Russia unleashes missile barrage on cities across Ukraine

originally posted by: Salamandy
quick sleep joe, send BILLIONS more! not like we could use that cabbage at home or nuthin!

Experts knew/know Putin has been showing restraint. He wants to own a country that's not totally obliterated.

Ukraine blew up something over the weekend that made Putin extremely angry, from what I read.

a reply to: 19Bones79

I love how it’s one side or the other. I don’t support either side, and would be perfectly happy if we washed our hands of this fight. That doesn’t mean I’m not studying the performance of their systems, and being surprised at how poorly Russian equipment has performed and their troops have done. That also doesn’t mean that I’m supporting Ukrainian forces either.

a reply to: 19Bones79

Never underestimate the power of the mainstream narrative.

Surprised so many ATSers haven't learned that lesson yet.

/sarcasm off

a reply to: worldstarcountry

No, but that doesn’t mean that all the information you quoted is right either though.

a reply to: trollz

Well what did you expect? Putin to send them boxes of chocolates? Whoever orchestrated that attack on the bridge is out of their f&**((ing minds if they think there wouldn't be a retaliation. Bombing that bridge was a death sentence to thousands of Ukrainians and military personnel.

Bombing the bridge accomplished absolutely nyet - nothing with nothing. A stupid act which will generate lethal retaliation and suffering. Zelinsky has to go. He's in bed with the Americans who really don't give a flying crap about Ukraine. What they care about is their pocketbooks.

a reply to: CriticalStinker
Whats that saying we all bandy about so many times a week on topics such as China, Iran, Venezuela, Saudi arabia etc.. Etc..

We dont hate the people we hate their government. But we are talking about a government that passed laws to marginalize its own citizens because they were descended from Russia. This was long before 02/24/2022.

Kill lists targeting civilian dissenters, murdering their own journalists, killing their own soldiers for surrendering, calling for a pre emptive nuke strike?? No i am not villainizing the innocent citizens, i am villanizing a government and leader that is indistinguishable from Sadaam Hussein and how he treated his own people as well. We all read those stories prior to and throughout that campaign. Zelensky is worse in a ways because he has the full financial backing of NATO and it makes him feel like he is invincibile.

I wonder if that rocket that hit the street his office is on gave him a taste of his own mortality today??

a reply to: Zaphod58
And they say as much in the analysis with statements like "has yet to be confirmed" with some of the targets they mention, such as the government quarter. Its really no different than the majority or our own reporting.

I always enjoy when our gossip tabloids say things like "an official, a source close to the matter said" and we never get told who that source is or their connection to the topic. That my favorite CIA journalism.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

You listed some points that certainly are worthy of discussion. Ukraine undoubtedly has taken some actions that are questionable and immoral.

I’d also agree some of them were before the second invasion, but I’d wager a majority happened between that and the annexation of Crimea.

Let’s not forget that between 2014-16 Russia didn’t have the bridge, so it was vital they made a buffer zone on the east to secure a land line of transport between Russia and Crimea.

Crimea is and was majority ethnic Russian, parts of the east the same, but not in the same numbers as Crimea.

There’s no doubt in my mind that this is messy and nuanced. And for the record, I’d like the west to just stay out of it. But I typically give benefit of the doubt to the country who’s defending their sovereignty. And while you pointed out Ukraine’s saber rattling, let’s not forget Putin/Russian officials saying Ukraine isn’t real, and neither is a separate people/culture.

And as much as I’d like the west to stay out of it, the fact that they aren’t doesn’t mean they’re without justification. There is the Budapest Memorandum that vowed our defense for their sovereignty in exchange of their forfeiture of nuclear weapons. We may be in a different world if they retained them (or not).

a reply to: Phantom423

There was some young lady on my television screen yesterday had to be a 20s something but apperently a high ranking Ukrainian something or other, honestly she sounded exactly like a Russian to me.

