Evolution? The most GDed ridiculous Fing thing ever to have been imagined

originally posted by: Xtrozero
... The probability that humans would happen is 100% since we did.

Interesting math and circular reasoning there. Let me paraphrase or rephrase that into what you're actually arguing there (what that statement boils down to concerning the context of your argument and what you are responding to), so that the circular reasoning becomes a bit more obvious (primarily for your benefit, even though you may not want to hear it):

'the probability that humans would emerge by chance is 100% because humans emerged by chance.' (the latter is often implied by the reminder that we're here, instead of your version with "would happen" which is more obvious because you kept it the same when you said "since we did", so then I can keep the paraphrase with the underlying evolutionary storyline, "emerge by chance", the same as well, so I don't change the essence of what you're really saying there)

originally posted by: Xtrozero
The probability that humans would happen is 100% since we did.

Would that be local or universal?

So where is everybody else...

Fermi Paradox

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: tanstaafl
Entire species do not evolve the same way, that is not how evolution works. If it was evolution wouldn't explain the different species at all.

Wtf are you even talking about? You can't even put together a cogent sentence, let alone a rational argument.

Back to school son.

The reason you can't provide a source as it's an obvious strawman.

Source? What source, pray tell, would you recognize as authoritative in this regard? God maybe?

Rotflmao!

I am talking about the nonsense strawman argument you gave.

Since you don't even seem to understand biology to the level taught to 12 tear olds it might be better if you looked at your own education.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: tanstaafl

I checked back on where you said Trillions.

"Trillions of identical RANDOM variations occurring SIMULTANEOUSLY in a large number of the same species"

So no you weren't talking about cumulative changes.

Ummmm... are you dense?

It is the trillions of identical random mutations occurring over millions of years... not trillions 'all at the same exact time'.

Do you understand what simultaneous means?

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Xtrozero

Yet again, the claims of "evolution" all go against the laws of physics.

1. Evolution tells us all living life forms should have become better, more efficient, and stronger.

The law of probability tells us it is impossible for any and all life forms to exist as they do on Earth, since the simplest life form on Earth needs over 400 proteins to exist and the law of probability tells us anything which occurs over 1 in 10>104 will never occur naturally or by accident, and just 1 protein would occur once in 10>104 by accident.

2. Evolution tells us every living organism should have evolved to become more efficient, better, and stronger.

The Second law of Thermodynamics tells us entropy increases continually making every life form more flawed with time, not better or more efficient.

3. Science tells us "matter and energy can never be created or destroyed." Yet the Big Bang states creation came out of nothing, aka Creatio Ex Nihilo.

1. No it doesn't.

2 Still doesn't.

3. Not evolution.

a reply to: ScepticScot

The laws of physics are the same throughout the universe so evolution like all great theories should be universal.

This is one way in which life arises universally therefore the milkyway alone should be teeming with life not so alien to us at all.

Like the many worlds theory.

originally posted by: iamthevirus
a reply to: ScepticScot

The laws of physics are the same throughout the universe so evolution like all great theories should be universal.

This is one way in which life arises universally therefore the milkyway alone should be teeming with life not so alien to us at all.

Like the many worlds theory.

Electric universe post does not address evolution at all as those aren't claims made by evolution.

Likewise evolution isn't about how often life occurs.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: iamthevirus
a reply to: ScepticScot

The laws of physics are the same throughout the universe so evolution like all great theories should be universal.

This is one way in which life arises universally therefore the milkyway alone should be teeming with life not so alien to us at all.

Like the many worlds theory.

Electric universe post does not address evolution at all as those aren't claims made by evolution.

Likewise evolution isn't about how often life occurs.

But like all good science it should apply.

Where is all the other life?

Some more advanced, some less advanced ect... if "we" arisen here then surely the same had happened elsewhere if not in the same exact manner as it has here.

