The Reaction to My Deep Dive Into Luis Elizondo's IG Complaint - John Greenewald

originally posted by: karl 12

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Pretty interesting considering Lockheed Martin actually developed all the relevant Pentagon and HUD financial software systems.

Also turns out BlackRock happened to develop the Federal Reserve's financial software systems.

For what it's worth both LM and BR are WEF partners.

a reply to: mirageman

Germs and chemicals. Oh my goodness, now I never heard of that one.

But they got a lot of us too on similar operations.

Commenting on two points Mr. GUT made:

It seems to me that its main aim & thrust is mostly directed at the public.

I think that’s correct.

The reason for that, among many possibilities, can be they may be trying to gauge the public’s interest.

And on another level, as many have proffered, they just want to get people in on the defense budget getting jacked up into the heavens.

And piggybacking on what GUT says about multiple objectives, one can be to eventually create this clearly absurd group, TTSA, with the ultimate goal of again besmirching ufology and making it a joke. So, it was a fairly sophisticated operation. And the fight with Zondo is a part of that concocted drama.

It looked on its face to be a serious group. Again Kudos to mm and ALL YOU GUYS for revealing everything and more that (the Greens and others) are now finding out.


Just look at these two researchers for a second, the Greens, Greenwald, and Greenstreet. Is it Greenstreet? Or whatever.

They both are perplexed. And are playing hide and seek with the IC community exposing their cheap little ufo psyop, yet refuse to see it for what it is. Greenwald has never thought strategically conspiratorial and Greenstreet is a greenhorn and an MSM guy for the NYP, so forget him being conspiratorial to any degree.

IMO, though, I’m not as out there as, for instance, the Dark Journalist, but from the start, I saw this for what it is.

For those who don’t think this is a psyop.

Then I would say to them. What a coincidence Zondo gets angry and leaves the DOD over ufos, and it just so happens TDL is galivanting around supposedly valiantly trying to start a spooky UFO group. Sounds like two convenient myths created for the operation's sake.

Coincidence…?

a reply to: peaceinoutz

... What a coincidence Zondo gets angry and leaves the DOD over ufos, and it just so happens TDL is galivanting around supposedly valiantly trying to start a spooky UFO group. Sounds like two convenient myths created for the operation's sake. Coincidence…?

No coincidence.

Zondo (or at least his better half) had already secured rental accommodation in Encinitas, CA sometimes in 2016.

That's a year before he [allegedly] wrote his 'differed retirement' letter. This stuff goes way back....where slowly and surely, they drew their plans against us

I highlighted some glaring problems with the origins of their core UFO story, two years ago here : www.abovetopsecret.com...

There's an awful lot to unpack, especially why the US intelligence services are completely oblivious to the leaker of the FLIR video, yet he openly communicated with various ATS members and ufologists!!!!

If you can't be bothered with reading the thread, then at least look at the summary : www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: mirageman

Okay, I'll check it out. You must be mind reading; I was thinking about what you brought up. But time can be manipulated, but I get your point.

BTW, If this is all just foolishness, then is Zondo a security threat? Wouldn’t the DOD worry about a disgruntled ex-CI guy getting pissed and going rogue?

a reply to: mirageman

There's an awful lot to unpack, especially why the US intelligence services are completely oblivious to the leaker of the FLIR video, yet he openly communicated with various ATS members and ufologists!!!!

Yes. Wild.

originally posted by: mirageman

This is why there is lots of conflicting UFO 'witness' testimony that doesn't make sense when collected together,

Have to take umbrage with that mate, there's loads of relevant patterns in data.

As for the intel agency shenanigans, you're literally talking about a small section of consistent, global reports.

