The Collective Unconscious and The Doomsday Conspiracy

a reply to: CloneFarm1000

Good luck.

I look at it like the Michael Crichton novel Sphere. The power to manifest anything with mental determination ends up as killing each-other off with jelly fish and food allergies.

The dreamers of dreams want paranoid nightmares. A manifestated Bigfoot would sign a deal to abduct children in forested areas for pineal gland extraction.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

mine is still kicking ass. Seems they only work against other humans. At least I never accomplished anything trough tulpas when interacting with the non-human buggers.

I kind of stumbled into this world without being led into it, so I have no preset rules or anything really, apart from the scarce occult text and my live long observations, paired with my skill to make out patterns. I was not aware this coupled with a vivid imagination will be more than enough to get a hold onto things. the surprise when I first showed up was ... well, how to say, I found it hilarious, they not so much.
I got a lot of flak, until they understood I'm here to stay, and better not messed with.

It seems as of late things are getting more quiet, the guests are behaving better and staying in their dedicated area, just the one bugger is still pushing upwards but not all the way out, always just going for the heart, I'm almost fed up and will put an end to our relation if things don't change.

a reply to: Terpene

Yah, it can get complicated. For me, the human ones doing the recruiting now are a trio of christian girls, Alice included. Alice and I have arguements regularly over this and I get shi**y with her and change ATS avartars whilst swearing off (deceased) women forever (sigh).

ETA: Just thinking now. The title of the thread is: The Collective Unconscious and The Doomsday Conspiracy.

This assumes a collective unconscious.

Does such a thing exist?

And is it unconscious?

a reply to: CloneFarm1000
Mental concepts are idols......
It is said that 'no idols should be made'.

Can it be noticed that you have made an idol of yourself?

When the idols are seen for what they are, then... what really is shall be revealed..... not that it was ever hidden.

The revelation.

originally posted by: NobodySpecial268
a reply to: Terpene

ETA: Just thinking now. The title of the thread is: The Collective Unconscious and The Doomsday Conspiracy.

This assumes a collective unconscious.

Does such a thing exist?

And is it unconscious?

The unconscious mind is the aspect of the psyche which is locked away from conscious introspection. It affects the pathology of the conscious aspect through behavior, motivation, dreams, and perhaps even disease and health. It is indicated that our brain functions more for the unconscious than it does for conscious awareness.

The collective unconscious would then be a state of culture-wide dreams that can be read and meditated upon to form myths that are socially relevant.

Tulpa, or perhaps an egregore, to give it another name.

In scripture, they are referred to as powers & principalities, and they can be erected by mass will, they can be torn down by the power of prayer. If left unobstructed, they can cause immense harm to human beings.

Interesting concepts.

In any case, what would be the best way to avoid these negative thought outcomes

The question itself empowers negativity. If we say someone is beautiful don't we empower ugliness in consciousness? The only way to overcome what we perceive as negativity is by witnessing everything as it is without trying to label everything through the lens of consciousness as either good or bad. Witnessing all things as they are....

Bhagavad Gita (Song of God): Chapter 6, Verse 30 ... For those who see Me everywhere and see all things in Me, I am never lost, nor are they ever lost to Me.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: CloneFarm1000
Mental concepts are idols......
It is said that 'no idols should be made'.

Can it be noticed that you have made an idol of yourself?

As the Bible uses the term, an idol is an image, a representation of anything, or a symbol that is an object of passionate devotion*, whether material or imagined. (*: such as the symbol of the Cross) Generally speaking, idolatry is the veneration, love, worship, or adoration of an idol. It is usually practiced toward a real or supposed higher power, whether such power is believed to have animate existence (as a human, an animal, or an organization) or is inanimate (as a force or lifeless object of nature). Idolatry generally involves some form, ceremony, or ritual.

The Hebrew terms used to refer to idols often highlighted the origin and inherent worthlessness of idols, or they were derogatory terms of contempt. Among these are words rendered “carved or graven image” (literally, something carved out); “molten statue, image, or idol” (literally, something cast or poured out); “horrible idol”; “vain idol” (literally, vanity); and “dungy idol.” “Idol” is the usual rendering of the Greek word eiʹdo·lon.

