Armenia dumping Russia CSTO is collapsing

It appears Russia's poor mans NATO CSTO is collapsing from Armenia to Kyrgyzstan to Tajikistan.


The CSTO is dominated by Russia, which at the moment appears unable to manage its own war in Ukraine, let alone intervene to assist an ally in the Caucasus. Analysts suggest that by launching the offensive, Azerbaijan is testing Russia’s resolve.

“Azerbaijan wanted to test the Russian and international reactions, also how the Armenian army will react,” military analyst Leonid Nersisyan told Eurasianet.

"The power of the Russian flag has declined considerably, and the security system across the former Soviet space does seem to be broken," Laurence Broers, associate fellow at Chatham House, told The Guardian. ”We are seeing the collapse of Russia's reputation as a security patron, which is happening both at the material level with the massive force concentration on Ukraine, but also on the subjective level of the reputation of Russian security guarantees.”

Even before Russia’s troubles in Ukraine, however, Armenians had been skeptical of the CSTO’s ability to act as a security provider.

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Video of Current Protest with US flags

A previously announced rally for Armenia's withdrawal from the CSTO continues in Yerevan on France Square

And also with a recent visit from Pelosi
Pelosi Visists Armenia

Moving on to other members of CSTO
Death toll rises to 81 in Tajikistan-Kyrgyzstan border clashes

A further 139 people had been wounded in the fighting on the southwestern border, it said.

The previous toll given by the ministry was 24 dead.

Meanwhile, the number of deaths on the Kyrgyz side rose to 46, making it the worst flare-up between the two Central Asian countries in years.

Kyrgyzstan said nearly 136,000 residents were also evacuated from villages near Tajikistan.

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Sunday called for “no further escalation” between Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.

In phone calls with the leaders of the Central Asian nations, Putin also urged them to “take steps to resolve the situation as soon as possible by exclusively peaceful, political and diplomatic means”.

Looks like Russia's global influence in all Geopolitical spheres is collapsing or KAPUT, except its puppet master China's of-course, i think that will be the sentiment in Russia Pretty soon as Putin's Russia is slowly dismantled, and the narrative will become LOOK what PUTIN & THE CCP did to Russia and our prosperity and freedoms

Onward to Beijing NAFO fellas

a reply to: TritonTaranis

Whatever we may think Azerbaijan is the BAD buy in that, they are also the invader whose entire territory was STOLEN from Armenians.

The Armenians are a distinct ethnic group and a very ancient culture whom just happen to also be Christians.

So when the international community failed to recognize that Nagorno Karabakh (not sure how to spell that one) was actually part of Armenia they did a severe disservice to the Armenians whom had lived there since the year of Zero.

I don't really care about Russia's international antic's at the moment but I DO believe that Armenia should definitely have received aid and backing from the west and the only reason it did not was because it may upset Tukey and also a few other ISLAMIC nations in the region whom love to murder Armenians and of course OIL and other resources were a factor in that.

Turkey once tried to wipe the Armenians out.





Armenia is just a tiny fragment of what was once there's left to these people yet there are those in the world that would happily see our brothers and sisters whom remember are Christian's be wiped out.

a reply to: LABTECH767
Thank you Labtech
Rainbows
Jane

a reply to: LABTECH767


I don't disagree with anything you said, a very good insightful response, however They obviously had the wrong security guarantor in Russia

Russia doesn't seem to understand its place in the new world, its outlook and foreign policy is a dated one based on its ideological past/roots, hence it has looked East to like minded ideological enemies of the West with chips on their shoulders, i think that will all change when Putins gone, and peace across the European/Eurasian spheres will follow, and China will certainly fear that

Firstly, it would be good to see both Armenia and Georgia in NATO

a reply to: TritonTaranis

I agree but Turkey would never allow it and would block there entry.

So I don't think it was so much them choosing as having no other choice.

To be honest Turkey would never have been in NATO but it was seen as geopolitically vital to the US strategy with NATO back in the 50's and so they invested heavily in Turkey's infrastructure, built roads etc in Turkey to get them onboard with countering the Soviet union in that region.

