The Reaction to My Deep Dive Into Luis Elizondo's IG Complaint - John Greenewald

Posts above are on the money.
Lue is (and always will be) a boy scout.

If you went into the offices used by "Business Security International" during the Operation Yellowfruit years- you wouldn't find a hydra-esque enclave of baddies wanting to subvert democracy - you'd find the vast majority of staff were operating within (what they perceived to be) a legitimately authorised operation fulfilling their patriotic obligations.

Although details are hard to find- it does look like there was at least a logistical link to the usage of secrecy governed infrastructure (i.e the alleged COG doomsday network) which allowed this operation to fly under the radar.

If we acknowledge compartmentalised secrecy allows subordinates to be involved in stuff their line managers arent allowed to know about (as demonstrated by Lue and Gary Reid )- it becomes easy to envisage a situation where different (legitimate) factions utilise the fog of disparate organisations and "not to be even talked about" secrecy apparatus to achieve their goals.

Lue was a GS13.
I would bet he is not only authorised to undertake his actions- but he made sure he was financially compensated for what could be - a very lean "post disclosure" jobs market

a reply to: The GUT

Yes indeed to all your points mate.

Could be nothing but regarding misdirection, distraction, illusion etc. thought this cartoon regarding missing DOD funds and Lockheed 'Martian' was worth a post.





Pretty interesting considering Lockheed Martin actually developed all the relevant Pentagon and HUD financial software systems.

It's not like the military don't run psy-ops even on Senators either.

The U.S. Army illegally ordered a team of soldiers specializing in “psychological operations” to manipulate visiting American senators into providing more troops and funding....

Over a four-month period last year [that would be 2010], a military cell devoted to what is known as “information operations” at Camp Eggers in Kabul was repeatedly pressured to target visiting senators and other VIPs ... When the unit resisted the order, arguing that it violated U.S. laws prohibiting the use of propaganda against American citizens, it was subjected to a campaign of retaliation...

The list of targeted visitors was long....included senators John McCain, Joe Lieberman, Jack Reed, Al Franken and Carl Levin; Rep. Steve Israel of the House Appropriations Committee; Adm. Mike Mullen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; the Czech ambassador to Afghanistan; the German interior minister, and a host of influential think-tank analysts.

Rolling Stone - Army Deploys Psy-Ops on U.S. Senators

So who's to say this isn't some form of Op?

a reply to: mirageman


Good post mate and I know certain folk who suspect John Brennan is heavily involved in directing Lue's antics.

Also rather interesting that John Brennan has now admitted the CIA was actually spying on, monitoring and hacking U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee members.

Don't know if it was for future leverage (and it is a bit cringeworthy) but here he is lying about it to Alan Greenspan's wife at the Council On Foreign Relations.







Don't know how true it is but have also read that some of the most vocal Senate UFO committee members (like Marco Rubio, Mark Warner and Martin Heinrich) have rather close and curious connections to George Soros.

Cheers.

The interesting thing here is the likely FAKE fight between Lou and the DoD over them nixing him in the statements this report is about. The sloppy way he organized this and the fact that he has no case since technically they were correct in saying Lou had nothing to do with ATTIP (actually AAWSAP) and if he goes to court or tries to sue Lou would lose, so one realizes this threat to Greenwald is all FAKE, as this conflict with the DoD is as well FAKE.

Or is this all just folly? Maybe. Then that tells us what they really think of ufology, and their " disclosure" is as FAKE as all of this stuff.

Nice to see all you "Big Guns" all together in one thread again.

Thanks Gortex for the cool thread, still watching now.

a reply to: peaceinoutz

Some fair points there mate - also thought John raised some here.

Of course, it’s a psyop. A psyop is a psychological operation. What do you think, Greenewald? All this has been but a psychological operation. It's not MKultra or the Iraq war, those dirty foul demonic mass murder psyops and psychological damage like they did in MK ultra, but it’s a psyop on ufology just like the Doty/Bennewitz/Moore fiasco.

I like Greenewald, but sometimes he’s a little naïve.

a reply to: peaceinoutz

Keep in mind that Greenewald just received some not so veiled threats from Elizondo's lawyer, so he, or you or me if we were in that position, would tend to think about whether we can defend what we say in court. I can say I think it's a psy-op, but that's based on lots of circumstantial and very little direct evidence. So I think part of the reason he's not directly saying it's a psy-op is because he might find that difficult to defend if he's actually sued, so instead he infers it might be a psy-op. Instead of being naive, maybe he's just being savvy and only saying what he can legally defend.

As illustrated in my other thread. The US (and many other governments) have conducted psy-ops in the past. With their objectives sometimes being far removed from the actual operation conducted. So from the outside it's difficult if not impossible to second guess the intentions.