Not all images are idols. God’s law not to form images (Ex 20:4, 5) did not rule out the making of all representations and statues. The key point is whether or not they are venerated, loved, adored or worshipped, or whether or not they are used as aids in worship. For example regarding that last point, the Scriptures do not sanction the use of images as a means to address God in prayer.

a reply to: DirtWasher

It may be unconscious to our perspective of the brain based reasoning aspect of mind, but is it itself unconscious in it's own realm?

Perhaps one might suggest the physical organs of the body, the liver for instance, have consciousness. The liver consciousness may be separate from the kidneys. Were the kidneys to behave in the fashion of the liver, we would be in trouble.

In a way I think one needs to walk straight past Freund and Jung.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Yeah, they are an interesting study.

In scripture, they are referred to as powers & principalities, and they can be erected by mass will, they can be torn down by the power of prayer. If left unobstructed, they can cause immense harm to human beings.

While I've not studied the Catholic Principalities and Powers, reading the Catholic definition suggests they are probably very close the hermetic egregore/dreamscape. So we are probably talking about the same class of Beings. Though I would maintain the distinction that they are not neccessarily "tulpas" nor "egregores".

In my eyes anyway, I think it is important to keep in mind that there are egregores/dreamscapes that are not "ensoulded" completely by a desire and have no individual will/existence of their own. For example the Cthulhus in the lower hermetic world reside within that world

Interestingly, the upper world that is the collage based on the staff of Hermes is very careful when it comes to allowing desires from outside to take up residence there. From my limited observation, I don't think they would allow unauthorised "seeds to take root" in the upper. Everything "negative" is extruded into the lower world; their dirty laundry. One might say policy is created in the upper and the lower carries it out. So it is obvious to me that the "fine upstanding hermetic wisdom" folks in the upper use, to put it bluntly; proxies to keep their own hands clean. I guess most hermeticists would not know the horror and misery of the lower that they are indirectly responsible for.

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The image above is two spheres in the figure 8. The upper is clean and the mistery is in the lower.

That's the evolutionary cycle of the hermetic egregore. It is a pure single sphere untill internal corruption sets in. Then it extrudes the corruption into a "lower" sphere which is eventually separated to work out in our physical world as "evil". They dump on us.

So in studying the life cycle of the hermetic egrgore, I can not find evidence of the notion of duality of 'light and dark' nor 'good and evil'. Happiness is the default state of being human, misery is created and smothers happiness. I would go as far as to say there is no duality as is spoken of in metaphysics and philosophy. The hint here is Lucifer is said to have been an archangel originally, became corrupt and was cast out of heaven. The story of the fallen angels.

One might say the lower hermetic sphere is a fallen angel.

Interestingly the kabalah tree was in a previous cycle in the upper where the staff of Hermes is now. That says to me that in the next cycle the staff of Hermes will be replaced by something else.

Geez I'm waffling again, getting old ; )

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

The realm of science is rife with semantic problems. Here, Freud and Jung force us to make a distinction between the "unconscious mind"(can't we call it the subconscious? let's do that instead) and unconsciousness(meaning without consciousness).

I would venture to say that the subconscious is not so passive as we all have repressed memories of trauma and mundane experience alike, and these repressions do affect our behavior and random thought clutter and ideology, the degree to which is dependent on the level of awareness of ourselves we are able to afford. Meditation is an exercise to rein in the subconscious so it doesn't cause us so much problem in our conscious experience.

I would certainly suggest our organs and cells have a nonclinical consciousness a kidney can not reason, but it does for sure communicate with the rest of the body via nerve signal and endocrine, and it's not one way communication. People have developed complete control over such organs, like commanding the heart to beat, or reversing the action of the digestive system.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

I think the distinction is vague already, and mostly applicable to human consciousness. I would also postulate that it's more of an awareness thing than we being "un"conscious.
The, let's call it tulpa, does not seem to have this layered access to it's consciousness. It seems to be comprised of all the consciousness actively maintaining it.
I can not make out any individualistic consciousness that would define the whole as an individual, some seem to have an awareness about their Form, like a membrane defining the container for the diffrent human consciousness.
Some get imprinted by individual humans more and can even adapt the personality to the point where it appears to have an individual consciousness.