I am not sure how valuable Turkey's membership was during that time and in fact the US spitefully let Britain and France lose control of the Suez Canal not because it was not of strategic importance because it was but because they actually did not want the UK and France to regain there former level's of power since the US was now the dominant power in the world and they wanted to stay that way.

So was Turkey simply there answer to allowing the Soviets to gain unbridled passage through the Suez and allowing a Soviet Ally Egypt to take full control of it, they were playing many games at the same time and despite our close alliance were not actually always our friend's even if we saw them as such, that is not to say ALL the US just certain policy's of the US and it's strategic manoeuvring around the globe which sometimes saw there interests being put ahead and actually being detrimental to our own.

Well actually no because Turkey joined before the Suez Crisis but it did play a part in the US deciding to let the Soviet Allied Egypt take full control of it and that was a bad move in anyone's book although in the end it all worked out, kind of.

It was also kind of counter productive to the US own foreign policy as Israel which became there proxy in the Region could so easily have fallen and soviet influence all through the middle east so easily have increased.

Thankfully I think both superpowers were playing the game blind and with halfwit's for foreign strategists but that could also have been a recipe for disaster so perhaps we should look UP and be thankful it did not.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: TritonTaranis

I agree but Turkey would never allow it and would block there entry.

So I don't think it was so much them choosing as having no other choice.

I don't think its yet clear whats going on between Russia & Turkey because it appears to be a really stupid move on both their parts, its going to lose Russia yet more support with Greece and Armenia and others, Including Russians themselves

However Erodigan is a hard line Islamist and fits into Putin & Iran sphere, yet is behind arming and funding Azerbaijan against a Russian ally

I think perhaps as much as Putin want to harm Europe and rebuild the Soviet Union, while Erodigan Has his own Ottoman Empire ambitions right across the central Eurasian belt

Both Collectively they're a wildcard

In a bipartisan statement, the two Greek-American politicians noted that “one picture is worth 1,000 words.”

They added that the meeting between Turkey’s Erdogan, Russia’s Putin, and Iran’s Raisi “should send a clear message to the Biden Administration and Congress that Turkey cannot, and must not, be trusted.”

a reply to: TritonTaranis

I agree, I think Erdogan is a potential knife in our back just waiting but then again I think he has his own design's.

Remember when Isis were selling stolen oil to him and his son was involved in selling it on.

My family was fortunate to get out right before the genocide. We are Armenian but lived in Turkey near Harput. My family member had the title Pasha ( ruler ) in the Ottoman Empire. We left in 1913. The world did nothing during the genocide.

The reason we left was because of a young Russian boys' prophecy. He and his family left Russia due to Christian persecution. They came over the mountains in a wagon and lived in a stone house in Armenia, about 100 miles from where my family lived. The boy had a vision about the coming genocide and wrote it down to warn all Armenians. My great grandmother went to a church tent meeting, and they read the prophecy there. It had instructions from God as to what to do and where to go, complete with maps. We were to go around the planet to another continent (America), and enter through thew east coast, then make our way across to the west coast where we were to reside. She went home and told my great grandfather that we had to leave. He went first and made preparations. Then My Great grandmother walked all the way to the seaport, probably in Greece holding two little boy's hands. They got on a ship and that's why I am here on the West coast of America now.

There is my great grandmother's uncle

a reply to: TritonTaranis

Is Russia not a member of Shanghai Cooperation Organisation.. NATO like agenda that is gaining in members and strength?|

There is so much propaganda, do many lies, so much bovine feces being pumped out by all sides that I doubt everything I see and hear from there.

This much is evident:

There is a fight happening.
Its ramifications extend way beyond the territorial borders of where it's happening.

Nothing else if believable.