Also, let's not forget intel agency involvement in scuttling objective scientific investigation into the core phenomenon (or sponsoring pseudo-sceptic groups to purposefully bring the subject into disrepute).

a reply to: gortex

you know one of the things that bothers me and chaps my ass is when whistles blowers and ex / sometimes current government agency heads go on the history channel, discovery channel and do docudramas pretending to be uncovering government secerts and coverups and never prove or disprove sh@@ and leave you with just as much information as you had when the show started..

little luey and that redhead fella travis taylor from skinwalker are the two who should have more information than podseta, pope does now, yet they never show any thing with any clear cut certainty, always just a well we've found this, we found that, but never this is what it is.

i mean come on, you were there in the know. spill the beans consequences be damn, little luey lead investigator and director of AATIP, and tayolr head of UAPTF for a short time have to know way more than their saying.

whistle blowers have rights, your not going to go to jail just ask vindman.

tell you another one that use to chap my ass, that was that josh gates guy from Destination Truth, that show was such bullsh@@, never proved or disproved a damn thing.

thing about him his new show seems to be a little better, a little more down to actual investigating and more fact based than bs but you know he at least has a degree in drama and has a excuse for it. little luey, taylor, podesta, and pope don't.

those folks seem to have taken a cue from greer and banking bucks using their old job titles to do so.

did you see where slo joe has given podesta a job. he's the new climate change boss, gonna be in charge of how the money is spent, wonder how much the clinton foundation is gonna get.

i'm kind of thinking he hired him to help dark brandon harness the darkside of the force. gonna have spirit cooking parties and stuff.

a reply to: mirageman

Outstanding research, as usual. Your research is always consummate and incredibly helpful. Like the lab techs during Einstein's era, you often confirm my theories...Thanks for that!

I’m a theoretical ufologist theory guy. I don’t get down in the weeds too much, don’t need to.

I’m the Einstein of UFO commentary and analysis...You're more like a Neils Bohr


Seriously. I remember TFT. I interfaced with him, being an IT guy myself, and asked him questions about how he recorded this at that time, which is important since IT tech has changed over the years.
And know about the German site.

My take on that is likely they wanted to get this out back, then but it didn’t take.

Goes to show us that this video is no big thing, IMO, never was.

Maybe some of the witnesses are legit, but my suspicious bone is unnerved with some of them too.

Their present ufo entertainment shows peddle disinformation.
If you notice, they shamelessly repeat the ATTIP distortions and lies over and over, which lead us to the same direction; nowhere.

These new enthusiasts or old ones that are leeching unto TTSA do nothing but spread their BS to further their own UFOtainment activity.

Ufology has been destroyed by this IMO.

All this hoopla over this TTSA episode and the recent revelations debunking them will only lead to the subject's disrepute, as Karl reminds us above.

Of course, just like the UFOtainment second tier resurrects Lazar, there will be those digging up TTSA and ATTIP over the years from the grave.

The ufo psyop Is simple. Over the years, some of the garbage they have put out goes moribund, so now and then, when a useful idiot comes along, they take advantage of it like jackals on a dead carcass and use that individual to spread more disinformation and ufo distortions to keep the people stupid, and blind to it.

All these events have folks wasting time-fighting: is Lazar kosher, and is Bennewitz's theories really true? Is MJ 12 the truth? Is Serpo the great revelation we’ve all been waiting for: recall Serpo was big when it came out in 2005, and then came other crazies and FAKE ufo “super” events they drum up from time to time recorded by either IC meddlers, mentally challenged folks or just enthusiastic hoaxers or even sincere but misguided ufologists?

The right side in all of this mass confusion is certainly legitimate ufo events, but unfortunately, for better or worse in America, the IC, along with human bad nature and human frailty, has muddied the waters so much we can’t see into the sea, ocean, or even rivers and lakes of ufology clearly.

originally posted by: karl 12

originally posted by: mirageman

This is why there is lots of conflicting UFO 'witness' testimony that doesn't make sense when collected together,

Have to take umbrage with that mate, there's loads of relevant patterns in data.

As for the intel agency shenanigans, you're literally talking about a small section of consistent, global reports.

Also, let's not forget intel agency involvement in scuttling objective scientific investigation into the core phenomenon (or sponsoring pseudo-sceptic groups to purposefully bring the subject into disrepute).

Yes, I was talking about those cases where there is a desire (usually military) to purposely obfuscate the truth. Sorry if that was not clear.

a reply to: peaceinoutz

.... I remember TFT. I interfaced with him, being an IT guy myself, and asked him questions about how he recorded this at that time, which is important since IT tech has changed over the years.
And know about the German site.

My take on that is likely they wanted to get this out back, then but it didn’t take.

The problem starts though with him posting one story about a 'saucer'

The UFO was floating extremely still in mid air, this was 30,000 ft above ground level. It looked literally and i mean LITERALLY just like a disk

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Then a day later in a new post the more familiar story that the world was presented with 10 years later in the NYT and others.

