America just blew up Russia's gas pipeline, and admitted it.

a reply to: Marlborough Red


Have you looked into just how complicated it is to 'turn off the taps'?

Are you sure it wasn't simple russian incompetence again?




Cuz there isn't any evidence yet either way.




Also - the reparations theory is plausible, putin knows better than anyone that russia has already lost the war he started, and he knows the 'best' case scenario for what happens to russia after he surrenders.

a reply to: MidnightWatcher

Do you have any good links about how the pipelines work? I've tried reading a few but it goes way over my head.

I'm on the fence and think this could just be an honest mistake by either side/reroute stations and the alleged pressure issues before the incident.

Any idea what countries would be responsible for the maintenance of the pipeline or what non-destructive testing methods are used to check for emerging weakpoints in the pipe (I know sonar is usually used for pipes/railways etc on dry land but not sure if possible on these pipelines).

a reply to: bastion


My brain hurts from too much pipeline learning.

'Good links'? I'm not sure they exist on this topic.

Not even kidding.

I'll gladly send you some of what I found later, but Brotherman is an actual resident expert and can probably steer you to something better than I've found anyway.


Here is a doc from Darkstar and related discussion in another thread:


thelawdogfiles.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

This one has pics of the massively impressive 'pig':

www.wermac.org...


This pdf was helpful:

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a reply to: MidnightWatcher

there isn't any evidence yet either way

Whodunnit? - Facts Related to The Sabotage Attack On The Nord Stream Pipelines

In 2015, the annual routine underwater survey of the Nord Stream 1 pipelines came across a remote operated vehicle rigged with explosives right next to one of the lines in Swedish waters. The umbilical cable had been cut. The drone’s national origin was never disclosed.

a reply to: Blowback


So still no evidence yet?

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: Blowback

So still no evidence yet?

There's no smoking gun if that is what you mean , just circumstantial evidence , plausible deniability is still entact ...

a reply to: MidnightWatcher

Yeah, what is up with Tucker these days. Lots of hidden loyalties being flushed out into the open, it seems.

Cheers

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
This does not bode well at all with putin moving the nukes forward

I'm not a putin supporter or a Zelenski supporter

But I have often said continuous pushing will force his hand

We could have avoided a lot of this I believe, maybe not , maybe this was the only logical end to the cold war between Russia and The rest of the western world

I pray for measured responses , I pray putin does not use those nukes and I pray that if he does the western powers use extreme caution in response.

The world counts on it

We/us, the west will continue to push and goad putin to every limit. There is no offramp.

The media machine hasn't changed, it's still doing the same yellow tactics as they do on Trump and anyone to the right of socialism.

It has been infinitely amusing to see posters, socks and the like as well, to jump all in on the manufactured consent for not only war but the literal dumping of money into the pit of Ukraine....minus percentages for the big guy and the rest.

originally posted by: Blowback

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: Blowback

So still no evidence yet?

There's no smoking gun if that is what you mean , just circumstantial evidence , plausible deniability is still entact ...

Other than timing and location we have zero evidence.



What you have are conspiracy theories, not 'evidence'.

a reply to: MidnightWatcher

Yeah. The problem with incidents is that the 'evidence' can be configured to point the finger away from those who did it.

Cheers

a reply to: MidnightWatcher

Thanks for the links, will check them out and look up Brothermans previous posts.

I imagine a lot of it is highly protected under various national security laws - In the UK all our top secret oil pipelines are clearly labelled at roadsides on concrete signs saying 'oil pipeline' with distance and directions to the nearest junction and a phone number/reference where staff confirm it's existance - we have a lot of gaping security flaws and there's a ton of freely available public domain info that shiould be highly restricted.

Example of one of the top secret oil pipeline signs

a reply to: bastion

That's probably to prevent digging and construction crews from cutting the pipeline.

I could tell some stories about exposed infrastructure, but will hold my tongue.

Cheers

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

Yeah. The problem with incidents is that the 'evidence' can be configured to point the finger away from those who did it.

Cheers

Some types of 'evidence' certainly can, but whether external explosives were used or not would be impossible to fake, that's the first thing I'm waiting for.

Then hoping multiple countries caught it on underwater sensors, including russia.

The sensors won't lie, but the countries might...

a reply to: MidnightWatcher

Right. But 'fingerprints' like specific types of explosives or munitions, can be used to indicate action by one country even when such is not the case.

The sensors may have useful data. Whether TPTB want to reveal that data is another question.

Cheers

a reply to: MidnightWatcher

Some types of 'evidence' certainly can, but whether external explosives were used or not would be impossible to fake, that's the first thing I'm waiting for.

The overwhelming consensus is for man-made explosions ....


North Stream were explosions, not earthquakes says Swedish seismologist

These were several well targeted and massive explosions .... A Swedish seismologist said on Tuesday he was certain the seismic activity detected at the site of the Nord Stream pipeline gas leaks in the Baltic Sea was caused by explosions and not earthquakes nor landslides.

Bjorn Lund, seismologist at the Swedish National Seismic Network at Uppsala University, said seismic data gathered by him and Nordic colleagues showed that the explosions took place in the water and not in the rock under the seabed.

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None of them have seen any evidence yet either.

And they think the pipeline is buried in bedrock.

Seismograph would have been the same whether internal or external.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2


That's exactly what we're waiting for, though I don't think they'll actually release the explosive profile or attribution at this point (or that anyone would believe them if they did), just evidence of the cause.

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: bastion

That's probably to prevent digging and construction crews from cutting the pipeline.

I could tell some stories about exposed infrastructure, but will hold my tongue.

Cheers

That's the purpose for the signs and a common sense idea but when you ring the phone number and ask if it is part of the critical network staff either confirm it or explain they're not comfortable confirming it as they rightly don't believe this data should be available to the public as it could be used for terrorism etc... I don't know much US stuff apart from they only used to drop test nuclear weapon protection systems from a height of 20m when landing/flying in the UK with them which led to a couple of incidents of radiation leaks.

I spent a few years exploiting hidden loopholes and rights in the UK for journalism research but ended up having to keep most of it/all key details secret and relaying it to the relevant bodies to patch it up - it's scary how poor a lot of security is though I guess there's some logic to having it in plain sight.

Quite funny watching these reporters squirm while interviewing this bloke.

a reply to: Flatcoat


So he doesn't have any evidence either?