Is Ukraine about to get M1 Abrams Tanki

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

" Because contrary to russian propaganda, the US and NATO have no interest in fighting russia, only in helping Ukraine defend itself from an invasion. "


Is that Your Personal Opinion , or do you have Inside Information to Support that Claim > ?

No my opinion is because im NOT PC nor do i pretend to beat around the bush or hide the realities of this dangerous world, when somebody builds a global force of miscreants against you, you don't just ignore it, play domestic political shenanigans with it, play nice or put up with there threats... what you do do though, is you spark them out one by one on you're own terms and choosingl, And Ukraine is it

Russia made the mistake or bringing a war on conquest and colonialism to Europe in 2022, in order to subdue and bring terror once against to the Baltic's, without a doubt to plant a footing to threaten yet more violence and destruction on NATO allies, thats not even debatable anymore, if these guys wanna fight, lets fight?

So i don't care how it was started or ends, because their intentions have been Chrystal clear for decades now? so who really started it?

a reply to: MidnightWatcher

A No Confidence Vote can be Petitioned by the American People at ANY TIME according to the Constitution Of The United States . You are Incorrect .

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: TritonTaranis

Ah , why doesn't the United States and the Criminal Biden Administration just Declare WAR with the Russian Federation Already ? The MAJORITY of the American People Do Not Support the Ukraine nor the Russian Federation . A Vote of " No Confidence " is in Order here . A POTUS Escalating a Military Conflict without the American People's IMPUT is an Unconstitutional Criminal Act .

Helping Ukraine defend/beat the guy who has had Nukes pointed at them for 60 years?

TREASON Treeeeeeeeeson i tell theee

How dare we knock out a strategic competitor hellbent on countering our foreign policy with other peer competitors building an axis against us

THIS IS PREPOSTEROUS

How dare we ensure our survival

RETREAT

LMAO omg lol you guys are great

As an American Citizen , I , and Tens of Millions of my Fellow American Citizens STILL Consider Russia and Ukraine as ENEMIES of the United States . If you are somehow looking for Sympathy considering the Conflict between those Two Foreign Powers , you will get NONE . Let them Both Kill each other till the Cows come Home while My PRESENT Corrupt Federal Government gets itself Involved in yet ANOTHER Proxy War Against the Best Wishes of it's People that will Not End Well for the American People .

You think the American people would be happier with an additional 500b in defense spending per year to protect Europe from russia and the significantly increased risk of direct war with russia as a result of russia taking Ukraine?

I don't.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

A No Confidence Vote can be Petitioned by the American People at ANY TIME according to the Constitution Of The United States . You are Incorrect .

With what result?

When has it ever been successful at anything?

It isn't really a thing in the US.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: TritonTaranis

Ah , why doesn't the United States and the Criminal Biden Administration just Declare WAR with the Russian Federation Already ? The MAJORITY of the American People Do Not Support the Ukraine nor the Russian Federation . A Vote of " No Confidence " is in Order here . A POTUS Escalating a Military Conflict without the American People's IMPUT is an Unconstitutional Criminal Act .

Helping Ukraine defend/beat the guy who has had Nukes pointed at them for 60 years?

TREASON Treeeeeeeeeson i tell theee

How dare we knock out a strategic competitor hellbent on countering our foreign policy with other peer competitors building an axis against us

THIS IS PREPOSTEROUS

How dare we ensure our survival

RETREAT

LMAO omg lol you guys are great

As an American Citizen , I , and Tens of Millions of my Fellow American Citizens STILL Consider Russia and Ukraine as ENEMIES of the United States . If you are somehow looking for Sympathy considering the Conflict between those Two Foreign Powers , you will get NONE . Let them Both Kill each other till the Cows come Home while My PRESENT Corrupt Federal Government gets itself Involved in yet ANOTHER Proxy War Against the Best Wishes of it's People that will Not End Well for the American People .

So Ukraine wanting freedom, democracy, Independence and to retain its national integrity is your enemy ?

What?

And, The one who started the War is your enemy? BUT NOT YOUR ENEMY? Yeah they're my enemy too.. i want to impeach Biden ?

Huh? Yeah sure what happened to ... Let them kill each other?

Do you see how utterly confusing you are?

Ok so THEN WHAT? let Russia win?

How does that effect the world afterwards? because i guarantee you Russia knows exactly whats going down, hence the reason for the War

How does that affect the US/West after if Russia wins?

