CONFIRMED: As Gateway Pundit Reported — FBI Doctored Mar-a-Lago Photo

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Are those part of what was declassified on J19?

(democrats are pretending that didn't happen)

Good thing we got a special master to find out eh?

9.9.2022

WARNING -- CORRUPT DOJ ON DISPLAY!

The Justice Department is Warning Federal Judge Aileen Cannon to comply....or else!

A comprehensively corrupt and politically motivated U.S. Justice Department has appealed the part of Judge Cannon’s previous order appointing a special master with authority to review documents the FBI collected at Mar-a-Lago last month.

The corrupt and politically motivated Lawfare prosecutors state they have serious concerns about handing government secrets to a third party and will not allow it.

In essence, the DOJ-NSD, an agency within the justice department created by Eric Holder, is claiming no one outside the DOJ-NSD should be allowed to review the documents they have defined as “national security” interests. Main Justice really, really doesn’t want anyone seeing what the DOJ-NSD are defining.

The DOJ lawyers begin by telling the judge she must respond to them on their timeline, or else they will go to the eleventh circuit court of appeals and have them block her ruling. Do as we say, or else…

More at: theconservativetreehouse.com... emands-no-party-outside-doj-should-have-right-to-see-or-review-their-identified-classified-documents/#more-237501

Why is the 11th Circuit Court "DOJ Friendly"? Have the judges there been successfully blackmailed and/or coerced into obedience to the U.S. Dept of Justice?

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
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Are those part of what was declassified on J19?

(democrats are pretending that didn't happen)

Good thing we got a special master to find out eh?

I don't know. What was declassified on J19?

It is a fact that Trump has not claimed IN HIS COURT FILINGS that any of these documents were declassified. At any time. Period.

Sure, he has said that he waved a magic wand in speeches and his Pravda posts, but notice that he has carefully avoided repeating the lie where he might get in legal trouble for it.

Democrats are not 'pretending' anything. The Department of Defense and the Director of National Security are educating the public on the actual process of declassification that must be followed, and magic wands ain't it.

The DoD and the DNI are also investigating what damage the mishandling has caused to national security.

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He is claiming that they are unclassified and exec priv docs.

Something that would be easy for democrats to disprove by showing even a single illegally possessed doc to the court or special master.

Does anyone wonder why democrats refuse to do that?

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: rnaa


He is claiming that they are unclassified and exec priv docs.

Something that would be easy for democrats to disprove by showing even a single illegally possessed doc to the court or special master.

Does anyone wonder why democrats refuse to do that?

When Democrats refuse a process, it's because they are GUILTY.

Democrats:

Example 1: Don't you dare conduct an in-depth election audit!

Example 2: Why the hell would I take a Cognitive test!?

Example 3: Don't Even Question if Officer Byrd was out of line for shooting Rioter Ashli Babbitt.

Example 4: Yes, we in Congress Exempted Ourselves from the Covid-19 Vaccine. Don't Ask Why.

Example 5: We don't Need to Verify that Trump tried to choke-out his Secret Service driver.

There are many more..

Update 9.9.2022

SPECIAL MASTER choices have been submitted by the Trump team and by the Dept of Justice.

Who They Are: www.cnn.com...

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

A pretty important section of the 'presidential records' definition.

It defines (in a backwards kind of way) which types of documents are never 'presidential records' and are outside the scope of FRA and NARA.

Section A.

Let me know if you continue to have trouble finding it in your native English.

You still haven't identified WHICH section A you are talking about.

Why do you avoid identifying EXACTLY what you mean by 'Section A', and why don't you tell us EXACTLY what you think the section does to remove these documents from being 'Presidential Records'.

If you cannot do that you have no argument. Period.

I will assume you mean this then: 2201.2.A:

(A) includes any documentary materials relating to the political activities of the President or members of the President’s staff, but only if such activities relate to or have a direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President;

So, since I have consistently and explicitly excluded documents that meet that carve out, such as campaign documents, attorney/client communications, and utility bills from the 'Presidential Record' category in my part of the discussion, EXACTLY what part of that 'only if' clause do you think applies to which documents seized in the search?

