Evolution? The most GDed ridiculous Fing thing ever to have been imagined

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

When talking about "complexity", what do you think gives us the greatest "complexity"? Random chaos, or orderly intent? When your kid lets their room get messy, are they "organizing it on a more complicated way"? Or just letting it get messy?

Random chance would create nonsense while orderly intent would be able to create the order exhibited within us and around us.

originally posted by: karl 12

See that is where the problem lies - I travel a lot and everyone is equally convinced of their 'belief'.

What does one do with that?

There's 3 main belief brackets: Christ, Anti-Christ, and Indifferent

Christian religions include Christianity and arguably Islam as well (they believe Christ is Messiah)

Anti-Christian religions include Judaism which claims Jesus was not the Christ

Indifferent religions are most of the rest, such as Hinduism which accepts all other religious paths

So essentially it comes down to either Christ was the Messiah or not which would show who is "right". Many of the main facets of religions points to a similar morality and purpose of existence. Karma = "a fruit resembles its tree", non-attachment = "turn the other cheek", non-attachment = "drop your nets and follow me" and "do not worship idols", etc, etc. So if Christ was the redeemer of the world and the King of our conscious transition into the after-life, then that would make Christians correct. The Jewish people are still waiting for a Messiah. Some Hindus are probably already incidentally in-and-out of touch with the Messiah, who I believe is Jesus.

originally posted by: tanstaafl
"Because primordial ooze does not turn into a human therefore trillions of simultaneous mutations aren't required."

Ah, so you agree that the theory of all life on earth evolving from the primordial ooze is impossible...

Good catch, he did technically just admit evolution was not impossible.

a reply to: cooperton

There are plenty more than that Cooperton.

Thanks for the reply though and I can't upload images so here we go.


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I'm not in any religious group so apparently not 'religious' but I hope you can see how that means nothing at all.

Just try to be a nice person and treat people the same.

Hate is weakness - love is strength ect .

Pretty obvious really.

originally posted by: Peeple
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Was it intelligent design? For sure not.
But aside from that evidence points at least 10k:0 for evolution.

Why, because you claim so? To me, it seems that the large majority of atheists believe they are the highest intelligence in the entire Universe. Atheists tend to be left-wing as well, which is why we see a tendency towards authoritarianism and pushing for "what left-wing elitists think it's best for everyone."

Most leftists are atheists. These are the same people pushing to take away the rights of everyone else. Including the right to free speech.

Most atheists have a huge ego, and are very narcissistic. Again, a trait we see in most left-wing leaders.

But apart from that, if evolution from a monkey to a human was ever true, why are there no more Cro-Magnon humanoids??

What happened to "evolution"? Why haven't we seen any new species of humanoids? Why haven't alligators/crocs, which are living dinosaurs, same as sharks, become smarter and able to use tools and develop a language?

originally posted by: Peeple
Intelligent Design is just the dumbest thing anybody ever believed. And it just doesn't work. At all.

Again this just shows the huge ego you atheists share among most other atheists. You NEED for evolution to be true because you can't stand the fact that you are not the highest intelligence in the entire universe. You NEED to have some kind of control.

originally posted by: Peeple
I can observe that as humans creating artificial objects. But those objects basically never find a harmonious way to integrate themselves into the overall perfect system of the universe. And that's the conflict: a natural system evolving where everything fits perfectly into eachother and basically couldn't be any other way. Or intelligent design which would imply artificially 'willed' into existence and messing up the balance of the system it is put in.

Yet chaos is also part of the universe and everything that exists. Everything isn't "in perfect harmony." Your need for "perfect harmony" in reality is your ego and your need to be able to control everything.

I am almost certain you also believe in "human induced climate change." That would be your NEED to be able to have control over everything and everyone. At least for most atheists, and most people on the left.

originally posted by: Peeple
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But in the end, it won't amount to anything more than
You: evolution is stupid
Me: intelligent design is stupid
... forever and ever

Actually, there is only proof of limited evolution. Such as wolves becoming dogs. But they are still canines. In the known history of mankind there has been no evidence whatsoever of leaps in species to more advanced species.

If there was any truth to the large jumps in evolution, what happened to it? Why did it stop? All we see are limited changes in evolution in all LIVING beings.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I'm not an atheist, not even agnostic, I am absolutely sure God exists.

Are you asking me why organic matter decomposes and is not perfectly preserved for our convenience? lol that'd be pretty awful.

It's difficult for me to take anything serious you say because you're just wrong.

Why are we not seeing evolution in action? Because humans have been around for only 10.000 years full of a very calm period in Earth's evolution.

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

When talking about "complexity", what do you think gives us the greatest "complexity"? Random chaos, or orderly intent? When your kid lets their room get messy, are they "organizing it on a more complicated way"? Or just letting it get messy?

