the Pentagon had finally decided to prepare us for the news that we're being watched and preyed on by frightful creatures, that the Armed Forces are just as scared and helpless as we the civilians are, that so far they have refused to tell us because it's terrifying news, as many people have suspected, and that there are certain precautions that we must take because the harmless ones refuse to do anything about it, since they think that it's our lot to be mistreated just as we mistreat each other. This would be the Zoo Hypothesis. The galaxy is a zoo and Earth is one of the cages.
Events in Roswell, New Mexico, and South Africa show that laser ray cannons can wreck their spaceships, so they'll have to explain why there's still no worldwide antispacecraft system. Maybe our rulers have been threatened and told that such a system will not be tolerated.

Why the long delay

The Wi-Fi signal here sometimes vanishes for several days. I don't even know where it comes from. It's an apartment building and the list of several wireless signals includes three with the name of a nearby lodging across the street and ocasionally one with the name of a bookshop-coffeehouse around the corner, but those four require a password. One has the cute name PIX-LINK-2.4G, another one is called VENUS, and there's one called iPHONE.

Only one needs no password and it tends to be weak and unreliable. It's available only in the bathroom! This is probably the only such case in the entire Milky Way, something for a Guinness Book of Galactic Records.

I have had to go with a tablet to a huge supermarket located about 20 blocks away that has such a strong signal that the thing catches it even if you're outside standing next to its big shopwindows, but I'm now inside in its coffeeshop because it was also time to fill the pantry once again.

The explanation was so that no one will think that the tardiness was due to laziness or indifference, and also so that someone else will please confess that (s)he, too, is stealing bandwidth from a neighbor and slowing down her/his connection to the Net. It will make me feel better.

Coincidentally, just last month someone made a poll all over the world that asked "have you used a neighbor's Wi-Fi signal?" A radio station introduced the news with the phrase "Countries where Wi-Fi is stolen more often". Japan was at the top of the list, with 28 % replying "yes". The Netherlands was second, with 16 % (there they didn't ask whether they used the password with the owner's consent), Mexico was third, with 14 % (they used it with or without authorization), Argentina fourth (10 %).

One of the journalists explained that "many people have routers that have no password". He also said that the provider should make sure that the signal will be perceived everywhere in the apartment, but if the strength is increased then some neighbors might be able to use it.
Their lady journalist sounded furious and called people who do what I do "impudent" ("barefaced"). It was disturbing and scary, like being threatened by the school principal. She made me feel like a criminal. In my present somewhat dire circumstances I have no choice. I must sin and bear it, and feel thankful for having manna from the skies dropping straight onto the bathroom.

This is such a broad subject that it has derailed me, so someone else ought to start a discussion about it at ATS, or maybe it has already been discussed here. I didn't even mention Musk. Several of my fellow scoundrels, the shameless Wi-Fi thieves, must be wondering whether a Starlink sat signal will be easy to steal.

Managing a discussion here is an exhausting full-time job. I'll start another one only if there's another dream that seems to be like a sneak preview of coming attractions.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Lysergic

I guess we'll have to have a little gated island for those that like to war and struggle, that like to hord material and can't share. Those that like to dominate and rule over others.

I think once the world is one if ever, that's as much freedom you'll get.

It's still not sure if we'll make it a oneway trip only, because we know you can change but we're also extremly sadistic.

The world already tried that. It was called Australia.

a reply to: Bishop2199

There, they brought the ones that went against those described.