Which documents do NOT 'relate to or have a direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President' do you think ARE being claimed as 'Presidential Records'.

Are you claiming that all these records are 'personal records'? Even, for example, the classified documents?

Assuming the documents that were seized are a mixture of 'Presidential Records' and 'Personal Records':

1) what do think the FBI is doing with 'personal records' that it comes across? Have you ever heard of a 'FBI Filter Team' and what their job is?
2) the mixture implies that at least some of the seized records were 'Presidential Records' and therefore Trump has willfully hidden them from NARA and that is tantamount to THEFT. How does that help your narrative?

Please do not bother deflecting to some other strawman argument, answer these questions so we can understand exactly what your argument is.

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Yes, that section that has already been discussed here many times.


Do you see an expiration date on the 'Only If' section?

biden does.





He also sees a section that gives the current POTUS the right to eliminate the priv that had been asserted by a former POTUS?

Do you see that anywhere?





No?

Then your TDS isn't as bad as biden, doj, fbi, and the democrat party.

Yet.





Before you even try...

democrats haven't argued that the priv was asserted improperly or to improper types of docs, their sole 'claim' is that imaginary expiration clause.

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: rnaa


He is claiming that they are unclassified and exec priv docs.

Who is claiming this? Certainly Trump hasn't claimed it anywhere that makes any difference. He hasn't claimed it in court, only in his speeches and his Pravda posts.

Why doesn't he make this claim in COURT? What is he afraid of?

The documents with classified markings on them do not contain declassification markings indicating that they have gone through the declassification process and therefore are NOT unclassified. Period.

Trump NO LONGER has any prerogative to assert Executive Privilege. Even if he had asserted EP over the documents while he was still President, the documents are STILL Presidential Records and thus Government property that should be in the possession of the NARA, NOT Trump, so THEFT. How does that help your narrative?

Something that would be easy for democrats to disprove by showing even a single illegally possessed doc to the court or special master.

Please try to keep up. Because you apparently missed the photograph of classified documents that were seized.

For those who have also been asleep for the last month, the FBI search team arranged the classified documents they found in a box mixed in with other non-classified and personal items on the floor to document the crime scene. The distinctive background (the unique carpet pattern) in the photograph helps prove that the photo was taken at Mar-a-lago. The DOJ included the photograph in a Court submission in Trump's motion to publish the search warrant.

Every single one of those classified documents was in the illegal personal possession of Donald J. Trump. Trump hid them from NARA and gave a sworn attestation that there were no more such records in his possession.

The DOJ has provided that evidence to the court, and the court has allowed it to be openly published. Nothing about it has been disputed by Trump - IN COURT - not one word.

Your demand to see evidence that has already been submitted into the public record is disingenuous and childish. It does not help your narrative nor your perceived trustworthiness.

Does anyone wonder why democrats refuse to do that?

Democrats are not refusing to do that, it just isn't their job.

However the Department of Justice and the FBI have indeed done exactly what you asked for - and at Trump's request, not yours.

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: rnaa

Yes, that section that has already been discussed here many times.

Do you see an expiration date on the 'Only If' section?

biden does.

What do those words you have published here mean? What does the absence or presence of an 'expiration date' have to do with your argument? This appears to be a strawman argument that bears no resemblance to anything what-so-ever. If you cannot explain what you are talking about, you are no more than a troll.

Which documents, that NARA is claiming as 'Presidential Records', are you claiming are excluded by the 'only if' clause you are so fond of?

He also sees a section that gives the current POTUS the right to eliminate the priv that had been asserted by a former POTUS?

Do you see that anywhere?

No?

Again, what the heck are you talking about?

Look I'll throw your silly 'expiration date' question back at you: where in the PRA does it say ANYTHING about 'Executive Privilege'?

Anyway, if Trump is going to claim 'Executive Privilege' over some document or other, it must BY DEFINITION be a 'Presidential Record'. What is the use of exerting 'Executive Privilege' over a water bill for crying out loud?

You need to educate your self about what Executive Privilege is. Then at least you will understand it, lord knows Trump doesn't, or pretends he doesn't to his faithful MAGATs.

