Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 3

This vid shows a MASSIVE attack on some kind of vast Russian missile/ammo storage area.
The cook offs just keep on going-even after the sun rises.

The video gives the location as "235 miles east of Moscow"

Possibly the most explosive event of the war that I have seen video of at least-It looks like multiple volcanos erupting all at once...30 000 tins of munitions went up according to the vid.

If that doesn't make a dent in Russian supplies,I don't know what will-

a reply to: onestonemonkey

Thankfully those munitions won't now be going off in Ukraine.

There seem to have been a Hell of a lot of them.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: worldstarcountry

sorry I cant take anyone serious that uses the word masterpiece to describe the russian military at this point.

Yes, that's actually a good example of why that history legends guy is such a clown and can't be taken seriously. To put more context to Vuhledar for people who haven't been following closely, the fact is that Russia has wanted to take Vuhledar since the beginning of the invasion in February 2022. Russian performance has been so disastrous there in losing huge numbers of troops and armored vehicles, that the Russian general in charge of Vuhledar operations was fired last year, though it's questionable if Russia has any competent general left to take the empty places from those they fire. It's actually quite emabarrassing for Russia that they don't have Vuhledar already, considering how many resources they've already expended in failed attemts to take it, so the Russian Vuhledar embarrassment is about as far from a masterpiece as you can get.

Battle of Vuhledar

Main battle (24 January – 15 February 2023)

That's 1 and 3/4 years ago and Russia had superior armor and number of forces, and completely failed in the Battle for Vuhledar, losing a huge amount of armored vehicles in a very short period of time. Russia also lost a huge number of soldiers though some of the claims about Russian personnel losses were likely exagerrated, but even the true number of Russian losses were still far greater than Ukraine's losses.

The Ukrainian military announced almost the entire Russian 155th Naval Infantry Brigade was destroyed and Russia has lost 130 units of equipment, including 36 tanks. In the same announcement, they also claimed that the Russians were losing 150-300 marines killed per day in the battle.[63][18] General Rustam Muradov, commander of the Eastern Military District and of the Vuhledar offensive came under fire for the failure to achieve the objective.[64] On 13 February, a Russian soldier from the 3rd Company of the 155th Brigade said that 500 soldiers had been killed during one assault, and that he was one of only eight survivors from his 100-man company.[7][65] On 15 February, Ben Wallace, the British Secretary of State for Defence, said that over 1,000 Russian troops had been killed over just two days, and that an entire Russian brigade had effectively been "annihilated".[66] In a video appeal to Russian President Vladimir Putin published on 25 March 2023, around 20 members of a unit tasked with assaulting Vuhledar, identified as the Storm Squad, the 5th Brigade of the 1st Corps of the Russian 8th Army, claimed that their commanders were utilizing anti-retreat troops to force them to advance. They stated that up to 304 of its members had been killed, including the company's commander, and that 22 had been wounded.

That's just through February 15, 2023, and of course Russia has been trying to take Vuhledar ever since. Losses have been huge, and a Russian general was fired in 2023 over the disastrous failures at Vuhledar under his command:

On 14 March, a Ukrainian soldier found a notebook apparently belonging to an as-yet unnamed Russian officer. The notebook seemed to provide a daily tally of manpower in a battalion-size assault group. A hundred soldiers attacked Ukrainian positions on 2 March, according to the notes. Just 16 came back. Two days later, 116 Russians attacked. Twenty-three survived. On 4 March, 103 soldiers left their bivouac. Just 15 came back. The next day, out of 115 attackers, three returned. According to the notes, that single Russian formation lost 377 troops in just a few days.[70]

On 3 April the Moscow Times reported that the Russian general in charge of the Vuhledar offensive, Rustam Muradov, had been dismissed.[71] The British Ministry of Defence described the event as the "most senior Russian military dismissal of 2023."[72]

So of all the ridiculous things to try to brag about, Russia's performance at Vuhledar should be at the bottom of the list, but the clown at history legends thinks this almost 2 year string of failures is somehow a "masterpiece". I don't see how anybody can stand to listen to such misrepresentations. He does get a lot of pro-Russian comments to his videos, but I don't know how many are from Russian bots.

Russia was always going to eventually grind ukraine down through sheer numbers a 3 or 4-1 KD ratio isnt good enough for Ukraine to make up the difference.

this isnt a pro ukraine post, its marveling at the hoops people jump through to try and make this special military operation not look like the death of a nation.

Fair enough. Vuhledar will likely fall eventually just as Bakhmut and Avdiivka did. In those previous settlements Russia took, once they had completely levelled the towns to nothing but rubble, there wasn't much left to defend except a rubble pile, so Ukraine withdrew. That seems to be the Russian mode of operation, level a town, then when nothing is left to defend but rubble, Ukraine withdraws and Russia moves in to the rubble pile. Russia continues to take losses occupying the rubble piles since the occupying Russians also don't have much in the way of cover.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

No kidding. Every Russian assault these days is a replay of the fighting in the rubble of Stalingrad.