Spreading UFO stories would mainly seem to be linked to pretending not to recognize adversaries technology [perhaps UFO crash retrievals?], protecting your own technology and creating confusion.

Public UFO reports could well giveaway a top secret test. Your adversaries can easily monitor them for clues. So you release false stories too. It leads them down false trails. Or wondering if your military is incompetent and your sensor equipment so poor you can't tell what they are looking at.

Similarly, these UFO stories might also be used as a bluff to conceal some new technology? You might also put out lots of patents for impossible to produce tech to confuse the issue even more and get your adversaries to waste time and resources working out what is going on.

That's all at a global strategical level. But you also have all the UFO buffs to deal with. So you need a way of keeping them concentrated on believing everything is out of this world. Believing there are crashed saucers and dead alien bodies on ice somewhere. Keep them far away from the really sensitive TS secret stuff. So you spread a bunch of stories around. Maybe a few friendly media sources will and UFOtainers can be brought on board to give you a degree of separation and plausibel deniability. That keeps the UFO buffs fed and going round in circles forever. Because if you don't have proof of aliens and that's what you keep telling them, they'll keep believing you do and there's a cover-up. So they'll be looking in the wrong direction.

However, that also creates the added problem that these folks keep an eye on your military bases and could be infiltrated by foreign spies. It even spills over and creates 'believers' within your own military and government. Who then become targets for adversaries to acquire information from.

So you are continually adapting and reviewing your tactics. Employing 'information warfare' because of the continuous cause and effect. It's been going on throughout the post-war era. This is why there is lots of conflicting UFO 'witness' testimony that doesn't make sense when collected together, and very little actual hard data to prove UFOs are otherworldly.

And then we have this....



Source

And this for some background : Nuclear defense agency jettisons federal defense contractor at Y-12 over safety concerns

originally posted by: Arbitrageur
a reply to: peaceinoutz

Keep in mind that Greenewald just received some not so veiled threats from Elizondo's lawyer, so he, or you or me if we were in that position, would tend to think about whether we can defend what we say in court. I can say I think it's a psy-op, but that's based on lots of circumstantial and very little direct evidence. So I think part of the reason he's not directly saying it's a psy-op is because he might find that difficult to defend if he's actually sued, so instead he infers it might be a psy-op. Instead of being naive, maybe he's just being savvy and only saying what he can legally defend.

No, he said he, for a while, was skeptical about a psyop being behind this.

I doubt he was afraid of Zondo's weak little threat. He is not a psyop guy, traditionally.

Also, no psyop when there in operation has direct proof. It takes time to expose the proof. Or it wouldn’t be a psyop worth anything if, during its operation, it shows direct evidence.


Here's another black vault Podcast about this subject from May: Greenewald and Greenstreet.

originally posted by: peaceinoutz

I like Greenewald, but sometimes he’s a little naïve.

I like Greenewald too mate but wouldn't say he's that naïve - he's always been focused on the 'official response' aspect so probably has to be extremely careful what he openly speculates about.

As for the Lue-Op have to say the 'nine strategies of 'perception management' listed at the thread below are starting to sound pretty familiar - also, when it comes to 'influence operations' performed by 'behaviour change specialists' then apparently a good rule of thumb for spotting a bullsh•tter is claiming to be persecuted after being contradicted.

"Psychological warfare employs age-old ideas in twentieth century dress.'

D. Lincoln Harter, Propaganda Handbook, 1953.

Psy-Ops Research

Obviously alarm bells also went off when it came out Susan Gough (sole 'public relations' spokesperson for Pentagon UFO/UAP enquiries) had a rather dodgy Psy-Ops background in 'strategically influencing' the public.

We have to consider a couple of things relating to a psyop and the traditional MSM perspective of UFOs.


First, concerning the MSM, we must understand that the CIA and the IC have, for a long time, had their paws on many Mainstream media outlets like the NY Times, CNN, and many other media outlets left and right of the political spectrum and in between.

Such influence goes way back.

The degree of collaboration frequently has reached stunning levels. During the early decades of the Cold War, some journalists even became outright CIA assets. Washington Post reporter Carl Bernstein’s January 1977, 25,000-word article in Rolling Stone was an extraordinarily detailed account of cooperation between the CIA and members of the press, and it provided key insights into that relationship. In some cases, the “journalists” were actually full‐time CIA employees masquerading as members of the Fourth Estate, but Bernstein also confirmed that some 400 bona fide American journalists had secretly carried out assignments for the ClA during the previous 25 years. He noted that “journalists provided a full range of clandestine services — from simple intelligence gathering to serving as go‐betweens with spies in Communist countries. Reporters shared their notebooks with the CIA. Editors shared their staffs.”
www.cato.org...

