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Trump moves closer to getting a ''special master''

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posted on Sep, 3 2022 @ 12:56 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha


INTRODUCTION AND AGENT BACKGROUND 1. The government is conducting a criminal investigation concerning the improper removal and storage of classified information in unauthorized spaces,


And the rest of that sentence:

as well as the unlawful concealment or removal of government records


Classified docs were NOT the only thing that they were looking for.



posted on Sep, 3 2022 @ 12:59 AM
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a reply to: frogs453

also:

as well as the unlawful concealment or removal of government records


i.e. as described elsewhere in the affidavit, material subject to the Presidential Records Act.



posted on Sep, 3 2022 @ 01:32 AM
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originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: JinMI

Because Trump has no standing to request a special master for that. The documents are owned by the US government. He has no possessory interest. The only thing it would achieve is to delay the investigation.


That requires proof.



Which will be presented in court, not in twitter posts.



Proof that is not yet available and they already took and gave back passports.


Passports ARE government documents. And DO NOT 'belong' to the passport holder. Notice that you can be a passport HOLDER, not a passport OWNER.

The government has returned Trump's passports because the evidential value of the passports has been documented. That value is that the location where the passports were found, his personal desk drawer, identifies that location as a Trump "personal use" location, not a secure storage location for government property. Government property (besides the passports) was found in that drawer including, classified material.



posted on Sep, 3 2022 @ 01:38 AM
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a reply to: rnaa

Sure thing buddy.


...sure thing.



posted on Sep, 3 2022 @ 01:48 AM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: hangedman13

Agents were instructed to recover any document with classified markings, any other objects stored with those documents, and any Presidential/ government records. From what I can find, most FBI agents have at least Top Secret clearance. This being the Counterintelligence division, I would not be surprised if they all had TS/SCI clearance.


That is important because if Trump is as dirty as you claim what was to stop him from just emptying the folders?

Looks like he did just that. Investigators retrieved 43 folders empty folders with classified markings.


This has to be correct, at least for the Agents detailed to do the search - they expected to find classified material, so they would need to "come prepared". However:


Some of the documents that FBI agents retrieved after searching Mar-a-Lago were so classified that investigators needed special permission to view them, according to Justice Department court documents filed Tuesday.

( Insider: Some documents retrieved from Mar-a-Lago were so sensitive that FBI agents needed a special clearance to look at them, DOJ says )


My guess is that the clearances that the agents had were sufficient to pick up a folder. But if they found empty folders with the documents that were supposed to be in those folders intermingled with other documents, then they would need those 'special permission' clearances to sort them out.



posted on Sep, 3 2022 @ 02:26 AM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: frogs453




His lawyers attested in June per the requirements of the subpoena that all classified docs were returned at that time.


Show me the "all classified docs" quote please.



From the DOJ document filed on 30 August:




E. After Obtaining Evidence Indicating that Additional Classified Records
Remained at the Premises, DOJ Initially Sought Their Return Through the
Issuance of a Grand Jury Subpoena


Through its investigation the FBI developed evidence indicating that even after the Fifteen Boxes were provided to NARA, dozens of additional boxes remained at the Premises that were also likely to contain classified information. Accordingly, DOJ obtained a grand jury subpoena, for which the former President’s counsel accepted service on May 11, 2022... The subpoena was directed to the custodian of records for the Office of Donald J. Trump, and it requested “[a]ny and all documents or writings in the custody or control of Donald J. Trump and/or the Office of Donald J. Trump bearing
classification markings [list of classification markings].


F. In Response to the Subpoena, Counsel for the Former President Provided a Limited Number of Documents Accompanied by a Certification that All Responsive Documents Were Produced Following a Diligent Search


On June 3, 2022, three FBI agents and a DOJ attorney arrived at the Premises to accept receipt of the materials. In addition to counsel for the former President, another individual was also present as the custodian of records for the former President’s post-presidential office. When producing the documents, neither counsel nor the custodian asserted that the former President had declassified the documents or asserted any claim of executive privilege. Instead, counsel handled them in a manner that suggested counsel believed that the documents were classified: the production included a single Redweld envelope, double-wrapped in tape, containing the documents. The individual present as the custodian of records produced and provided a signed certification letter, which stated in part the following:

Based upon the information that has been provided to me, I am authorized to certify, on behalf of the Office of Donald J. Trump, the following: a. A diligent search was conducted of the boxes that were moved from the White House to Florida; b. This search was conducted after receipt of the subpoena, in order to locate any and all documents that are responsive to the subpoena; c. Any and all responsive documents accompany this certification; and d. No copy, written notation, or reproduction of any kind was retained as to any responsive document.

I swear or affirm that the above statements are true and correct to the best of my knowledge



posted on Sep, 3 2022 @ 02:43 AM
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originally posted by: sarahvital

speaking of spies,

who told the fbi where to look?