Random chance would create nonsense while orderly intent would be able to create the order exhibited within us and around us.

The world looks orderly to you?

By comparison to Earth, the surface of the Moon, Mars, or even Venus looks a great deal more orderly to me. But nothing lives there.

originally posted by: Peeple

I'm not an atheist, not even agnostic, I am absolutely sure God exists.

Why did you even write this?

originally posted by: Peeple

Evolution is everywhere and everything is constantly 'evolving' or changing, because it doesn't necessarily get 'better'.
Was it chance that set off simple molecules to form RNA? Most likely not. Depends a little on your philosophical stance what 'chance' is.
Was it intelligent design? For sure not.
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Did you excerpt the op wrong or something? (after re-reading the op it's obvious you didn't excerpt his statements wrong) Because you can't believe in God and at the same time claim that "intelligent design does not exist."

Do you even know what "intelligent design" is?

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Intelligent design is a pseudoscientific argument for the existence of God, presented by its proponents as "an evidence-based scientific theory about life's origins".
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Intelligent design

So again, you can't claim to believe in God, and not believe in "intelligent design." They go together.

Then there is this other comment.

originally posted by: Peeple
Intelligent Design is just the dumbest thing anybody ever believed. And it just doesn't work. At all.
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Again, if you don't believe in God, only then can you believe there is no "intelligent design." But believing in God/Elohim and not believing in "intelligent design" is an oxymoron of itself.

originally posted by: Peeple
Are you asking me why organic matter decomposes and is not perfectly preserved for our convenience? lol that'd be pretty awful.

Where in the world did I make such argument? You are puting words I never wrote.

originally posted by: Peeple
It's difficult for me to take anything serious you say because you're just wrong.

Again, why because you say so? Even if mankind has been around for only 10,000 years we should still be able to see huge evolutionary changes in various species. Not to mention the fact that there are cultures such as the Hindu culture that state humans have existed for over a million years.

The only so called proof for large evolutionary leaps is in fossils. That to me would indicate then that large evolutionary leaps stopped millions of years ago, because there are species that exist today and are very similar to what they were millions of years ago.

originally posted by: Peeple
Why are we not seeing evolution in action? Because humans have been around for only 10.000 years full of a very calm period in Earth's evolution.

Yet again monkeys have existed for millions of years. Sharks have existed for millions of years, crocodiles and alligators have existed for millions of years. They have had SOME evolutionary changes but no giant leaps like crocodiles turning into humanoid crocodiles. Why?...

Heck, if large evolutionary changes were real, and since Earth is 70% water, then why hasn't there been any large evolutionary leaps to form underwater humanoids?

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Intelligent design is childish. It comes from the mental image of an old white guy with a chemistry set somewhere detached and bored, without purpose, without need playing just because he can.
To me God is the universe and Life (metaphor ahead!) the 2d shadow in our 3d world of the 4d intelligence that is God.

I'm sorry I'm just skimming through your twaddle I thought I read you were asking why there's no better fossil record of the developments, turns out you weren't.
Just yadda yadda braindead bs yadda yadda.

If your species found a comfortable niche and the environment is stabile there's no need for leaps. Also we're at a point where habitats/niches are destroyed hence the diversification is in reverse.

a reply to: Peeple

What if intellgent design is just describing a conscious universe coming together with the natural laws therein?

Why does it have to be a white bearded dude in the sky?

a reply to: GENERAL EYES

Ask cooperton and company. That's not my view so I really can't answer that why they want God to be human or 'in their image' but it's what they claim.

BETA mode forgets Zed. Alpha waves are as annoying as gigahertz and side scan sonar. Theta is where it's at waking up among the sleep walkers. (vampires and zombies not knowing they are dead in both religion and science as "earth" UFo visit from neptune wondering what wrecks are down there and some jut call i t"roll tide" or side to side for you landlubbers.

Think of the "keep" as a "tree" and "bog-man" just asleep under it. Thinking themselves wiser than than "ground" coffee grows up and lighting meets a wooden "chair". Both and and tree become owl once having been kept the same.

The "bog" cobble stones of past goat poop needing no shepard from Africa and the little Picts or tribesmen wonder if share cropping has ever been a UK consideration without the "Queen's" face on it as all "Blacks" in the US expect crowns calling themselves "Kings" and women "Queens" not really arriving by way of "Queens" NY? The French know the score.

Not meaning to be so meta-phoric but some equate that to love without Tennis or intercourse. Words paint just as pretty a picture as TV's electrons.