I didnt bring QM and probability into the discussion someone else did, so it has to apply universally.

originally posted by: iamthevirus

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: iamthevirus
a reply to: ScepticScot

The laws of physics are the same throughout the universe so evolution like all great theories should be universal.

This is one way in which life arises universally therefore the milkyway alone should be teeming with life not so alien to us at all.

Like the many worlds theory.

Electric universe post does not address evolution at all as those aren't claims made by evolution.

Likewise evolution isn't about how often life occurs.

But like all good science it should apply.

Where is all the other life?

Some more advanced, some less advanced ect... if "we" arisen here then surely the same had happened elsewhere if not in the same exact manner as it has here.

I didnt bring QM and probability into the discussion someone else did, so it has to apply universally.

All science applies to what it describes.

Evolution had nothing to do with how life began.

we simply don't know how often life begins.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: iamthevirus

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: iamthevirus
a reply to: ScepticScot

The laws of physics are the same throughout the universe so evolution like all great theories should be universal.

This is one way in which life arises universally therefore the milkyway alone should be teeming with life not so alien to us at all.

Like the many worlds theory.

Electric universe post does not address evolution at all as those aren't claims made by evolution.

Likewise evolution isn't about how often life occurs.

But like all good science it should apply.

Where is all the other life?

Some more advanced, some less advanced ect... if "we" arisen here then surely the same had happened elsewhere if not in the same exact manner as it has here.

I didnt bring QM and probability into the discussion someone else did, so it has to apply universally.

All science applies to what it describes.

Evolution had nothing to do with how life began.

we simply don't know how often life begins.

The makings of life began at the big bang and the galaxy alone (our backyard) is big enough on a cosmic scale.

Human life exactly like our own or even life similar to ours and/or life quite alien to us should be out there right in our back yard if evolution is 100% scientific fact.

We should be receiving messages no matter how intelligible or exactly like our very own which have been traveling through spacetime.

Evolution applies here universally because the laws of physics are the same throughout this universe.

originally posted by: iamthevirus

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: iamthevirus

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: iamthevirus
a reply to: ScepticScot

The laws of physics are the same throughout the universe so evolution like all great theories should be universal.

This is one way in which life arises universally therefore the milkyway alone should be teeming with life not so alien to us at all.

Like the many worlds theory.

Electric universe post does not address evolution at all as those aren't claims made by evolution.

Likewise evolution isn't about how often life occurs.

But like all good science it should apply.

Where is all the other life?

Some more advanced, some less advanced ect... if "we" arisen here then surely the same had happened elsewhere if not in the same exact manner as it has here.

I didnt bring QM and probability into the discussion someone else did, so it has to apply universally.

All science applies to what it describes.

Evolution had nothing to do with how life began.

we simply don't know how often life begins.

The makings of life began at the big bang and the galaxy alone (our backyard) is big enough on a cosmic scale.

Human life exactly like our own or even life similar to ours or/or life quite alien to us should be out there right in our back yard if evolution is 100% scientific fact.

We should be receiving messages no matter how intelligible or exactly like our very own which have been traveling through spacetime.

Evolution applies here universally because the laws of physics are the same throughout this universe.

Again evolution has nothing to do with the big bang.

Our understanding of how the universe began could change completely and that would not change anything about evolution.


We don't know how often life occurs.


We have only had the capability to project signals off our planet for tiny fraction of time they have only travelled a tiny fraction of our galaxy and there are billions of galaxies.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Quantum mathematicians proclaim that QM confirms evolution and they're working on it.

Albeit these folks are mathematicians not pure scientists/physicists (science relies on observational fact and experiment) and math itself has many known flaws so we can't rely on mathematicians alone, we must be scientific.

If QM confirms Evolution then I ask again... where is everybody?

originally posted by: iamthevirus
a reply to: ScepticScot

Quantum mathematicians proclaim that QM confirms evolution and they're working on it.

Albeit these folks are mathematicians not pure scientists/physicists (science relies on observational fact and experiment) and math itself has many known flaws so we can't rely on mathematicians alone, we must be scientific.

