The Reaction to My Deep Dive Into Luis Elizondo's IG Complaint - John Greenewald

a reply to: The GUT

I know you’ve suggested in the past they are going to do an ID thing. Maybe.

Anything is possible. Form some degree of the way-out aliens/USGov collusion or a more sober variety of we don’t know anything but don’t want to say it.

My personal belief is they don’t know anything. But I’m NEVER seriously dogmatic on this; however, sometimes I write, usually in a hyperbolic conspiracy fever.

But your right, even though Zondo tries to sound like a scientist and an agnostic, going by the History channel doc, the Skinwalker element has become, besides getting the best ratings, the outward show of the Defense spooks.


What that means is, time will tell.

a reply to: The GUT

Indeed.

A good lie is always based around a truth, and whatever has been unravelling since 2017 has unfortunately sucked the life out of ufology and the majority of its history. Which appears tp be someone's objective after recent comments. Once the book is out I expect it all to collapse and phrases like "forces on the inside still wanted to suppress the truth more than those who wanted it out" will start to appear.

I think the question at the heart of all this is who really is Robert Bigelow?

So little is known of his history and how he really built a Vegas property and hotel business from nothing and yet seemingly evaded the reach of the mob in the 60s and 70s. A man whose employee reviews of both his hotel chain and his space businesses are far from glowing and has obviously been an asset of Uncle Sam too.

He has done little for ufology. He's supposedly spent years funding it, but also destabilizing it. And worse of all he has no nothing to show for it beyond campfire tales, or if he has, he's squirrelled it all away. For what end we can only guess.

There are far worse human beings to have inhabited the planet, of course. But I wonder if he really has a genuine interest in this profound mystery, and/or whether he was simply happy to be a frontman to serve some purpose on behalf of Uncle Sam with a false back story and a fat bank account.

a reply to: mirageman

Let's go back to this one MM.



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originally posted by: peaceinoutz
a reply to: The GUT

I know you’ve suggested in the past they are going to do an ID thing. Maybe.


My personal belief is they don’t know anything.

How much anyone actually knows is a question to be sure. I am guessing someone knows more than us though.

But your right, even though Zondo tries to sound like a scientist and an agnostic, going by the History channel doc, the Skinwalker element has become, besides getting the best ratings, the outward show of the Defense spooks.

If a person concludes Lou & crew aren't rogue IC elements and are therefore following--to some degree--an approved script I find the "precognitive sentience" angle suggestive. Foreshadowing even.

It also happens to be a very versatile MacGuffin. All they have to sufficiently prove to the public is that something along the lines of the IDH is the bigger part of the mystery that we're dealing with. Then they can make the rest of it up and what a powerful piece of business that will be.

I'm still open to any evidence that suggests another working theory, but even following the Lew fans and shills (McMillan etc) on the twit & such I see the narrative being actively shaped and taking hold.

originally posted by: mirageman

I think the question at the heart of all this is who really is Robert Bigelow?

The poor man's Howard Hughes as you've made comparison. Smart, though, not totally clueless. After the loss of his son, however, vulnerable to the likes of those old hands who would become his NIDS/BASS crew. With a little Linda Moulton Howe cray-cray on the side. I think Puthoff & associates found him rather than the opposite.

So, I see him him more as a manageable asset who has enjoyed the intrigue, the woo, and some fruits of good ol' boy networking.

He's enough of an enigma to still be pondering though.

a reply to: The GUT

Like all threads like this - it's getting boring real quick.

originally posted by: karl 12
a reply to: The GUT

Like all threads like this - it's getting boring real quick.

Am I a thread-killer, karl? I get tired of me too!

Fat from it mate, always look forward to your input.

Perhaps by design but all this BS takes away from discussing the core phenomena..

Who gives a toss about boring humans?

a reply to: karl 12

Which is why I mention a catch-22. I'm kind of excited about it all myself. Are we about to get a peek at what the government knows? Like I said before, I think so.

I believe we're going to experience partial disclosure. If that turns out to be true, then at least it's something after all these years. Even if it's only partial and not, of course, for altruistic reasons by tptb to be sure.

I even believe we'll be given enough to blow our minds purty good. So I guess my position is, yes, we are being psy-op'ed but with an actual partial disclosure. Oy! Sounds crazy I know. Seems a pretty snug fit though.

Can only keep it a secret for so long, might as well control the narrative maybe?

As far as the official narrative goes - this has "RIP the Truth" written all over it.
The govt (and its operatives) all speak with forked tongues.

Accepting their timed, non evidenced, threat orientated, force fed "disclosure" should be recognised as the UFO-logy version of Stockholm Syndrome.

Gut - you're just a straight up masochist.

originally posted by: karl 12

.....all this BS takes away from discussing the core phenomena..

Who gives a toss about boring humans?

The problem is that the BS in the topic comes directly from humans. It's hard to clear the clutter away because of the differing motivations of people involved in the field.