EVOLUTION: Adaptation to adversity.*

(Uni-versit'y) being one of those... every four years take back the night and the one taste being more than salt in the stream an out of the stream fish forgetting to be vegetarians as a turtle yawns in the end-zone. Rice noodle in less than a year hatch silk moths in the bag... but at least the bullion is still gold.

a reply to: Peeple

Fair enough.

I'm not familiar with their version of events so I'm a bit behind the times.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

My evolutionary proof is male balding

What situational or tactical or sexual is balding in a man an advantage? Aside from Pitbull, none. So how did this make it's way into every race? It either came from the beginning or?

We were created by aliens or God. I'm 50/50. Leaning more towards aliens but I know the creator is above all.

originally posted by: Randyvine2

I do respect the KIND of evilution you refer to as something that ocurrs
after creation. You know that isn't what I'm referring to here. You have
earned a ton of respect from me at any rate.

You all keep arguing about the wrong things here.

The creation of life is a "why" type question as in whether it was intelligent design or not

Evolution is a "how" type question that can happen with either the two "whys" above. If we are talking intelligent design then God could have used 14 billion years to make man, right?

This subject gets so tiring since people like you can't even figure out what it is you want to debate.

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES

What if intellgent design is just describing a conscious universe coming together with the natural laws therein?

Why does it have to be a white bearded dude in the sky?

Why would God make a universe with all the laws and rules and then use a magic wand that contradicts all that he created? God doesn't need a magic wand... just saying. He could have started the universe 14 billion years ago knowing humans would happen at the exact time they did, or... you could go poof and we happen to like walk out of the Garden of Eden which really doesn't work well when we look at the need for genetic diversity, within and among populations. If a species population is reduced then this can affect the genetic structure by increasing levels of inbreeding and genetic drift within that population which in turn reduces the amount of genetic diversity needed for survival of the species.

There is so many gotchas here it isn't funny.

a reply to: Peeple

You just keep showing to have a huge ego, and being extremely narcissistic in your attempts to belittle me and my own views. It tells me more about yourself that anything else.

You are one of those leftists, like Pelosi, the Bidens, etc, who claim they are Catholics but do not really follow Catholic doctrine as they are in favor of abortions for any reason and at any time.

There are two types of left-wingers, those who like you claim to believe in a "god" but you describe "your god" as you want and not as he is. This need to "create your own god" comes from the same need to you having control over everything. Same as most atheists but YOU create your own god." Such god only exists in your own mind. Which again comes from a need you have to have control of as much as possible.

I know I hit a nerve by the way you have responded so far... Only the "god you created" is the one that exists. Or so you keep telling yourself.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I'm sorry I don't quite understand how God contradicts His Creation.

I'm honeslty not trying to be obtuse, I'm just having problems parsing your arguement here.

I think Evolution is the How, but not the Why.

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
I'm sorry I don't quite understand how God contradicts His Creation.

I'm honeslty not trying to be obtuse, I'm just having problems parsing your arguement here.

I think Evolution is the How, but not the Why.

Would God use the law and rules he created, or would he go outside of them? That is my point in if we are talking intelligent design then why would God not use the universe he created to do it? Poofing the world into existence along with all the living creatures in their current form kind goes outside of our universe and how it works, so why would God do that when he already created everything that would do it for him?

The how, yes as I explained in my post above the one you responded to. I was supporting your point.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Are you kidding me? You constantly come at me with false accusations and politics crap and you think it's my fault that I think you're annoying and stupid?
lol no.

a reply to: litterbaux

That's just a small change. Our genes become polluted with time, and our environment also affects our genes development. But it is not a huge step in evolution, like monkeys becoming humans.

In the bible Moses, Abraham and many others lived for a long time. Far longer than 100 years.
Old tales from ancient people talk about humans having a much longer life span in the distant past. But with time our genes have become polluted. Some traits/genes atrophy, but others can be re-awakened. Still those are small steps in evolution, and not giant steps in which animals evolve into humanoids.

Why are large steps in evolution only seen in fossil records? Monkeys have existed for millions of years so if large steps in evolution were a reality there would always be "Cro-Magnon" and other types of humanoids evolving from animals. But again we don't see this.

There are no sharks or crocodiles/alligators, or whales that have become humanoid, nor that have evolved to the point of being able to use tools.

All species make small evolutionary steps. But giant leaps in evolution don't seem to be a reality. In fact, we could argue that this type of giant evolution is not real and only exists in the minds of some people. Otherwise we would have proof of large evolutionary changes in all species right now.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I don't agree with the POOF Theory.

I'm a Creationist, but it all starts with the Big Bang in our current Universe.

The Garden of Eden might have been a story of our incarnation on a different Universe entirely with different laws before our "fall" into the current paradigm.

I don't know of course, I'm just speculating.