A jet descended down from 24KFT to gain a better view of the object in the water. The jet then spotted an air contact, it appeared to be a capsule shaped (wingless, mobile, white, oblong pill shaped, 25-30 feet in length, no visible markings and no glass) ….Neither of the two jets could achieve radar lock or any other means of positive id.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: mirageman

I work in the computer field and am high enough ranked and trusted to access thet top secret network onboard.

So he was a system admin in order to have access to such things he describes.

I recall him saying some top guy told him to copy the other files we all are familiar with.


But on this one, he had to be an admin to do that, not just being in the “ computer field" as he says.

Or he stole or borrowed some rights from someone.

Now, we have to consider whether this was an attempt to propagate this ufo legend before 2017 that didn't catch on.

Or maybe it was just no big thing then, and they just grabbed this and hyped it up in 2017 from this time to juice up what we all know now was a BS story from the start.

Another thing. Why hasn't any of these exposers of this hyped-up garbage mentioned this 2004 exposure of these alleged classified Nimitz TIC TAC videos? Maybe I missed it( which is possible), but I've heard nothing from Greenwald or Greenstreet about this earlier exposure from ATS or that German site, which seems to me would have been a bombshell.




Okay, I see this link here of yours which explains this further.
www.abovetopsecret.com...


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a reply to: peaceinoutz

The US intelligence services appear to have turned a blind eye to the 'leak' of the FLIR video. Despite various investigations.

The official comment from Susan Gough made little sense either.

... Navy officials became aware that the video had been posted online in 2009.

“With respect to the 2004 sighting by aircraft from the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz (CVN 68); that video was widely shared throughout the ship at that time,” Gough writes. “In 2007, one of those crewmembers posted the video onto the public web.”

But in terms of investigating the video leak, Gough writes, “Given the time since recording (approximately 5 years), the widespread distribution of the recording within the ship at the time of recording, and the size of the crew at the time (approximately 5,000), it was determined that there was no way to accurately determine who might have released the video.”…

Pop Mechanics 2020

Now I have never heard of the video being 'widely shared throughout the ship'. Nor should the 5000 crew be capable of copying it If proper security protocols were followed. It should have been fairly easy to nail the person(s) responsible. Plus of course TFT revealed his identity to various members here on ATS. Yet still told Pop Mechanics in 2020 he still feared repercussions.

Why would TFT reveal his identity to anonymous posters on a conspiracy forum in that case? He could have been communicating with US Naval intelligence for all he knew. Or worse still an adversary acting in bad faith.

So what was really going on?

a reply to: mirageman

Possible theory:

What's really going on is TFT was chosen along with Cometa to expose this low-level operation in 2007, and it was again given to Zondo and the TTSA folks as a prop for their coming out party in 2017 along with the NYT article that propelled them initially to a little fame.


That tells me this may have been an operation to gauge the popularity of ufology. In 2007, that low-level operation to juice up the UFO community died quickly.

So, 2017 came along with TDL and his merry men, so they decided to give them this flimsy Nimitz stuff to again juice things up.

It worked for a while, good for a 60 minutes show for some of the frightened witnesses and a canceled documentary on the History channel. But since what they had was flimsy and of little substance, it didn't last.

So, UFOology remains an inscrutable mystery as much as God himself.

a reply to: peaceinoutz


2007 was an interesting year in this story....But I'll get back on that one.

In Feb 2007 TFT was still being pursued for information and actively posting with his chums regarding the Nimitz incident. If you study his phraseology closely then, simply put, it may give a clue as to who TFT really was.

On Feb 13th 2007 the supposed incident log was posted on ATS : www.abovetopsecret.com... As far as I know only an unofficial report has ever surfaced via the PR arm of Bigelow's UFO mob that redacted names of the personnel involved.

But there was already a report in Fightersweep three years prior.

This passage becomes relevant very soon.

....At the same time FASTEAGLE flight was wrapping up its scheduled training, the CO of Marine Hornet squadron VMFA-232, Lieutenant Colonel “Cheeks” Kurth, was completing a post-maintenance check flight not too far away. He was the first fast-mover contacted by Princeton. The communication was strange and intriguing. He was asked to investigate an unidentified airborne contact.....

