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originally posted by: rnaa

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: rnaa

'Government communications' are not 'presidential records'.

Wrong. You have read the Presidential Records Act (or at least the part relevant here). You know the definition.

A presidential record is EXACTLY those documents generated by the executive branch in order to do carry out its work. At the end of an individual's term in Office, those papers are SUPPOSED to be turned over to NARA for safekeeping.

Those records belong to the Office of the President NOT the individual who holds the office. Trump is no longer President, he has no control over them anymore.

No matter how many times you keep trying to conflate the Office and the Individual, it will NEVER be and Trump's attempt to hide them from NARA and lie about their existence is willful THEFT.

Ignoring the FRA definition of 'presidential records' again?

They were his property when he left office (according to FRA, democrats didn't even try to make them 'government communications' until biden took office, so knock off the 'theft' nonsense already.

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

originally posted by: rnaa

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: rnaa

'Government communications' are not 'presidential records'.

Wrong. You have read the Presidential Records Act (or at least the part relevant here). You know the definition.

A presidential record is EXACTLY those documents generated by the executive branch in order to do carry out its work. At the end of an individual's term in Office, those papers are SUPPOSED to be turned over to NARA for safekeeping.

Those records belong to the Office of the President NOT the individual who holds the office. Trump is no longer President, he has no control over them anymore.

No matter how many times you keep trying to conflate the Office and the Individual, it will NEVER be and Trump's attempt to hide them from NARA and lie about their existence is willful THEFT.

Ignoring the FRA definition of 'presidential records' again?

They were his property when he left office (according to FRA, democrats didn't even try to make them 'government communications' until biden took office, so knock off the 'theft' nonsense already.

Do you mean PRA?

Rivkin and Casey argue that Trump’s “possession” of the documents is lawful, and thus the three criminal statutes in the warrant do not apply, because Trump has a “right of access” to the documents under the PRA.

I think this argument is wrong. The PRA says that “upon the conclusion of a President’s term of office, … the Archivist … shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records of that President.” More importantly, it says that the United States “shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records.” The PRA also says that the archivist “shall deposit all such Presidential records in a Presidential archival depository or another archival facility operated by the United States”

www.lawfareblog.com...

a reply to: Annee

Who decides what is presidential record and what is personal record.......?

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Annee

Who decides what is presidential record and what is personal record.......?

How many times does this need to be answered?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Annee

Who decides what is presidential record and what is personal record.......?

How many times does this need to be answered?

Correctly or incorrectly?

a reply to: Annee


Yes, typo.


The corrupt democrats and doj aren't even arguing that Trump didn't have a right to possess these docs when he left office, their entire claim is that biden later made these documents 'not presidential records', so Trump can't legally possess them.

Something that obviously happened AFTER Trump left office with his gsa packed documents.

Because biden obviously had no ability to do that before Trump left office.

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Annee

Who decides what is presidential record and what is personal record.......?

How many times does this need to be answered?

Correctly or incorrectly?

Until everyone stops disagreeing with her deranged answer.

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: Annee


Yes, typo.


The corrupt democrats and doj aren't even arguing that Trump didn't have a right to possess these docs when he left office, their entire claim is that biden later made these documents 'not presidential records', so Trump can't legally possess them.

Something that obviously happened AFTER Trump left office with his gsa packed documents.

Because biden obviously had no ability to do that before Trump left office.

Oh, once again -- innocent Trump -- corrupt Dems and DOJ.

Repeat, Repeat, Repeat.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: Annee


Yes, typo.


The corrupt democrats and doj aren't even arguing that Trump didn't have a right to possess these docs when he left office, their entire claim is that biden later made these documents 'not presidential records', so Trump can't legally possess them.

Something that obviously happened AFTER Trump left office with his gsa packed documents.

Because biden obviously had no ability to do that before Trump left office.

Oh, once again -- innocent Trump -- corrupt Dems and DOJ.

Repeat, Repeat, Repeat.

So can't support your absurd claims about 'theft'?

doj can't either.

a reply to: JinMI

Let's say it is up to the President to determine what they consider to be their personal records and what are their Presidential records, why would Trump need a special master for executive privilege if all of these were personal records? Why did Trump return 15 boxes to NARA if everything in them were personal records? Why did Trump's lawyers hand over another 12 boxes when served with a subpoena for classified, Presidential records if all of those documents were personal records?

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Let's say it is up to the President to determine what they consider to be their personal records and what are their Presidential records, why would Trump need a special master for executive privilege if all of these were personal records?

That's not what I claimed. I was responding specifically to the PRA claims.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: JinMI

Let's say it is up to the President to determine what they consider to be their personal records and what are their Presidential records, why would Trump need a special master for executive privilege if all of these were personal records? Why did Trump return 15 boxes to NARA if everything in them were personal records? Why did Trump's lawyers hand over another 12 boxes when served with a subpoena for classified, Presidential records if all of those documents were personal records?

Because democrats see an imaginary expiration date on 'presidential records', and are using that imaginary expiration date to claim that Trump committed crimes, while refusing to show their 'evidence' to a judge or the accused.

Exactly the type of thing a special master can get to the bottom of.

a reply to: MidnightWatcher

Evidence has been presented to a judge. That's how they got their search warrant. That said, the DOJ is under no obligation to provide the evidence they have to anyone until an indictment is made and the case goes to trial.

Lol
No charges

Dimwit is discussing an actual criminal trial




Ahahahahaha

We are still arguing this? This is a very good read.

Link

a reply to: matafuchs

Just like I asked CWM when they posted the same article, did you actually read past the headline? Once again, here is the closing line:

As things now stand, Cannon has rendered an indefensible and politically partisan decision.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

You pick and choose one line. Tsk Tsk Tsk. I did read the whole article.

a reply to: matafuchs

So then you agree with the article's many criticisms of Cannon throughout, the insinuation that Trump transported documents to Bedminster, and the claim that Trump is guilty for possessing classified documents?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: matafuchs

Just like I asked CWM when they posted the same article, did you actually read past the headline? Once again, here is the closing line:

As things now stand, Cannon has rendered an indefensible and politically partisan decision.

Many politicos have exactly the same opinion.

They also told us that democrats didn't illegally spy on the Trump administration and campaign.

Yet you still think they have any credibility?

a reply to: Xcalibur254

No, I do not have to agree with everything I read. I just said it was a good read.