Because i dont think you've personally done a ounce of research in that CATASTROPHIC scenario

Because what i do think, is you're so polarized and entrenched in your own domestic political affairs you're completely blind to the power moves while you sleep with your MAGA duvet... lets get real here...you just see Ukraine linked with Biden, don't you? and therefore GRRR We must destroy Ukraine in order to feel better about Biden, this is the definition of brainwashed & entrenched, that's all? you're not even looking outside

You're not doing... Ok what are the strategic implications and geopolitical implications of FAILING TO PROTECT ALLIES AND SPHERES OF INFLUENCE, what you're doing is utter brain-farting, its embarrassing

Europe will swing further in favor of Russian/Chinese ties, The ex soviet states will begin to ask should we just roll over? where allies? whats the point?

And when Russia is banging your ex

China will see it as a green light to go and do exactly the same to your wife in the Indo-Pacific

You guys a WEAK AF you have no idea what you're doing NONE, leave it to the professionals to stop you turning even quicker into a 3rd world, you have to defend your interests or just bend over and let Beijing dictate to you?

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

" Because contrary to russian propaganda, the US and NATO have no interest in fighting russia, only in helping Ukraine defend itself from an invasion. "


Is that Your Personal Opinion , or do you have Inside Information to Support that Claim > ?

See every public statement by every US leader and high ranking military official since Feb 24.

Google might help.

So let me Ask you Man , do you have a BS Degree in Jibba Jabba ? It Sure Sounds like it ............

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

A No Confidence Vote can be Petitioned by the American People at ANY TIME according to the Constitution Of The United States . You are Incorrect .

So what you gonna do patriot?

Vote no confidence because Russia was getting crushed?

LMFAO

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

A No Confidence Vote can be Petitioned by the American People at ANY TIME according to the Constitution Of The United States . You are Incorrect .

So what you gonna do patriot?

Vote no confidence because Russia was getting crushed?

LMFAO

What Happens in Europe does not Concern me , and it should Not Concern the American Government if said Conflict Does Not Pose a DIRECT THREAT to the United States itself . That is the LAW of my Land Even though some of Our " Elected Representatives " choose to Ignore the Law and ACT Otherwise .

I don't see why the US needs to send tanks to Ukraine. Every story I've seen since April seems to indicate that Ukraine is winning on all fronts, Russia is being routed and is on the verge of collapse. Sending in top of the line tanks seems like a waste.

And I haven't seen any stories of other countries supplying weapons to Ukraine. Where is the military hardware from France, Germany, Britain, Israel, Turkey, etc.? I admit, I haven't been keeping up, but I would have thought there might be some stories about how many billions our allies have been donating.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

A No Confidence Vote can be Petitioned by the American People at ANY TIME according to the Constitution Of The United States . You are Incorrect .

So what you gonna do patriot?

Vote no confidence because Russia was getting crushed?

LMFAO

What Happens in Europe does not Concern me , and it should Not Concern the American Government if said Conflict Does Not Pose a DIRECT THREAT to the United States itself . That is the LAW of my Land Even though some of Our " Elected Representatives " choose to Ignore the Law and ACT Otherwise .

Umm unfortunately it does

Utter Chamberlain moment here

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: TritonTaranis

Ah , why doesn't the United States and the Criminal Biden Administration just Declare WAR with the Russian Federation Already ? The MAJORITY of the American People Do Not Support the Ukraine nor the Russian Federation .

Citation needed.

A Vote of " No Confidence " is in Order here . A POTUS Escalating a Military Conflict without the American People's IMPUT is an Unconstitutional Criminal Act .

No, it's not. Where did you get that idea?

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom
I don't see why the US needs to send tanks to Ukraine. Every story I've seen since April seems to indicate that Ukraine is winning on all fronts, Russia is being routed and is on the verge of collapse. Sending in top of the line tanks seems like a waste.

And I haven't seen any stories of other countries supplying weapons to Ukraine. Where is the military hardware from France, Germany, Britain, Israel, Turkey, etc.? I admit, I haven't been keeping up, but I would have thought there might be some stories about how many billions our allies have been donating.

Ukraine has been steadily taking back territory, but slowly and at great human cost.

M1s would greatly reduce both the time and human cost required to remove russia from Ukraine.

Also, tanks are currently among the worst part of Ukraine's current arsenal (after planes).

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

" Because contrary to russian propaganda, the US and NATO have no interest in fighting russia, only in helping Ukraine defend itself from an invasion. "


Is that Your Personal Opinion , or do you have Inside Information to Support that Claim > ?

See every public statement by every US leader and high ranking military official since Feb 24.

Google might help.

So let me Ask you Man , do you have a BS Degree in Jibba Jabba ? It Sure Sounds like it ............

Preparing for PhD, ATS is very helpful for that.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: TritonTaranis
.....The MAJORITY of the American People Do Not Support the Ukraine nor the Russian Federation . A Vote of " No Confidence " is in Order here . A POTUS Escalating a Military Conflict without the American People's IMPUT is an Unconstitutional Criminal Act .