Cheers

18 September Update

A source within Ukrainian special services told Ukrainian outlet Suspilne on September 18 that drone operators from Ukraine's Security Service (SBU), Ukraine's Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR), and Ukraine's Special Operations Forces (SSO) struck a facility at the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) Main Missile and Artillery Directorate's 107th Arsenal in Toropets, Tver Oblast. Suspilne's sources stated the facility stores Iskander missiles, Tochka-U ballistic missiles, anti-aircraft missiles, and artillery ammunition . . .

Ukrainian forces recently advanced in Glushkovsky Raion west of the main Ukrainian salient in Kursk Oblast amid continued Ukrainian assaults in and west of the salient. Russian forces regained positions within the salient.

Russian forces recently advanced along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, within Toretsk, southwest of Donetsk City, and in eastern Zaporizhia Oblast.

More at URL above.

Cheers

a reply to: Arbitrageur
your summary was actually quite close to his own, and anyone who watched it will have heard him say exactly all those things, in the same insulting context even. Thank you for summarizing that video for us. Could you do that every time I post one?? I don't summarize the video as good as you did.

a reply to: Irishhaf
You should save the faux outrage for an audience that may actually believe it.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Arbitrageur

"I wonder how much the Russian propagandists posting here are getting paid, or do they really believe the propaganda and don't need to be paid anything because they are brainwashed?"

You might say that. I, couldn't possibly comment!

Are the two of you asking rhetorical questions to the mirror again?? You ought to stop that, people may think you gone loony.

19 September Update

Ukrainian forces recently marginally advanced in Kursk Oblast.

Ukrainian forces recently advanced near Pokrovsk, and Russian forces recently advanced near Kharkiv City, Svatove, Siversk, Chasiv Yar, Pokrovsk, and Hulyaipole.

More at URL above.

Cheers

Suchomimus does a detailed breakdown of the Toropets strikes aftermath in this video.
This weapon storage base was supposed to be nuke proof according to russia-and you can see the storage bunkers are made from huge amounts of concrete.

What the heck did Ukraine use to penetrate all that concrete?
At least one of the bunkers has small roundish holes punched through the roof but the structure remained-so the Ukes have drones that can do that now-bunker busting drones?
Impressive.

Crazy amount of destruction!

a reply to: onestonemonkey

Obviously not "nuke proof" then.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Probably "nuke proof" meant the bunkers could survive the blast wave from a nearby explosion, not a nuke directly on top of them.

Cheers

20 September Update

Russian forces recently advanced near Vovchansk, Kreminna, Toretsk, and Pokrovsk, and Ukrainian forces recently regained lost positions in Vovchansk and Siversk.

More at URL above.

Cheers

Did Ukraine destroy one of Putins newest nuclear missiles-the sarmat 2/satan in a recent strike?

Some are reporting that-

At first the hit was described as a key Russian missile and ammunition arsenal, at the 23rd GRAU arsenal, one of three hit in three days, with claims it stored S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems.
There was a virtual information blackout from the authorities on this strike, and another which exploded at Tikhoretsk, in Krasnodar region, destroying an arsenal containing vast quantities of munitions supplied to Putin by Kim Jong Un for use in the Kremlin dictator's bombardment of Ukraine. ‌
But the independent Telegram channel VChK-OGPU - with sources in the Russian security services - said that in Tver region the Ukrainians struck a “secret facility” housing a 208-ton “unstoppable” Satan-2 intercontinental missile, as large as a 14 storey tower block.

www.mirror.co.uk...

Map of location:
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If that happened-would there be a radiation release?
Of course a nuclear missile would not detonate as intended,but would just be destroyed-but may still release detectable amounts of plutonium?

If the Ukes took out one of Putins newest nukes-that would exlain the Russian media blackout on the strike.

a reply to: onestonemonkey

I would think that a 'dirty bomb' senario would happen?
www.britannica.com...

dirty bomb, explosive device designed to scatter radioactive material, hence the adjective dirty. Unlike an atomic bomb’s explosive power, which comes from a nuclear chain reaction, the explosive energy of the dirty bomb comes from ordinary conventional explosives such as dynamite or TNT. When the dirty bomb detonates, it scatters radioactive material that has been placed in close proximity to the explosives.

a reply to: Kurokage
Cheers,
I figured there would be some rads released if a nuke missile was destroyed.
From this live map,there does not seem to be any extra rads in the area of Tver.
So likely the reports are inaccurate.
radmon.org...

a reply to: onestonemonkey

Russia have had trouble getting it up lately. They've had 4 'accidents' now with the Satan 2 test launches, maybe a Ukrianian agent or sympathzier but more likely just underfunded due to bribery.

originally posted by: onestonemonkey
This vid shows a MASSIVE attack on some kind of vast Russian missile/ammo storage area.
The cook offs just keep on going-even after the sun rises.

