If we are unaware that we live in virtual world and have no free will, does it matter?

originally posted by: VeeSter
a reply to: Brotherman

this virtual world bs and the "we live in the matrix" thing is all bull sh it, if you can't handle life and question it then you probably don't deserve it, the idea that you have a pre ponderance of it should say something, it should sound like "well if I am thinking about this than I probably am not a robot" A robot wouldn't think like this because it doesn't have:

Well, that's a pretty negative statement. But my question was, "What if we were living in a virtual world, not that I said we were." I wasn't saying that I was a robot, or surrounded by robots, I was just asking, "does it matter if we all were in a simulation?".

I guess I should apologize, I didn't mean to be negative but what I really wanted to say may have also been taken the wrong way but I will throw it out here generally. People have a hard time agreeing on what reality is these days, people have faulty minds so common tautologies is a launching point where as water is wet the sky is blue we all have mothers etc and then you get some asshole that comes in with the earth is flat, we come from aliens, and water isn't wet. So whatever anyone believes is real no matter how ridiculous I guess is real enough to them in their imaginations or whatever we can call it because we can't all assume reality is the same even though it should be in my opinion. Whether it is simulated or not then that experience is real enough.

a reply to: Brotherman

There are certainly parts of reality which we experience, that are at least very similar, or the same for all. They are the parts of reality we perceive trough our bodies as sensory organ.

To say these facts must therefore be an unshakeable reality, is like saying the human body is the most advanced and holistic sensory organ and there is no stimuli the universe has to offer it couldn't process. We know that to not be the truth.

how would the world look if your eye had a layer to process magnetic fields into your visual rendering, like some migratory birds?
It doesn't quite turn reality upside down, but the thaught experiment goes a long way.

vision is especially illusionary.

I think This is God's mental simulation where He creates new souls to come into existence and have their being. Like any dreamworld there's no limit on time or space so eventually we become eternal beings sharing the limitless consciousness of our extra-dimensional Creator. This is not to say this isn't "real". It's very real, it's everything we have ever known and was implemented for a purpose.

The question matters because it matters whether the simulation is “fair” or not.

You could be living in a prison.

Or you could be living in a cradle for your own emerging hyper-consciousness

originally posted by: tovenar
The question matters because it matters whether the simulation is “fair” or not.

You could be living in a prison.

Or you could be living in a cradle for your own emerging hyper-consciousness

It seems like a mixture of the two. We can self-imprison due to various types of servitude to matter, or we can be liberated to explore the conscious frontier.

originally posted by: tovenar
The question matters because it matters whether the simulation is “fair” or not.

You could be living in a prison.

Or you could be living in a cradle for your own emerging hyper-consciousness

What do you think is outside the "prison"? More freedom, or more danger?

a reply to: Terpene

well isn't that a bitch if we both agree our bodies are as they come out of the box and can agree to dismiss the mystical BS to at the very least create a baseline of understanding?

Unfortunately boys think they are girls in the modern world and some people believe reality is made up of feelings.

An animal born into a circus to entertain, and is
'unaware',
Does it matter ?
Of course IT MATTERS !
. . . only the
exploiting overlords, and psychopaths would disagree.

The entire “theory’ that the universe is a simulation is “god did it” for hipsters.

By which I mean it’s somehow even stupider. “God did it” at least acknowledge that reality actually exists.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: VeeSter

22 minutes you may find interesting.

Einstein's theory of relativity appears to break down at very small space (10 to the -33 m) and time (10-43 seconds). Donald Hoffman is a cognitive scientist and popular science author and argues that there is no such thing as space time in physics, and that all physical events are ultimately conscious.

This video is a fascinating look at one of the leading minds in cognitive science , and his argument that physical events are ultimately conscious.

Hoffman discusses the problems with the popular idea of space and time being fundamental aspects of the universe, and argues that these concepts are instead results of our own understanding (or lack there of) and experience.

To answer your question , no it probably wouldn't matter but it would be interesting to know.

I've been much happier leaving einstein to his theories as there was nothing wrong with the "old model"... as energy does not equal mass... the quark and other massless particles disprove E=MC^2

a reply to: GoldGoo9

Have you ever seen out your third eye?

I have tried, but have not had much success. YouTube makes everything look so easy. But I'll keep trying.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

What if there is no one in bodies anywhere?
The assumption is that there is someone doing thoughts and action.....but maybe there is just what is appearing to happen.
Maybe there is just the one (just what's happening)....and not two (someone/something doing what's happening).

This made my head spin, but in a good way.

a reply to: ARM1968

No, it doesn’t matter. Ultimately nothing really does.

So sayeth Mettallica?

a reply to: GENERAL EYES

Of course we have an effect on the people around us.

We can help, offer support and advice or just be there to comfort and add a positive energy to their day.

Some folks go out of their way to make things difficult though.

It's part of the challenges we have as human beings.

We can be a protagonist or an antagonist in our personal storylines.

I agree that we can help, hurt, or do nothing. But is it we who are making the choice?

a reply to: 19Bones79

Interesting thought experiment.

Can I send you my bank details so you can send me money?

You will send me money.

Remember, it's only an illusion.

And money is a construct within an illusion

I've already sent it to you virtually. Let me know if you get it. If not, I'll send it again.

a reply to: Compendium

If you are real, that what you perceive can be as real or as fake as you choose within the experience of self

Think of it this way:

Even if this world were completely virtual and "fake", would it make it any less beautiful?

This, actually, is what I was looking for. Thank you for your response!

a reply to: DeathSlayer

In a virtual world....you would not experience physical pain.

So if you think you live in a virtual world, cut off your pinky and if that hurts you are not in a virtual world.

P.S. Do NOT cut your pinky off because this life is real and it will hurt like hell.

No virtual world

No matrix

No time travel...flesh and bone can not withstand the stress.

This is just my opinion. But if there were no pain in a virtual world, I think whoever did the programming got it wrong. Because you can't appreciate the pleasure without the pain, the good without the bad, the right without the wrong.

But thanks for the response. And my pinky is still attached.

a reply to: interupt42

it would matter if your algorithm were programed or directed to have it matter based on parameters being triggered .

season 1 amazing , then it starts to drop from there but still good.

im hanging in there with it.

if you liked it, you should check out ex machina.

Thanks for the response. I'm on season 3 right now. Season 2 was a little confusing just because it was hard to figure out where in the timeline you were. It was like season 1 of The Witcher if you've seen it. But so far, I still am enjoying it. But I will take your advice and check out Ex Machina. There are just too many good movies and TV shows out now. And it's football season, so my time is limited.

a reply to: gortex

22 minutes you may find interesting.

To answer your question , no it probably wouldn't matter but it would be interesting to know.

I always enjoy videos like this except for the fact that I don't understand physics as well as I would like. But I had heard theories regarding that our thoughts create reality. This sort of feels like what the scientist is describing. Or the fact that nothing actually exists until it is observed. But thanks for your post.

a reply to: Terpene

Try
Up-Up-Down-Down-Left-Right-Left-Right-B-A
and see what happens

Are you old enough to have played Zork?