Blood clot risk remained nearly a year after COVID-19 infection

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: vNex92

They would have to say that wouldn't they. No doubt the reality of the stats are coming in fast. The only problem is that in countries with really high vaccination rates shows that its the unvaccinated are the healthiest.

Again with the "they". Who are they?

Source for literally anything that you've said.

a reply to: vNex92

apologies for being a contrary a**e but there are a few holes here you can drive a truck through

The study says UK Bristol covering most of the adult english/welsh population, suggesting NHS data, each NHS trust is like a fiefdom who are precious with their data (worse than Gollum with the one ring) data sharing is still in its infancy in the UK and even then it is a very toxic topic with many opting out.

Patient data-sharing rollout was ‘a mistake’, says review lead

so I question where they got access to 48m records.. now if they said 10k from the REACT study of those who opted in, that'd be believable. even the 10k for REACT was the largest anyone in the world could get claiming they have 48m bends credulity to the limits.

U.K. study that looked at the health records of 48 million unvaccinated adults, covering almost the entire adult English and Welsh populations, from the first year of the pandemic.

the next big problem is most had no interaction with the NHS in that first year, pretty hard to study health records of people for something when they've not seen a healthcare professional..

The next hole is the vaccines where being rolled out well within that first year window messing with any notion of unvaccinated, the last is the bulk of said health records would show short term treatments in that first year which is how the vaccines are listed on NHS health records.

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as an aside I get a little shirty about these topics as the ratio of GPs to patients here abouts is 14,000 to 1 so the chances of me seeing any GP are similar to me winning the lottery, though if I did win the lottery I might win enough to pay see a doctor.. otherwise we are left to our own devices..

originally posted by: frogs453

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: MaxxAction
Almost everyone I know has had covid...

those that weren't vaxxed and have had covid aren't having trouble with blood clots. I do, however, know of numerous people who got vaxxed and didn't have covid that ended up in the hospital with blood clots, and all kinds of various and sundry other wierd # going on in their bodies.

Exactly. I don't know any unvaxxt people with blood clot issues that had covid. What a f# joke.

So odd, mine is the opposite. I know 2 people that had lung and leg blood clots when the they had covid. One had 30cc of clots in his lungs and on the brink of heart failure. My sister had a stroke 4 weeks ago, she remained unvaccinated as heart issues developed after she had covid which she had twice and as a true MAGA believer she was afraid of the Vax. They believe the clot traveled from her heart. No worries though right? After she gets a pacemaker and has a year of PT to recover use of her right side, she'll be fine. I mean she was healthy and fit and in her 40s, but covid is no big deal right?

So, isn't it possible that both disease and vaccine can trigger blood clots in the recipient, as the vaccine is designed to make the body produce a spike protein from that disease?

If we truly uphold the ethics of science and medicine then the doctors that initially spoke out after seeing adverse reactions to vaccines in their patients should not have been shut down, censored or threatened with loss of license. If they had concerns about covid causing blood clots they would have been listened to but when it was the vaccines they weren't. Both could cause issues.


All the anti vax people are wanting is this concern taken serious enough that transparent research is done.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: vNex92

They would have to say that wouldn't they. No doubt the reality of the stats are coming in fast. The only problem is that in countries with really high vaccination rates shows that its the unvaccinated are the healthiest.

Again with the "they". Who are they?

Source for literally anything that you've said.

"They" is pretty obviously those in authority. Should be obvious, being a conspiracy site and the context.

a reply to: nickyw

the next big problem is most had no interaction with the NHS in that first year, pretty hard to study health records of people for something when they've not seen a healthcare professional..

Surely people who had covid or a blood clot would have an interaction, and thus would create a record.

the vaccines where being rolled out well within that first year window messing with any notion of unvaccinated, t

The UK had a phased approach to vaxxing, in effect eldest first, so it wasn't until the middle of 2020 that you started getting younger people vaxxed, so it's pretty easy to see how you can get that many unvaxxed records

originally posted by: igloo

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: vNex92

They would have to say that wouldn't they. No doubt the reality of the stats are coming in fast. The only problem is that in countries with really high vaccination rates shows that its the unvaccinated are the healthiest.

Again with the "they". Who are they?

Source for literally anything that you've said.

"They" is pretty obviously those in authority. Should be obvious, being a conspiracy site and the context.

Buy who are "those in authority", are we talking about elected officials, an unelected shadow government, big pharma, the MSM, the WEF, the WTO, white supremacists, the Jews?

The poster likes to cast their net as wide as possible while giving the least information as possible so that they can say that they were right whatever the situation, and so you can't fact check them.

a reply to: igloo

So, isn't it possible that both disease and vaccine can trigger blood clots in the recipient,

The anti-vaxxers have latched on to the whole clotting issue, but the truth is that the only vax that creates any substantial clotting risk is the AstraZenica vax, and that risk is minimal in pretty much everyone except women in a specific age bracket.