She proclaimed that she wouldn't be politically correct and started begging for weapons from the United States inbthe context of we alone being the West. She said to kick the ass of Putin we need to send them yet even more weapons.

Couldn't tell you who she was because truly Americans don't know diddly squat about Ukraine, it's just another propaganda war but heck Pravda is more insightful than the Western outlets.

They all look so very young like a bunch of woke teenagers running Ukraine.

a reply to: CriticalStinker
The loser pays the bill anyways. Those weapons are not gifts, they are loans. When its all done, they will be paying everyone for decades with interest, and selling off their national resources to multinationals to cut down the debt.

Buuuuuut... The sooner Zelensky goes the sooner Ukraine comes to the negotiating table.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Thank you for correcting me on your viewpoint.


I still think the the other poster had a valid point about throwing stones and glass houses.

The only way to settle this war is for Zelenski, Putin, and all the other aggressors and aggregators in governments worldwide to get into a giant octagon, Each armed with a home made shank of their choosing. The winner takes all.

Pay per view with the proceeds going to those who have suffered globally in all pointless conflicts.

I don't know who would win, Don't particularly care either, but I would sure tune in and gladly pay £1000 for the event.

Maybe after the bloodbath, our future elected leaders might think twice about starting their pish.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: CriticalStinker
The loser pays the bill anyways. Those weapons are not gifts, they are loans. When its all done, they will be paying everyone for decades with interest, and selling off their national resources to multinationals to cut down the debt.

Buuuuuut... The sooner Zelensky goes the sooner Ukraine comes to the negotiating table.

Unless they're Afghanistan then they get it all for free

I just realized all this negative international backlash Russia gets for using indiscriminate bombing, while justified, is rather ironic...

...given the US got the same backlash in Iraq by spending orders of magnitude more money to use precision weapons and trying to minimize civilian casualties in most cases, sometimes putting our own people at risk.

The anti-US broad-brushing sent a pretty clear message to military powers: it's not worth it to try to minimize civilian casualties. You'll get demonized no matter what you do, so might as well go for total war.

Good job bleeding hearts.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Yea, I listed the Budapest memorandum as a point to show on paper the “justification” for western involvement.

But it’s not lost on me that the true motivation is a proxy war with Russia. Which is why I personally would rather us not be involved at all. But I’m used to my wishes not being reflected in policy… pretty much ever.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
The only way to settle this war is for Zelenski, Putin, and all the other aggressors and aggregators in governments worldwide to get into a giant octagon, Each armed with a home made shank of their choosing. The winner takes all.

Pay per view with the proceeds going to those who have suffered globally in all pointless conflicts.

I don't know who would win, Don't particularly care either, but I would sure tune in and gladly pay £1000 for the event.

Maybe after the bloodbath, our future elected leaders might think twice about starting their pish.

Is Biden going in?

originally posted by: Phantom423
Bombing the bridge accomplished absolutely nyet - nothing with nothing.

Oh, I don't know. The bridge was a primary route for the support of Russian military in the southern part of the areas illegally annexed by Russia. Blowing the bridge provides a psychological boost for Ukrainians in their struggle against a belligerent Russia. It also provides another reason to be miserable for Russian troops.

Anyhoo. The bridge should not be there. It was built without permission onto Ukrainian territory annexd by Russia. Its demolition is written in the stars.

Ukraine = blow a bridge and impact Russian military capabilities.
Russia = target a playground and achieve nothing except misery and grief.

a reply to: face23785

Yea, there’s a lot of hypocrisy surrounding the whole thing. There always is in war.

Like a lot of the right now magically using Iraq as an example of western hypocrisy when it comes to justification for war (not accusing you directly, just broadly speaking).

Or the trope that this is unique to one party or person in the US. That Ukraine is purely a Biden initiative when Trump was the first to give lethal aid and said Biden wasn’t doing enough a few months after the most recent invasion.

That’s why a complete absence of the west would be ideal. But that’s not happening, no matter who’s in office and we all know it deep down.