To all intends and purpose evolution has already been confirmed. There isn't any serious alternative.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: iamthevirus
a reply to: ScepticScot

Quantum mathematicians proclaim that QM confirms evolution and they're working on it.

Albeit these folks are mathematicians not pure scientists/physicists (science relies on observational fact and experiment) and math itself has many known flaws so we can't rely on mathematicians alone, we must be scientific.

To all intends and purpose evolution has already been confirmed. There isn't any serious alternative.

So you believe in unseen things that we have no evidence for outside of our little self-centered closed system here?

That's interesting...

originally posted by: iamthevirus

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: iamthevirus
a reply to: ScepticScot

Quantum mathematicians proclaim that QM confirms evolution and they're working on it.

Albeit these folks are mathematicians not pure scientists/physicists (science relies on observational fact and experiment) and math itself has many known flaws so we can't rely on mathematicians alone, we must be scientific.

To all intends and purpose evolution has already been confirmed. There isn't any serious alternative.

So you believe in unseen things that we have no evidence for outside of our little self-centered closed system here?

That's interesting...

Unseen things would be a believe in god.

There is plenty of evidence for evolution.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Arguing with people who lack even an entry level understanding of the subject matter is futile.

Based on the last few pages evolution is apparently about the origin of the universe, whether the universe exists or is a hologram, whether the universe exists or is a simulation, the nature of sentience and the origin of life. As opposed to being what it actually is, the mechanism that explains how life came to be as it is today and isn’t a bunch of microbes.

I suppose that’s what happens when you get your information from people whose main source is a bronze age collection of desert scribblings.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: iamthevirus

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: iamthevirus
a reply to: ScepticScot

Quantum mathematicians proclaim that QM confirms evolution and they're working on it.

Albeit these folks are mathematicians not pure scientists/physicists (science relies on observational fact and experiment) and math itself has many known flaws so we can't rely on mathematicians alone, we must be scientific.

To all intends and purpose evolution has already been confirmed. There isn't any serious alternative.

So you believe in unseen things that we have no evidence for outside of our little self-centered closed system here?

That's interesting...

Unseen things would be a believe in god.

There is plenty of evidence for evolution.

I don't have a problem with evolution its cool, it's scientific therefore should be universal and cosmic.

However I do have a problembwith evolutionists proclaiming their faith is the only belief that matters and fascistly attacking all other beliefs.

It's unconstitutional, I'm an American.

originally posted by: iamthevirus

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: iamthevirus

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: iamthevirus
a reply to: ScepticScot

Quantum mathematicians proclaim that QM confirms evolution and they're working on it.

Albeit these folks are mathematicians not pure scientists/physicists (science relies on observational fact and experiment) and math itself has many known flaws so we can't rely on mathematicians alone, we must be scientific.

To all intends and purpose evolution has already been confirmed. There isn't any serious alternative.

So you believe in unseen things that we have no evidence for outside of our little self-centered closed system here?

That's interesting...

Unseen things would be a believe in god.

There is plenty of evidence for evolution.

I don't have a problem with evolution its cool, it's scientific therefore should be universal and cosmic.

However I do have a problembwith evolutionists proclaiming their faith is the only belief that matters and fascistly attacking all other beliefs.

It's unconstitutional, I'm an American.

This thread is someone attacking evolution.

originally posted by: Ohanka
a reply to: ScepticScot

Arguing with people who lack even an entry level understanding of the subject matter is futile.

Based on the last few pages evolution is apparently about the origin of the universe, whether the universe exists or is a hologram, whether the universe exists or is a simulation, the nature of sentience and the origin of life. As opposed to being what it actually is, the mechanism that explains how life came to be as it is today and isn’t a bunch of microbes.

I suppose that’s what happens when you get your information from people whose main source is a bronze age collection of desert scribblings.

If they didn't build their strawman then what else would they have.

a reply to: iamthevirus

Evolution isn’t a faith.