Not sure where you are getting your information from. Here are the results from a recent (August 18) poll on the subject by the Chicago Council on Global affairs:

Key Findings:

"Majorities continue to support US economic and diplomatic sanctions against Russia (80%), accepting Ukrainian refugees into the United States (76%), providing additional arms and military supplies to the Ukrainian government (72%), and giving economic assistance to Ukraine (71%).

Nearly four in 10 support sending US troops to defend Ukraine (38%).

By a six-to-four ratio, Americans say the United States should support Ukraine for as long as it takes, even if American households will have to pay higher gas and food prices in consequence. However, there are significant partisan differences."

It is true that a majority of the population does not support sending troops, but material and financial support for Ukraine against Russia is strong.

www.thechicagocouncil.org...

You are probably one of those "partisans" on the Trump side of the spectrum. If you only ever talk to others like yourself, you could easily be fooled into thinking yours is the majority position.

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom
I don't see why the US needs to send tanks to Ukraine. Every story I've seen since April seems to indicate that Ukraine is winning on all fronts, Russia is being routed and is on the verge of collapse. Sending in top of the line tanks seems like a waste.

And I haven't seen any stories of other countries supplying weapons to Ukraine. Where is the military hardware from France, Germany, Britain, Israel, Turkey, etc.? I admit, I haven't been keeping up, but I would have thought there might be some stories about how many billions our allies have been donating.

That's actually crazy to me that you don't know, yet have an opinion based on nothing, Just about every country you mentioned has sent hardware including just about every other nation that can be bothered to defend and upholding the rules based international order

Australia, Belgium, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, North Macedonia, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Turkey, the UK and the US.

Ill post just a few otherwise it would take all night

France - Caesar howitzer self-propelled 155mm and other support

UK MLRS

Aussie Bushmaster

US Pro Maxx

UK Starsteak mounted stromer

German Panzerhaubitze 2000 howitzers

US HIMARS

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

The MAJORITY of the American People Do Not Support the Ukraine nor the Russian Federation .

speak for yourself and not others.

The big picture:
Roughly 53% of Americans surveyed said they supported the U.S. backing Ukraine "until all Russian forces are withdrawn," Reuters reported.

Only about 18% of respondents said they opposed such a move.

The support for the American backing of Ukraine was bipartisan, with 66% of Democrats and 51% of Republicans in favor.

In addition, 51% of respondents favored sending arms to Ukraine, while 22% opposed it.

Most Americans surveyed opposed sending American troops to Ukraine — with only 26% supporting — but 43% supported sending U.S. troops to NATO countries neighboring Ukraine.

58% of the Americans surveyed said they were following Russia's invasion of Ukraine very or somewhat closely.

Methodology: This Reuters/Ipsos poll was conducted Aug. 16-17 among 1,005 adults. The margin of sampling error is ±3.8 percentage points.

Majority of Americans say U.S. should back Ukraine until Russia withdraws

originally posted by: 1947boomer

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: TritonTaranis
.....The MAJORITY of the American People Do Not Support the Ukraine nor the Russian Federation . A Vote of " No Confidence " is in Order here . A POTUS Escalating a Military Conflict without the American People's IMPUT is an Unconstitutional Criminal Act .

Not sure where you are getting your information from. Here are the results from a recent (August 18) poll on the subject by the Chicago Council on Global affairs:

Key Findings:

"Majorities continue to support US economic and diplomatic sanctions against Russia (80%), accepting Ukrainian refugees into the United States (76%), providing additional arms and military supplies to the Ukrainian government (72%), and giving economic assistance to Ukraine (71%).

Nearly four in 10 support sending US troops to defend Ukraine (38%).

By a six-to-four ratio, Americans say the United States should support Ukraine for as long as it takes, even if American households will have to pay higher gas and food prices in consequence. However, there are significant partisan differences."

It is true that a majority of the population does not support sending troops, but material and financial support for Ukraine against Russia is strong.

www.thechicagocouncil.org...

You are probably one of those "partisans" on the Trump side of the spectrum. If you only ever talk to others like yourself, you could easily be fooled into thinking yours is the majority position.

You know Boomer , Polls are like Arseholes , Everybody has one . I do not Listen to LAME Propaganda , so , do You > ? ...Hmm..

The US/EU wants a war with Russia this would be one step closer.


I highly doubt those tanks would be in Ukraine if anything but for the NATO training in Poland..

a reply to: BernnieJGato

" speak for yourself and not others."


Your a FAKE American Citizen , NEXT..............

a reply to: BernnieJGato

Ah yes the poll the same polls which majority of alleged people wanted to punsih people for refusing the Covid Vaccines through by paying the taxes?

The support for the American backing of Ukraine was bipartisan, with 66% of Democrats

Who knew that the democrats would be the biggest war mongers next to the Republicans.