That is exactly what Trump is desperately trying to find out so he can put out a (metaphorical) 'hit' on them. There were a lot of Saudi's there a couple of weeks ago - what did Trump show them? Maybe there is an informant in the Saudi's entourage. Who knows? Trump wants to know so he can make his father figure hero proud. And we know that guy likes to handle these kinds of situations via Moscow hospital windows.



and what was their clearances?

Possibly none. That is part of the issue in the back of everyone's mind. If the whistleblower was, for example, the maid, then who else is traipsing around in these unsecured areas.



someone had to write the warrant with places to look, right?

Yep, it was an FBI agent. It says so right there on the warrant that has been published.



i doubt it said to search every desk , that is too broad.

It said 'the premises' and it listed some particular areas including the 'storage room' and the '45 Office' but it was not restricted to those locations. Only areas currently in use by club guests or otherwise unavailable for Trump's use was excluded.

Do you have evidence (as opposed to propaganda spit balling) that 'every desk' was searched? Because I have only heard that Trumps desk in the '45 Office' was searched.



posted on Sep, 3 2022 @ 09:39 PM
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Breaking

OMG! Desperate FBI is now lying to judge Cannon.

gettr.com...

Theyve gone mad!




posted on Sep, 5 2022 @ 11:11 AM
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9.5.2022

Special Master is APPROVED.

He/She will EXPOSE the DOJ TO THE WORLD, what most of us already know they are.

www.foxnews.com...




posted on Sep, 6 2022 @ 03:41 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

a special master has ONE job: separate attorney/client privileged material from from non-privileged material.

The FBI filter team has already done this, so the special master has no work to do other than going through the motions. The SM and the FBI may in a few instances come to a different conclusion in a few instances, but I expect the FBI filter teams will have done a professional accurate job.

The point of the exercise (for Trump) is delay and he will likely get a bit of a delay out of this mess. But the Special Master doesn't have a magic wand any more than Donnie boy.

If the FBI chooses to appeal the court order, they will win. Most Judges hate to be overridden, but this judge has set himself up for that. Big Time.

Trump has been caught red-handed in illegal possession of government property. There ain't no getting around that, Special Master or no.
edit on 6/9/2022 by rnaa because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 6 2022 @ 03:55 AM
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a reply to: rnaa


"Trump has been caught red-handed in illegal possession of government property. There ain't no getting around that, Special Master or no"




The 'opinion' of democrats based on what other dems and fbi have said with zero evidence.

dems and fbi no longer have any credibility at all in anything Trump related as a result of already making so many false Trump accusations.



The special master will also get an inventory of the so called evidence, which is the important part you seemed to have intentionally overlooked.

Could it be for the same reason that the fbi has releatedly refused to provide such inventory to Trump or the court?



posted on Sep, 6 2022 @ 09:15 AM
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a reply to: rnaa

If he was caught red-handed....why has he not been arrested yet?



posted on Sep, 6 2022 @ 09:34 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: RazorV66

Short attention spans here. The whole "privilege" thing was gone through when Michael Cohen's office was searched.

Remember?


I remember. I have been searching all morning for what it was that the FBI claimed they found.
Do you remember?
It was found in a file cabinet and in a specific file.
Was it record of payment?
This is important if anyone can remember.
Very relevant now



posted on Sep, 6 2022 @ 09:39 AM
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originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: rnaa

If he was caught red-handed....why has he not been arrested yet?


Or at the very least, his security clearance revoked?

This afternoon, former President Trump could go view Top Secret documents inside a SCIF ( en.wikipedia.org...), if he wanted to.

Most of us know why. But there will always be those who don't recognize or acknowledge logic.



posted on Sep, 6 2022 @ 09:54 AM
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What a great way to start the week!

LIBERALS are screaming how "BIASED and CORRUPT" Judge Aileen Cannon is.

Source: www.yahoo.com...

There must be more to this incoming "Special Master's" powers than meets the eye, like there was with "Special Counsel" Bob Mueller.




posted on Sep, 6 2022 @ 10:10 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

The “magic power” is that what the Special Master says is pretty much law. If the prosecution says x and the SM says that x was part of Attorney-Client privilege then anything related to x ends right there and is stricken, prosecution is warned, too many warns is an automatic mistrial or dismissal with prejudice.

The Special Master keeps control of the trial out of the hands of the prosecutor which makes their job that much harder.



posted on Sep, 6 2022 @ 10:20 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

OMG! Trump is defending himself.

Houston we have a problem...



posted on Sep, 7 2022 @ 12:01 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

NO.

Trump has no security clearance.



posted on Sep, 7 2022 @ 12:07 AM
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originally posted by: rnaa
a reply to: carewemust

NO.

Trump has no security clearance.



Remember when democrats threw a trantrum when Trump threatened to cancel comrade O's security clearance?

politifact remembers.

www.politifact.com...



Former presidents retain specific clearances for life


edit on 7-9-2022 by MidnightWatcher because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 7 2022 @ 12:09 AM
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originally posted by: rnaa
a reply to: carewemust

NO.

Trump has no security clearance.


Go on, prove it.

www.law.cornell.edu...



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