I heard the Russian general in charge of building or upgrading that facility has been detained, because there's suspicion that it wasn't constructed to specification, maybe he stole some of the funds. People have been posting photos of his super luxury car which he probably can't afford on his salary.

After that facility was hit, two more munitions storage facilities had similar explosions. So there's a dent in Russian munitions. Maybe a big dent. We will have to see what effect it has in Russia's war with Ukraine in the coming weeks.

Satellite photos show the damage is pretty extensive:

These before-and-after satellite images capture how Ukraine has been wiping out Russian ammo depots

Newly released satellite images taken before and after the attacks reveal extensive damage at three sites.

It was hard to get good satellite imagery for a few days because there was still smoke coming from the facilities for days.

originally posted by: onestonemonkey
Did Ukraine destroy one of Putins newest nuclear missiles-the sarmat 2/satan in a recent strike?

For testing purposes, they probably install a dummy warhead, no reason to test with the real warhead.

In fact Russia has launched missiles at Ukraine capable of carrying tactical nukes, that had dummy warheads in them. The idea apparently was to overwhelm Ukraine's air defenses with more missiles than they could shoot down, so dummy warheads served that purpose.

Ukraine war: Kyiv displays dummy nuclear-capable missile fired by Russia

But the Satan 2 rockets are for carrying strategic nukes, that can destroy entire cities. Based on the latest four tests, the furthest one got was about 30 miles so they would only have been able to destroy cities inside of Russia. We have new satellite images of the last test that show a crater 60m (200 feet) wide at the Plesetsk Cosmodrome.

Images show Russia's new Sarmat missile suffered major test failure, researchers say

They still have the old Satan (1) missiles, but they are really old and the new Satan 2 missiles were supposed to replace them.
They might have a high failure rate with the old missiles by now, because, they're old, and they have a limited lifespan.

I'm sure this wasn't the news Putin wanted to hear, since he's looking weaker every day between the Kursk invasion, tons of munitions destroyed, and his nuclear saber-rattling seems weak when he has 4 failed tests in a row.

I know this isn't really a big story to post in F2d5thCavv2 awesome update thread, but what it seemed to point out was change in the Russian people, for two boys to do this, does this show a steady change in attitude inside Russia?

www.dagens.com...

Posted September 24
Russian Teens Burn Mi-8 Military Helicopter for Reward of $20,000

Two 16-year-old russian boys allegedly set fire to a military Mi-8 helicopter at a base in Omsk.

Launched Molotov Cocktail
This act of vandalism was reportedly incentivized by a mysterious figure who contacted them via Telegram, promising a reward of $20,000 for their actions. However, after successfully executing the plan, the boys received no money, and the contact disappeared, erasing all messages.

According to Ukrainian media sources citing Russian publications, the teenagers gained access to the airbase on a Saturday night, where they launched a Molotov cocktail at the helicopter, completely destroying it, according to Ziare.

Shortly thereafter, authorities apprehended the suspects, who revealed their interaction with the unknown individual on Telegram.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Seems to be repeat of the NEDELIN DISASTER of 1960

In October 1960 an R 16 ICBM being tested malfunctioned on pad. Marshall Nedlin, commander of Soviet Rocket forces ordered crews to fix it on pad rather than defueling and rolling back to hanger

While technicians were working on it the missile exploded killing over 100 people including Nedelin

Soviets covered up the disaster for 30 years

en.wikipedia.org...#:~:text=The%20Nedelin%20catastrophe%20or%20Nedelin%20disaster%2C%20known%20in,1960%20at%20the%20Baik onur%20Cosmodrome%20in%20Soviet%20Kazakhstan.

This recent update (2 days ago) goes into the analysis of how Russian troops have switched to rapid deployment tactics during artillery shelling to storm trenches and rush enemy positions. There are several operations shown, social media statements from a Ukrainian commander on the effectiveness of these recent tactical changes, and several media citations discussing the topic. The video then goes on to analyze many other military operators' out their and their use of motorcycles and ATV's in their own special forces operations, such as British, American, Turkish, Syrian and many other forces who deploy these tactics.

Now, before the predictable reply is typed up from page X, paragraph Y, yes I know this means Russia is just running out of tanks and armor and is resorting to kamikaze motorcycle attacks... I know I know, Russia ran out of tanks and missiles a long time ago because we have been reminded of it for some 18 months now every month.

I hope this video is as informative as it can be to those interested in historical and documentary information, and not just two minutes hate. I have triggered the haters to target me with their two minutes hate, so everyone else should feel free to comment while I absorb the impending character assassination, personal insults, and calls to shutup for daring to post an alternative analysis.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Sorry to disappoint you, I wish you peace and love.

If only Putin felt the same.