Trump moves closer to getting a ''special master''

a reply to: shooterbrody

That's odd then that his lawyers aren't saying that, no? They are just claiming he had a right to have classified docs at MAL. As if classified docs are not the property of the government. They claim its normal for an ex president to have these docs at his home. Although we have never heard of ex presidents having classified docs at their home or fighting NARA for 18 months to return Presidential records.

They have not addressed the fact that even if he has some sort of right, he still mishandled the documents either. The surveillance video of who handled, moved, etc the docs in and out of the secure area will be an interesting watch I'm sure.

a reply to: frogs453
You deny the fbi lied to obtain a warrant against mr trump previously?
Wow
Even most of the BAMN people admit the truth of such.

Who is “they” in your “ they claim”?
What is “normal”?
Most ex presidents are far from normal, and it is odd to involve the fbi in a dispute with NARA.

www.politico.com...

gellerreport.com...

You people can pretend there haven’t been issues with presidents and nara, this is just the first time the dems have openly weaponized the agency.
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a reply to: frogs453

Not to mention why they signed a document stating all classified documents had been turned over, only for over a dozen more to be discovered when the search warrant was executed.

a reply to: shooterbrody

I'm sorry? The documents from your link? In the governments hands. Not held by the Clintons, nor refused to return to the government?

About 33,000 pages of documents are involved, according to the National Archives, which runs the library.Under the Presidential Records Act, such records can be withheld for up to 12 years after a president leaves office.

The withheld files at the Clinton Library are under the control of the federal government.

Your other link which I went to the original source it's referencing, is referencing Hillary and Berger and makes no mention of what Obama supposedly destroyed.

It also stressed the importance of the Archivist obtaining Presidential records. That's ironic.


As for the warrant, if there was an error in the past, you can bet there would not be going forward. A national security issue is too important to have any errors in the request.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: frogs453

Not to mention why they signed a document stating all classified documents had been turned over, only for over a dozen more to be discovered when the search warrant was executed.

Documents that were marked classified. Note the doj's OWN words.

Kash patel, mentioned in the subpoena, says they did not have time in the last days to go through each document and stamp all the pages unclassified. But they are.

And the FBI not arresting Donald Trump is proof.

a reply to: shooterbrody

The FBI lies all the time when it comes to what they've done regarding Donald Trump...and those who are supporting the FBI can be safely ignored now. The top of the FBI will be restructured next year, guaranteed.

a reply to: carewemust

Once again, Trump's lawyers are not arguing that the documents have been declassified. They're arguing that there's no issue with a former President having classified documents due to executive privilege.

If the documents had been declassified then why are Trump's lawyers not going with that argument? Why instead are they going for the extremely flimsy executive privilege argument? Why are they making a point that his new lawyer, Jim Trusty, can review the top secret documents since he has a clearance from his time working at the DOJ?

The detailed inventory has been released. We're looking at 20+ classified documents mixed in with unclassified documents. Perhaps more frightening however was the discovery of 43 empty folders with Classified markings. Where are those 43 documents?

Source

Trump’s legal team from today onward:

So judge, did you happen to catch Joe Biden’s speech on Sept 1, 2022 or read a transcript of it? Did it sound like maybe some political biases MIGHT be going on in the Executive Branch in which both the DoJ and FBI are a part of, including the AG of the US? Could a single minded, politically motivated organization with such power and weight of the FBI and entire DoJ and even the POTUS himself possibly find a judge, magistrate, arbitrator or even mediator to sign off on a warrant that may or may not have been on the up an up?

Your honor, we move to dismiss with prejudice this and any future matters that may arise as third world style political stunts.

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: shooterbrody

I'm sorry? The documents from your link? In the governments hands. Not held by the Clintons, nor refused to return to the government?

About 33,000 pages of documents are involved, according to the National Archives, which runs the library.Under the Presidential Records Act, such records can be withheld for up to 12 years after a president leaves office.

The withheld files at the Clinton Library are under the control of the federal government.

Your other link which I went to the original source it's referencing, is referencing Hillary and Berger and makes no mention of what Obama supposedly destroyed.

It also stressed the importance of the Archivist obtaining Presidential records. That's ironic.


As for the warrant, if there was an error in the past, you can bet there would not be going forward. A national security issue is too important to have any errors in the request.

Lol
Move the posts again
Too freaking funny

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: shooterbrody

The FBI lies all the time when it comes to what they've done regarding Donald Trump...and those who are supporting the FBI can be safely ignored now. The top of the FBI will be restructured next year, guaranteed.

This is pretty funny
11k non classified documents were stolen

Wow

They just took whatever they wanted
This warrant is trashed

And people support this type of political tyranny

What president is allowed to steal his political rivals passports?
Putin

Remember when we spent 4 years going back and forth about the legalities of Trump Russia collusion in manipulating the 2016 elections?

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Perhaps more frightening however was the discovery of 43 empty folders with Classified markings. Where are those 43 documents?

That stood out to me too. Doesn't look good.

a reply to: shooterbrody

The warrant covered non-classified documents. It was for any document that appeared to be property of the US government (ie any government document produced during Trump's time in office.)

originally posted by: dandandat2
Remember when we spent 4 years going back and forth about the legalities of Trump Russia collusion in manipulating the 2016 elections?

Absolutely
The fbi lied to get that warrant too otherwise there would have been no investigation.
They have done the exact same thing here.
Circular reporting “moving trucks on margalo”
Got a magistrate that already removed from other trump cases.
Fight all transparency.

Same BAMN playbook

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Perhaps more frightening however was the discovery of 43 empty folders with Classified markings. Where are those 43 documents?

That stood out to me too. Doesn't look good.

I expect more dark days to come.

This is going to go on for years -- if not decades to come.

Do you think more government safeguards (in all areas) will be enacted because of Trump's incompetency?

a reply to: Xcalibur254
Not in the warrant
Noor were the “gifts” they stole.

But spread crap around…..
They didn’t steal his passports either……

a reply to: Annee

Do you think more government safeguards (in all areas) will be enacted because of Trump's incompetency?

I suspect Trump is, and has been, threatening to expose state secrets in retaliation, to extort and intimidate the federal government, not mention the threats of riots in the streets.

I suspect the government has enacted and is preparing safeguards against exposed agents, methods and means and other issues.

a reply to: shooterbrody

You are moving the goalposts. His lawyers are aware he had classified documents. His lawyers attested that they returned all the classified material in June. Trump and his record keepers lied, or his attorneys lied. There has been no President prior that had kept classified documents at his home while spending 18 months arguing with NARA about returning them.

a reply to: shooterbrody

From the warrant:

c. Any government and/or Presidential Records created between January
20, 2017, and January 20, 2021; or

If those gifts were state gifts then they very much belong to the US government.