Then again, if I create a tulpa of my self, i can't make out any diffrence to my consciousness.

Once I tried to see who or what is keeping tulpa earth going, that was quite the revelation.

Ok the iron is hot, I'm off to bake those waffles....

a reply to: DirtWasher

The realm of science is rife with semantic problems. Here, Freud and Jung force us to make a distinction between the "unconscious mind"(can't we call it the subconscious? let's do that instead) and unconsciousness(meaning without consciousness).

Yeah, "subconscious" is comphy and works.

I would venture to say that the subconscious is not so passive as we all have repressed memories of trauma and mundane experience alike, and these repressions do affect our behavior and random thought clutter and ideology, the degree to which is dependent on the level of awareness of ourselves we are able to afford. Meditation is an exercise to rein in the subconscious so it doesn't cause us so much problem in our conscious experience.

One can throw in the psychological term alters in there too. I know alters are generally associated with the black psychology of MK* and 'Mon-arch' programming of see eye aye fame. I think they are far more common than generally thought. I find that trauma create them, even in the deceased. The presence of accidental or intentional aside. Most folks have those 'small inner voices', like the old Warner Bros cartoons of the devil and angel on the shoulders : )

I would certainly suggest our organs and cells have a nonclinical consciousness a kidney can not reason, but it does for sure communicate with the rest of the body via nerve signal and endocrine, and it's not one way communication. People have developed complete control over such organs, like commanding the heart to beat,

I've worked at healing using the knowledge of the physical body. So far, just using the metabolic processes of catabolism and anabolism; the disassembly and assembly. Probably not the place to write about that here, yet still the knowledge of the physical body processes are there without any doubt. The liver knows how to metabolise substances and therefore the memory is there.

or reversing the action of the digestive system.

Eeewww : (

a reply to: Terpene

I think the distinction is vague already, and mostly applicable to human consciousness. I would also postulate that it's more of an awareness thing than we being "un"conscious.
The, let's call it tulpa, does not seem to have this layered access to it's consciousness. It seems to be comprised of all the consciousness actively maintaining it.

Perhaps the tulpa doesn't have the layered consciousness because it doesn't have the awake/sleep cycle that come with physical life?

I've seen where people's consciousness inverts at falling asleep and at awakening next morning. I saw that with a child who could not properly wake up in the morning and was partially caught in a dream that carried over into normal awake time.


Picture shows two flowers. in the awake human the centre is coloured green with yellow petals, and in the sleeping person the colours are reversed.

Fixing the inversion process caused the girl to wake up properly in the morning.

I have also photgraphed something similar in an almond tree. My educated guess is there is a similar annual inversion in the tree consciousness as almonds are dormant in winter.



The almond tree. Arrows point to the many petaled flower form.

I can not make out any individualistic consciousness that would define the whole as an individual, some seem to have an awareness about their Form, like a membrane defining the container for the diffrent human consciousness.
Some get imprinted by individual humans more and can even adapt the personality to the point where it appears to have an individual consciousness.

I find so too. Though I haven't studied many.

Then again, if I create a tulpa of my self, i can't make out any diffrence to my consciousness.

A thought form double? Or something that is "ensouled" by a foriegn desire? That idea is scary even for me : )

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

A thought form double? Or something that is "ensouled" by a foriegn desire?

Double would be more fitting, I use them if I have to quickly lay down a big protective grid, or scout in all directions. I can disolve them and I gain all the memories they gathered while away... Not sure what I concocted there, but it's very handy.

a reply to: CloneFarm1000

I don't think it's entirely down to the collective unconscious you speak of. It is mostly down to a different type of collective unconscious though, the mindless NPC's who keep voting the same monsters into power every election cycle. Those who prop up and support the worst of the worst. Giving them the power and resources to do what they do around the world that has led us to the point we are at now.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

In scripture, they are referred to as powers & principalities, and they can be erected by mass will, they can be torn down by the power of prayer. If left unobstructed, they can cause immense harm to human beings.