Just like the heart issues with the other vax mostly only occur in young men as demonstrated by the Israeli study.

The Anti vaxxers would have you believe that we're knee deep in dead by now, but the actual number is less than 200 world wide. Which is roughly in line with other vax like the flu shot.

When the clotting issue was found the entire of Europe pretty much changed their vaxxing campaign overnight. And this was after 15 deaths. After that clotting mostly stopped being a thing.

Check the sources in my signature.

a reply to: igloo

It's certainly possible. I don't disagree. However it would seem that the risk of such would be much higher to those unvaccinated with full blown covid. But you note most of the responses here insist all of these things happening are to only vaccinated people, when I know it's anecdotal, I have only encountered these issues with unvaccinated people. People still exhausted, still have things that they say taste or smell weird, heart issues, on blood thinners. Who've also had covid 2 or 3x. And this is a much smaller group than the vaccinated group I know who only had the 1 day, kind of feel crappy side effect.


I do think it's covid related in general and may occur with the Vax in much much lower numbers.

So what makes the most sense logically here. At the advent of covid 19, reports of Myocarditis and blood clots started popping up. Then the shot comes out and reports start going through the roof. I do not believe that C19 is responsible for this. I believe there are 2 reasonable theories.
1. These jackasses knew already that these "vaccines" would produce these side effects long before the "vaccine" was mandated.
2. There is another trigger that is using covid and the vaccine as a scapegoat. I lean strongly toward theory 1 but 2 is a possibility.

Another theory that I feel pretty strong about that Ive had for a year or so is the idea that these MRNA "vaccines" are at an attempt at life extension. That we are being experimented on as guinea pigs to figure out which does had the least side effects.
www.businessinsider.com...
I think its not a surprise Jarod Kushner thinks he will live forever.

originally posted by: iso1111
So what makes the most sense logically here. At the advent of covid 19, reports of Myocarditis and blood clots started popping up. Then the shot comes out and reports start going through the roof. I do not believe that C19 is responsible for this. I believe there are 2 reasonable theories.
1. These jackasses knew already that these "vaccines" would produce these side effects long before the "vaccine" was mandated.
2. There is another trigger that is using covid and the vaccine as a scapegoat. I lean strongly toward theory 1 but 2 is a possibility.

Another theory that I feel pretty strong about that Ive had for a year or so is the idea that these MRNA "vaccines" are at an attempt at life extension. That we are being experimented on as guinea pigs to figure out which does had the least side effects.
www.businessinsider.com...
I think its not a surprise Jarod Kushner thinks he will live forever.

In real terms, we're not actually seeing much of a rise in heart inflammation of in clotting. We're seeing more awareness and more reporting, and a lot of false reporting.

IF you look at this forum you will find people claiming to know multiple people who had blood clots right after getting vvaxxed, dozens of people reporting hundreds of cases between them.

In reality, the risk of clotting is primary associated with a single vax, the AstraZeneca vax, and then almost exclusively with women in a specific age bracket. Ater 15 deaths this vax was largely taken out of use for at risk women. So the clotting problem pretty much stopped. This was over 18 months ago. So we have the situation where more there are more reported deaths on this forum alone than there has been in the entire world in real life.

Up to and including 24 August 2022, the MHRA received and analysed 172,901 UK Yellow Cards from people who have received the COVID-19 Vaccine Pfizer/BioNTech. These reports include a total of 498,473 suspected reactions (i.e., a single report may contain more than one symptom).

The first report was received on 9 December 2020. Up to and including 24 August 2022, the MHRA received and analysed a total of 246,183 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca. These reports include a total of 872,333 suspected reactions (a single report may contain more than one symptom).

The first report was received on 4 January 2021. Up to and including 24 August 2022, the MHRA received and analysed a total of 40,576 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna. These include a total 134,340 suspected reactions (a single report may contain more than one symptom). The first report was received on 7 April 2021.

And it would be impossible for any agency/company to follow up on this scale of reports and this is JUST in the UK, now extrapolate that into the entire world including the lack of impetus to implicate the vaccine, including the lack of knowledge of how to even report problems or reluctance to do so, which has been demonstrated many times by many doctors and patients who have attempted to do this.

MHRA is trying to monitor ALL drugs not just a few new injections...they literally dont have the man power.

We’re an executive agency of the Department of Health and Social Care. We employ more than 1,300 people and have facilities in London, York and South Mimms, Hertfordshire.

Pharmaceutical Manufacturing ; Company size: 1,001-5,000 employees ; Headquarters: London, England

yeah 5000 MAX people can keep up with all that sure.