The spooks that muddy the waters, the grifters making a quick buck, the cultists wanting the gullible to believe in their own brand of divinity, the re-bunkers who won't let even long debunked cases die and keep bringing them back.

Then even at a purely individual level you have people convinced they know what they saw (something alien). When they really don't know. But they act all defensive when they are questioned, or the evidence really points to something mundane. People really do get confused by stars, satellites and Chinese lanterns but don't like to be told they were actually mistaken.

My stance has always been that there are genuine anomalous sightings that remain a mystery. But that there is far too much resistance to clearing up all the clutter because of the reasons listed above.

originally posted by: Jukiodone

Accepting their timed, non evidenced, threat orientated, force fed "disclosure" should be recognised as the UFO-logy version of Stockholm Syndrome.

Gut - you're just a straight up masochist.

Lol, I feel and share your concern. I think we're basically on the same page though. The only place we probably significantly differ is that I believe that some, a tad, of "meat" will be offered at some point to set the hook. Poisoned meat to be sure.

I could be overestimating what it will take to set that hook. Maybe all they need is the so far weak suggestions and weak evidence presented to achieve whatever goals are on the play board. I mean it does seem to be working to some degree. There's all kinds of new UFO buffs responding to the narrative.

But I can't get past the seeming fact that Uncle Sam now wants us to believe and is going through a lot of trouble and man-hours to achieve it. If that's true, it's very suggestive and demands a bigger, better, more convincing reveal at some point if it's to be harnessed & realized in some significant way.

The easy, usual, motives don't seem to fit the bigger picture. Control and narrative control do seem to fit. So, like I said, I don't believe they can set this hook without coming off a little bit. Just enough to blow the public's mind and achieve, basically, various modes of obedience.

As we move into the entropy stage of the modern societal structure and the management of its decline, I can't think of a better control-mechanism than the potentiality built into this subject.

The evidence shows this:

Zondo took over AASWAP as a part-time effort after they were no longer funded.
It was called ATTIP for the disclosed reason to hide AAWSAP.

So, technically Zondo did run AAWSAP/ATTIP for a while as a part-time effort WITH NO REAL DEPATEMENTAL FUNDING. Remember his boss told him, go ahead and do that UAP thing just make sure you do your main job first.

All he did was take calls from “UAP” experiencers and some interoffice work left over from AAWSAP.

So, the DOD/ Gough dis of Zondo was technically correct. But they could have said the above, but since the nuances of that are too complicated, why bother? You don't admit publically that a person, Zondo, assigned to one department was doing a UFO thing part-time!

All the speculation of a psyop or a disclosure is speculative and subjective. The psyop may be disclosed one day; then, we’ll have evidence.
But the idea of disclosure is unprecedented, and we don’t have or can’t have any idea how that would go.

Stop lobbying politicians and governments and start lobbying scientists and universities.
You're lobbying the Vatican when you should be lobbying Galileo.

a reply to: peaceinoutz

Yes, Elizondo is like the guy filing away the documents and wrapping up all the loose ends after Major Hector Quintanilla was moved on in late 1969 and then claiming he was Director of Project Green File (a nickname for Project Blue book).Not even at the lowly lever of desk officer Nick Pope at the MoD!!

But then what exactly did he do for 7 years without funding? He has no body of work to show for it beyond a couple of videos released via an incomplete form and one previously stolen from the NImitz in 2004 (allegedly).

So what actually are his objectives now?

originally posted by: DiZZyViZiON
Stop lobbying politicians and governments and start lobbying scientists and universities.
You're lobbying the Vatican when you should be lobbying Galileo.

Do you not think that if the evidence was strong enough that the scientists and academics would take the subject seriously?

a reply to: mirageman

No, I don't.
They wouldn't waste their time looking for evidence. They've been conditioned to believe it's all a load of nonsense; that if it's not tall-tales or misidentification then it's just a poorly understood natural atmospheric phenomeon.
Two words should be dropped to improve the sensibility and credibility of this subject- 'disclosure' and 'ufology'.
Garry Nolan is an island at the minute. I feel sorry for him.
If there is a higher intelligence behind this subject, I have no idea why you'd expect that truth to come from politicians and governments.

originally posted by: The GUT
a reply to: karl 12

Can only keep it a secret for so long, might as well control the narrative maybe?

Fair comments there Gut and definitely had my cynical hat on in that last post.

It's from another thread but Avi Loeb's antics are starting to look a bit suspect (especially with the 2030 predictions fom Shostak) - the gang also seem to be at great pains to introduce the marine aspect into general public consciousness.

As for long term agendas then guess it's always prudent to look at 2030 'goals' and work backwards from there - also a curious 'alien life' prediction here from the Bilderberg WEF.

If we actually are all being forcefully herded towards 'smart cities' then what will be the catalyst?

Sounds bonkers but have always wondered if they'll have the balls to introduce Bigfoot into the equation (protected habitat and all that).