As Cheeks approached the spot he was being vectored to, Princeton advised him to stay above 10K as the section of Super Hornets were approaching the target. His radar picked up the FASTEAGLE two-ship, but no other contacts. A moment later Princeton directed him to “skip it” and return to the ship. Since he was so close, he decided to fly over the action and sneak a peek.

Fightersweep -March 2015

Why was he asked to return to the ship by the Princeton?

Then what happened next? Well basically we have a series of events where 'Cheeks' has no visible employment for over a year and then ends up working for Bigelow long before the AWSAP contract had even been drafted for tender!!



Jul 2006 Douglas "Cheeks" Kurth leaves the US Navy and for over a year appears to have been unemployed.

Dec 2007 Kurth becomes Program Manager for BAASS [Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies]. The same year that Elizondo's predecessor James Lacatski is reported to have visited Skinwalker Ranch.

However, the 'Skinwalkers at the Pentagon' book dances around the date Kurth joined BAASS by reporting they had interviewed multiple times "by December 2008". Which appaers to be a distortion of facts. As Kurth's Linkedin profile has him joining BAASS a whole year earlier than that.



Perhaps this is because it wasn't until Jan 2008 when BAASS was officially registered as a new company. Doug Kurth’s duties eventually appeared to be in line with managing what was also going on at Skinwalker Ranch. But that gap between July 2006 is a strange one.

Because it was not until Aug 2008 when US Military issue official tenders for the AAWSAP contract. BAASS was the sole bidder and awarded the contract.

That's all the evidence.

Which seems to point to an operation by the Bigelow Mob. They already had advanced knowledge of the Nimitz incident (whatever it really was), and almost certainly knew that funding was on its way from honorary member of that mob, Harry Reid. BF Lue was hired for his counterintelligence skills. I guess, simply put, we are left to figure it all out from there.

a reply to: mirageman

Great research.

Like most human creatures, you know, these guys network with each other, the Bigelow mob, and others close to it.


TDL comes along (and IF his legend myth is true) going around seeking spooks to ally with. I believe he was passed around to certain ufo psyop groups to see who wanted to use him. His going around like James Bond cavorting with various spook agents talking in dark restaurants was just that, to check him out.

To me, at least, it's kind of plain. All that you suggest, Bigelow being behind this seems right, or at least he was in on it, but since he had AAWSAP, he didn’t need to be close to this TTSA mob. It would look too bad.

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originally posted by: mirageman

Yes, I was talking about those cases where there is a desire (usually military) to purposely obfuscate the truth.

Didn't read like that to me mate but apologies for the misunderstanding - think it's always best to fall back on the largest US study ever done on the subject when it comes to open discussion.. and I do truly salute your work exposing this latest CIA deception.

• "This was a good report, but the Air Force deliberately tried to mislead the public. The report actually showed that 21.5% of the sightings were unknowns."

Stanton Friedman, Physicist.

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Could be wrong but pretty sure this quote is a well attested one.

• “We’ll Know Our Disinformation Program Is Complete When Everything the American Public Believes Is False."

William Casey, CIA Director 1981-1987.

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originally posted by: karl 12

"This was a good report, but the Air Force deliberately tried to mislead the public. The report actually showed that 21.5% of the sightings were unknowns."

That's basically one reason why I say we're going to get a little bit of the truth. While the details of various shenanigans is pertinent & helpful in untangling this or that, a Birdseye view suggests to me we are being prepped.

Not capital "D" disclosure though. Lou & crew have been steady in presenting a more Skinwalker Ranch-type view of the phenomena. I'm convinced some "revelations" along those lines will be officially admitted soon enough. Just a little though--and almost certainly tainted--with a promise of more.

A bit of a catch-22 for those of us who care about the answer to one our greatest questions: Are we alone? Separating the disinfo will be key but maybe hard. Plus, a little-bit of truth might even tend to seduce the more careful amongst us.

It seems there's a little something for all of us in this no matter our ufological persuasion.

Lue is basically just a boil on the ass of this narrative beast. And far as TFT: Yet another example of somebody that should've got in trouble but didn't as well documented by MM.

Yep, there's room here for it all: The dubious dealings that go along with company business...and the larger scheme.

So, again, I ask, who seems to be the ultimate target of this narrative? Not China I would assert. And that pretty much leaves us.