Up to 24 August 2022, the MHRA had received Yellow Card reports of 444 cases of major thromboembolic events (blood clots) with concurrent thrombocytopenia (low platelet counts) in the UK following vaccination with COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca. Fifty-one of the 444 reports have been reported after a second dose. Of the 444 reports, 220 occurred in females, and 219 occurred in males aged from 18 to 93 years. The overall case fatality rate was 18% with 80 deaths, six of which occurred after the second dose.

oh look it says 80 DEATHS just from thromboembolic events.

Theres over 2000 reported cases of myocarditis, pericarditis, which can easily result in MULTIPLE issues and definitely a shorter lifespan.

The MHRA has received 820 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the COVID-19 Pfizer/BioNTech Vaccine in which the patient died after vaccination, 1,301 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, 70 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 49 reports where the brand of vaccine was unspecified.

li nk

Thats 2240 deaths reported. Now extrapolate that out in the entirety of europe and the world. Interesting how they're so lax about what a covid death is and if someone died from covid but the vaccine phwwwwwoooarrr no chance, surely not?? that would mean we've literally gravely injured people on purpose and that would be bad...so lets just pretend it never happened. Lets just pretend people who couldnt possibly die from covid.....died from the vax OH BUT ITS RARE, WITH ANY MEDICINE THERES A CHANCE OF BLAH BLAH BLAH. Total pieces of #.

Dying from covid is VERY rare....0.02% of the world in 2020....so if people believe covid is running rampant when its that low of a number...its very easy for people to have no idea that vaccines are killing ...an equal or greater amount of people if media/gov doesnt go on about it every second of every day for 2 whole years.

Media constantly bombarding you every day......If they didnt do that, people wouldnt have noticed people are dying from covid either....just like they dont notice how many die from the flu or antibiotic resistance related diseases......which is in the same range as covid deaths.......

Its OBVIOUSLY going to be played down. They havent even tested the god damn vaccines for so many things and they do not have ANY plans to do so.....but no lets just pretend its fine not to test anything. Only idiots, liars, people in denial would have such a stance. If its so safe, do all the tests PROVE IT fully knowing you'd be right...but they dont. Pfizer refuse to allow studies to be done on their vaccine, you need to ask their permission and they will say no if you're trying to look at how its dangerous.

The companies are BY LAW EXEMPT FROM PERSECUTION, SIGNED BY YOUR GOVERNMENT. Nothing to see here.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

The UK had a phased approach to vaxxing, in effect eldest first, so it wasn't until the middle of 2020 that you started getting younger people vaxxed, so it's pretty easy to see how you can get that many unvaxxed records

Are you sure that younger people started to get vaxxed in the middle of 2020?

The first person to be vaccinated in the world was in December 2020.

8 December 2020

The biggest vaccine campaign in NHS history kicked off this morning, as 90-year-old grandmother Margaret Keenan became the first person in the world to receive the Pfizer COVID-19 jab following its clinical approval.

8 December 2021

Margaret Keenan, now 91, from Coventry, was given a Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine at University Hospital on 8 December 2020.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: AaarghZombies

The UK had a phased approach to vaxxing, in effect eldest first, so it wasn't until the middle of 2020 that you started getting younger people vaxxed, so it's pretty easy to see how you can get that many unvaxxed records

Are you sure that younger people started to get vaxxed in the middle of 2020?

The first person to be vaccinated in the world was in December 2020.

8 December 2020

The biggest vaccine campaign in NHS history kicked off this morning, as 90-year-old grandmother Margaret Keenan became the first person in the world to receive the Pfizer COVID-19 jab following its clinical approval.

8 December 2021

Margaret Keenan, now 91, from Coventry, was given a Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine at University Hospital on 8 December 2020.

Typo, I meant 2021.

a reply to: thethinkingman

You're really just arguing semantics here.

it would be impossible for any agency/company to follow up on this scale of reports

The UK is about the size of Michigan, but with about 6 times the population. Most of which is found in a dozen or so large cities (About 12 percent of those live in London alone). So you're talking about quite a neat compact area.

Plus, most of this is done by computer using information that is routinely gathered. So a study like that perfectly feasible. It's just a spreadsheet exercise.

MHRA is trying to monitor ALL drugs not just a few new injections...they literally dont have the man power.

It's all done by computer. If I remember correctly, didn't they do a deal with Google on something like this?

Theres over 2000 reported cases of myocarditis, pericarditis, which can easily result in MULTIPLE issues and definitely a shorter lifespan.

According to the Israeli study (See link in my signature) the majority of these cases are likely to be mild, only requiring bed rest. Some will be so mild that the person never even realizes it as it just feels like anxiety. It usually lasts 1-3 days and has no lasting effects.

This is also something that's actually reasonably common with viral infections so it could have other causes.