And just remember, Bill Moore did tasks for the IC guys( in this case AFOSI) who were controlling him; believe it or not, outside of the UFO scheme, they duped him over!

So, when this nonsense (mm and many, including me, in his great thread, said over and over long before this stuff came out, it was bogus!) came out, we called it that from jump street, at least I did based on the most likely evidence IT WAS A PSYOP!

And the media clear manipulation was an obvious sign it was a psyop. One who has seen for decades how these sleazy bastards operate!!!!

Excuse me for seeming a bit emotional BUT

WHEN ARE WE GOING TO SEE THIS CRAP FOR WHAT IT IS?

HOW MANY IRAQ WARS, MKULTRAS, AND OTHER SCAMS BASED ON LIES DO WE HAVE TO SEE?
GOOD GRIEF!

I know our UK friends aren't as exposed to this as we Americans, but with all due respect, we need to get our heads out of the sand and see things for what they are.

Or we will be fooled, tricked, deceived again and again and again and again!

The historical survey of Covert operations across its many facets & practices often has the strategic hallmark of being designed to achieve multiple objectives. Whatever we're seeing, we're all seeing it together, and it seems most here are clued-in that deception & misdirection is in play.

While that still leaves us with much to try & decipher, it's otherwise a strong position as the various narratives & plot-lines evolve. This is leading somewhere profound in one way or another is my best, hard guess.

It seems to me that its main aim & thrust is mostly directed at the public.

I'm pretty sure this operation can and will be leveraged in multiple, even diverse, ways. Other than the incompetencies in narrative that some of the harder to fool can see, it's a pretty dang powerful bit of societal-sorcery--the ultimate MacGuffin--when one thinks about it.

In fiction, a "MacGuffin" — sometimes spelt "McGuffin" or "Macguffin" — is a plot device in the form of some goal, desired object, or other motivator that the protagonist (and sometimes the antagonist) is willing to do and sacrifice almost anything to pursue, often with little or no narrative explanation as to why it is considered so desirable.

A MacGuffin, therefore, functions merely as "a plot element that catches the viewers' attention or drives the plot of a work of fiction". Common examples are money, victory, glory, survival, a source of power, a potential threat, a mysterious but highly desired item or object, or simply something that is entirely unexplained.

The director and producer Alfred Hitchcock popularized both the term "MacGuffin" and the technique, with his films Number Seventeen (1932) and The 39 Steps (1935) being early examples of the concept.

Ignore the post here..

It would seem this Elizondo was just another guy with the same name. He's been working at CNS going back well over a decade. So unless BF Lue had two jobs thousands of miles apart it's not him.

Link

The Official Lue Lover’s Fan Site……

LUIS “LUE” ELIZONDO

Catch Up…..

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a reply to: peaceinoutz

...I know our UK friends aren't as exposed to this as we Americans, but with all due respect, we need to get our heads out of the sand and see things for what they are....

British and European ufology tends to ignore a lot of American UFO culture as unscientific and sees it as purely entertainment made by grifters. But there are also some great American ufologists and some grifters over this side of the pond.

But the "Beast with five eyes" shares its dirty tricks.

Like when they sprayed us with germs and chemicals...

.....A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.

Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told.While details of some secret trials have emerged in recent years, the 60-page report reveals new information about more than 100 covert experiments.

The report reveals that military personnel were briefed to tell any 'inquisitive inquirer' the trials were part of research projects into weather and air pollution. The tests, carried out by government scientists at Porton Down, were designed to help the MoD assess Britain's vulnerability if the Russians were to have released clouds of deadly germs over the country....

Millions were in germ war tests

And Cambridge Analytica have been meddling and attempting to influence society for years.


However, when it comes to using and abusing the UFO topic. You don't often get former spooks going on talk shows talking UFOs. The majority of our better known UFO cases remain fairly well-preserved and don't have lots of ex-military and intel types coming forward with 'their story' or rumours years later to muddy the water. Rendlesham is a major exception that has suffered from that. But that was a production almost entirely made by Americans.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
The Official Lue Lover’s Fan Site……

LUIS “LUE” ELIZONDO

Catch Up…..

👽

Jeez it even has that letter from Dirty Harry!!! Why doesn't he have anything else to prove AATIP existed?

it's the most tenuous proof. Especially when they were trying to bury evenything behind a SAP because they weren't doing what the AAWSAP contract said.

a reply to: mirageman

I suppose your burning question can be asked of him, the next time there’s a road show with him in attendance……on your side of the pond. You and BaaBaa could meet up and water board him for the answers.

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Trouble is he doesn't answer direct questions and also refuses to be interviewed by anyone who asks them.

Cheers.