Interesting concepts.

Ya know, That is an interesting thing you have said there. The more I look at the hermetic egregore/dreamscape and compare to the scriptural description of your's, the more I am thinking the thing is an angel.

The hermetic one has a life cycle where it discards the lower as, one might say; a "fallen angel". Whilst the upper becomes the new angel.

The corruption of the angel Being and eventual division/separation of the "fallen angel" would cause the equivalent of the destruction of the living physical society. Eventually the "new angel" would settle and create a new physical society.

I need to do a LOT more study of this creature the hermeticists are creating.

OK just skimming through this interview study and I am flabbergasted that using psychaedelics may work to filter out activity in the brain so much so that long range cortical connections, telepathy and/or psi may be a reality.

These ganzfeld studies indicate that an altered state of consciousness may be supportive of telepathic receptivity, and perhaps of paranormal experiences in general. As psychedelics are known for inducing powerful alterations in consciousness, with effects that include increases in mental imagery, empathy, alertness, awareness, attention, spontaneity, suggestibility, openness, intuitive thinking, and emotional flexibility (see review in Luke, 2012), there is reason to believe that the psychedelic state could be conducive of telepathic experience. Neuropharmacological research has demonstrated that, perhaps counterintuitively, these psychedelics-induced alterations in consciousness correlate with general decreases in brain activity (CarhartHarris et al., 2012), while also increasing the number of long-range
cortical connections (Petri et al., 2014).

Thus, a human brain affected by classical psychedelics will be both relatively quieter and more integrated, with an increase in topologically long-range functional connections. Carhart-Harris et al. regarded their finding of a psilocybin-induced decrease in overall brain activity as being consistent with the reducing valve model of the brain that Aldous Huxley (1954/1994) developed on the basis of Henri Bergson’s work (1896/1990), which posits that the brain has an active altering mechanism constraining our experience of the world to that which has value for immediate survival. The
observed reduction in brain activity during psychedelic influence may therefore involve a reduction also in filtering activity, enabling a state of unconstrained cognition that is perhaps beneficial for experiences of telepathy and other psi phenomena.

www.researchgate.net...

So it would appear that we don't have to be in an unconscious state or any state, only that the brain filter needs to calm down significantly.

a reply to: quintessentone

Nice find quintessentone. for posting that.


I know a few people who don't have the "third eye" of the eastern teachings, and they clairvoyantly see and experience things just fine. It is the whole body that perceives these things.

So it would appear that we don't have to be in an unconscious state or any state, only that the brain filter needs to calm down significantly.

a reply to: CloneFarm1000

Hate to ruin your thought… but have to propose an alternative view on at least one of those points.

The, so called, Tree of Life, is actually the Milky Way as seen from earth (with no light pollution, like ke back in the day when people lived around the equator because it was warm.

Ever wonder why the MW is perpendicular to the Earth??

My personal belief is that our original galaxy was a dwarf galaxy consumed by the MW. We ended up in an orbit orbit with ‘strange’ characteristics.

And from that observation, the whole idea of “gods” and “some of these ‘collective unconscious’ myths” arose (including the whole Jesus mythos).

Now I may be wrong (and am mostly alone) about this belief but one must think about a time before writing and television!

I think that “The Flood” is along the same lines-an event happened in our history that became a myth (and misunderstood by those who were taught the story).

Neck, real, learned men (he! Take that cancel culture!), KNEW that solid rocks don’t fall from the sky! And that is only one example.

Why are Orion and Cygnus revered as constellations??

(Read more books!!!)

Anyway, the concept of “collective unconscious” is post Shakespeare so you may have to pry the Bard away from our “modern” (Freudian) concept.

But, I might be wrong, so, a big ty for making me think!!



ETA: I am not dissuading your idea… just pointing out a difference that should/can be addressed so your idea has some oomph behind it!!