I do know this, as I heard it expressed long ago: Russia plays at chess; the west plays at poker.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: TritonTaranis

Is Russia not a member of Shanghai Cooperation Organisation.. NATO like agenda that is gaining in members and strength?|

Shanghai Cooperation Organisation Is essentially an extended CSTO but with China running the show instead of Russia's collapsed version, however most of SCTO is also in Shanghai Cooperation Organisation

Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan, are all suppose to be Dialogue partners within the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation

Main Members of Shanghai Cooperation Organisation

Pakistan
India

I mean? not a good start right there, and that is not fixable, other members

Kyrgyzstan
Tajikistan

Oh dear... were of to a terrible start

Russia
Uzbekistan
Kazakhstan

And with other observer states like

Iran
Belarus
Sri Lanka
Cambodia

I think they're all very vulnerable fragile countries with long history's of conflicts with each other which i dont see ending at all anytime soon, certainly the biggest problem for a lot of these central countries THE STANS for example, are going to be increasingly concerned over water resources in the coming decades than China's strategic struggles, at the minute its not much more of a threat than China poses because none of them has offensive power projection other than China

Also Russia is listed as having 1 Million active military troops on the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, LMFAO they wish

What else is wrong? all of it

I mean the majority would do well to focus on their own domestic problems and infrastructure than getting involved in global power politics because it just invites color revolutions

What are the ‘colour revolutions’ that China’s Xi Jinping has warned against?
Speaking in the city of Samarkand in Uzbekistan at the annual SCO summit, Xi called upon member states to support efforts by each country to safeguard their own security and development interests.
LINK

I'm glad your covering this. Turkmenistand and Armenia are going at it. Then two other countries that border Russia starting another full blown conflict, these are two.

And this occured after Russia pulled out of western Ukraine and the Ukrainains launched an offensive to reclaim lost ground. Countries surrouding Russia with prior hostilties smell weakness. And right now, Russia is very hurt as they are pouring more time and resources into a conflict that anticipated no laster more than a few months.

We are looking at Winter, could be a reason why Russia pulled out, no one wants to war in the northern latitudes during winter, they are already lacking in troops.

This is a mess and it looks like Russia took the bait.

a reply to: TritonTaranis
I think even China is taking advantage of Russians apparent weakness.

From President Xi the day before he met with Putin:
"No matter how the international situation changes, we will continue to resolutely support Kazakhstan in protecting its independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity," Mr Xi said during a meeting with President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev, according to a Kazakh government statement.

www.straitstimes.com...

After China has spent billions on Kazakh infrastructure, he may be willing to protect that investment.

a reply to: TritonTaranis

Not quite true.There are Armenians who support Russia because of historical events which i know some Pro Ukrainian types here who seek anything to justify as a blowing event for Ru.

When the opposite it is the other way around

a reply to: cenpuppie

There is reason why Ru withdrawn from those areas in Urk.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: TritonTaranis

Is Russia not a member of Shanghai Cooperation Organisation.. NATO like agenda that is gaining in members and strength?|

Yes just like Armenia

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: cenpuppie

There is reason why Ru withdrawn from those areas in Urk.

russian tv said it was due to the 'hoards' of NATO trained nazi troops chasing russians all the way back to the russian border.

Was that not true?

a reply to: TritonTaranis

Seems like your sharing quite a number of propaganda.
No different from the western MSM.

The first link in your post.

Eurasianet is a website based in the United States that provides news

And also with a recent visit from Pelosi Visists Armenia

Because you Americans are always trying to use countries in Eastern Eupore agaisnt Russia.Whatever its in Eastern Europe.

The biggest screw ups that your Pelosi managed to do was to criticize azerbaijan for starting the crisis despite that EU is now getting the oil and gas from azerbaijan.


Azerbaijan has being working with Russia regarding the oil trades.

Kazakhstan to start oil sales via Azeri pipeline to bypass Russia

a reply to: MidnightWatcher

I can see you had being taking the NAFO talking points...

originally posted by: Scrable
a reply to: TritonTaranis
I think even China is taking advantage of Russians apparent weakness.

From President Xi the day before he met with Putin:
"No matter how the international situation changes, we will continue to resolutely support Kazakhstan in protecting its independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity," Mr Xi said during a meeting with President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev, according to a Kazakh government statement.

www.straitstimes.com...

After China has spent billions on Kazakh infrastructure, he may be willing to protect that investment.

You do realize China and Russia are on the same page economically do you?