Here is a starting point for you: (Wikipedia: Executive Privilege)

Executive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch and to resist some subpoenas and other oversight by the legislative and judicial branches of government in pursuit of particular information or personnel relating to those confidential communications. The right comes into effect when revealing information would impair governmental functions. Neither executive privilege nor the oversight power of Congress is explicitly mentioned in the United States Constitution. However, the Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that executive privilege and congressional oversight each are a consequence of the doctrine of the separation of powers, derived from the supremacy of each branch in its own area of Constitutional activity.

(emphasis mine).

Notice it says it is the right of the president of the United States. It does not say it is the right of the FORMER president of the United States.

Then your TDS isn't as bad as biden, doj, fbi, and the democrat party.

Yet.

Before you even try...

democrats haven't argued that the priv was asserted improperly or to improper types of docs, their sole 'claim' is that imaginary expiration clause.

Not one word of that makes ANY sense what-so-ever.

Again, in what way is ANYBODY but you talking about an 'expiration clause' imaginary or not?

The right to assert Executive Privilege belongs to the Executive. Period. End of story.

Trump is NOT the Executive.

Nothing has 'expired' except Trump's term in office.

Name the organization YOU TRUST to tell us the absolute truth?


We have lots of time for you to ponder that.

originally posted by: BaseHead
The Gateway Pundit is a horrible source of news .
Trump is a psychopathic idiot , just like Biden .. so get over it already .
Almost everyone who has been involved in politics from day one are scumbags & will continue… So why get upset … just ignore it all , because nothing you do will change the animal that is man !!!

OH No Please say the FBI is Not Corrupt, That would open the CIA, DOJ all to investigation!!!! I Cannot believe this.....What I cannot believe they kept the stupid, stupid for so long.....

Basehead are you going to name them or are you going to just admit you are swimming in the BS so high you can barely breath! Panic is what I see from the like of people who challenge honest debate with their own dishonesty.

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We are discussing the personal papers of a president, where priv had been asserted and gsa then did not label as 'presidential records'.

democrats are not claiming that this priv was asserted improperly or to improper types of docs.

Your source refers to 'government communications'.

'Government communications' are not 'presidential records'.

There is no expiration date on the priv asserted on these presidential documents, and the priv on existing docs does not transfer to the current POTUS, for that to happen the docs would have to have already been 'government communications' when biden took office, when they were personal documents (usually of a political or legal nature) of a former POTUS.

democrat's are trying to revoke this for a former POTUS, which is one of 3 reasons they are fighting against a special master whose job would be to categorize these docs.

It has never been done before, and there are no 'rules' that allow what democrats are trying to do - which is why they are fighting against a special master.

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So Brave

So Heroic 👨‍🎓

I think they were looking for the time travel watch that Baron tried to sell me back in 98'. But he would not likely have it right now as he is only 16 yrs old atm? The Baron I met in 1998 Phoenix had to be 20 years ; Eighteen at youngest or older. hmm just looked at one of his most recent photos. man he has grown! I take it back he looks exactly like he did back in 1998 when he came walking out of the night mussed and harried looking and asked me if I wanted to buy the gear shaped watch he had on for $60 bucks!


plz don't bother telling me you don't believe me or that I'm crazy...it's true.

Breaking...

Biden Admin mar-a-lago case going down the drain, due to being driven by hate and TDS.

thehill.com...

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: rnaa


We are discussing the personal papers of a president, where priv had been asserted and gsa then did not label as 'presidential records'.

'personal papers of a president = 'presidential records'

Do you read what you write before you post it?

Lol
Someone doesn’t understand the definition section in the cfr

Too funny

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: rnaa

'Government communications' are not 'presidential records'.

Wrong. You have read the Presidential Records Act (or at least the part relevant here). You know the definition.

A presidential record is EXACTLY those documents generated by the executive branch in order to do carry out its work. At the end of an individual's term in Office, those papers are SUPPOSED to be turned over to NARA for safekeeping.

Those records belong to the Office of the President NOT the individual who holds the office. Trump is no longer President, he has no control over them anymore.

No matter how many times you keep trying to conflate the Office and the Individual, it will NEVER be and Trump's attempt to hide them from NARA and lie about their existence is willful THEFT.