Dying from covid is VERY rare

1.3 percent. UNLESS you have comorbidity such as diabetes, hypertension or are obese.

..its very easy for people to have no idea that vaccines are killing ...an equal or greater amount of people if media/gov doesnt go on about it every second of every day for 2 whole years.

Sources in my signature show deaths went down after vaxxing started.

Its OBVIOUSLY going to be played down.

I would argue that if the vax really was killing people in great numbers then the government would have every reason to do something about it. For example, using a different vax, or changing the formula on the vax.

The EU changed its entire vax campaign after only 15 deaths from the AstraZeneca vax. So it clearly took notice and did something about it.

If the vax was killing people then that's the fault of big pharma, not the government. If the vax is killing people because the government is covering up the deaths, then that's the fault of the government.

Doesn't it make sense that the government would want to take the route where least blame was placed on it. Wouldn't they want to cover their own backs as much as possible by passing the buck?

The companies are BY LAW EXEMPT FROM PERSECUTION, SIGNED BY YOUR GOVERNMENT. Nothing to see here.

And this is a GOOD thing. It means that if you're injured by the vax you get compensation straight from the government.

The alternative would be that you had to join a class action lawsuit against Big Pharma, which could take decades to complete, and where the majority of the compensation would be swallowed up by the lawyers.

Just look at the debacle with Fentanyl, how many people are going to see any money out of that lawsuit?

With Democrats in the Whitehouse the government is practically going to roll over when it comes to compensation. They're liberals, it's what they do.

a reply to: thethinkingman

MHRA is trying to monitor ALL drugs not just a few new injections...they literally dont have the man power.

The MHRA send out alerts to health care and pharma companies that deal with the alert (they will have a group of people that specifically deal with these), and then have to report back.
The MHRA deal with the regulation of health care products whilst the National Institute of Clinical Excellence (NICE) deals with procedures.

herp derps think a computer analyses hundreds of thousands of reports to see if something is wrong.........

What.....?????? Yeah they keep the records on a computer.....BUT PEOPLE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT and its impossible they could thoroughly examine HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF REPORTS ....they couldnt even just glance over them that quickly.

Then follow up on EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE, to see what the actual problem is....are they doing that??? are they #!

Hundreds of thousands of reports = ah nothing is wrong. ooooooook.

Literal thought processing levels of a zombie. I suggest going back to chewing on your pillow.

1% of the entire world population is around 90 million, around 6 million people have died so far since the pandemic started, do the #ing maths.
Oh wait, thats a touch too far. Just keep saying random stuff instead. there there.

In 2020 in the uk 66'715 died from covid. In 2021 in the uk, 63'263 people died from covid, a whopping 3000 reduction in people dying...... easily attributed to the fact a massive portion of the population would have already been infected and are immune or just literally cannot die cause they have immune systems. Omg thats worth literal BILLIONS.

0.1% of the uk died in 2020 and 2021 from covid. Get that into your brain, zero point zero one percent. Thats nearly zero. The majority of people that died were practically unsavable regardless of the vaccine...cause their immune systems dont work cause they have cancer, heart disease, immune problems ontop of being 80.

Although world wide figures, 1.9 million people died in 2020 and in 2021, 3.6 million people died....thats nearly DOUBLE the amount.

These figures are 0.02% of the world population dying in 2020 and 0.04% dying in 2021.

Herp derp somehow thinks thats lower....cause herp derp doesnt know the difference between 2 and 4. Herp derps trying to say 10 is less than 5.

you can also look at the rate of death in the uk and look that there is a constant level between 100 to 250 deaths per day from mid 2021 to now, where as you can look in 2020 and first half of 2021, where there are periods of months where the deaths are under 50 per day down to almost none. So whats the vaccine doing exactly?????? Sweet F all?

originally posted by: thethinkingman
In 2020 in the uk 66'715 died from covid. In 2021 in the uk, 63'263 people died from covid, a whopping 3000 reduction in people dying...... easily attributed to the fact a massive portion of the population would have already been infected and are immune. Omg thats worth literal BILLIONS.

Although world wide figures, 1.9 million people died in 2020 and in 2021, 3.6 million people died....thats nearly DOUBLE the amount.

These figures are 0.02% of the world population dying in 2020 and 0.04% dying in 2021.

Herp derp somehow thinks thats lower....cause herp derp doesnt know the difference between 2 and 4.

you can also look at the rate of death in the uk and look that there is a constant level between 100 to 250 deaths per day from mid 2021 to now, where as you can look in 2020 and first half of 2021, where there are periods of months where the deaths are under 50 per day down to almost none. So whats the vaccine doing exactly?????? # all?

Trolls bail when you use statistics.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Thats cause they struggle with how many fingers they have on each hand.