WMD Expert Found Dead

I want to hear the conspiracy theorists' take on this one

The British Government says it will hold an independent judicial inquiry if a body found near Oxford is found to be that of David Kelly, an adviser to the Ministry of Defence.
Dr Kelly, an expert on weapons of mass destruction who has been working for the British Ministry of Defence, went missing after telling his family he was going for a walk.

Earlier this week, Dr Kelly denied to a parliamentary inquiry that he was the source of the BBC story which accused the Government of embellishing evidence about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.

He voluntarily admitted to the Ministry of Defence that he had held an unauthorised meeting with the journalist who wrote the story.
Committee members then suggested he was the "fall guy" and the committee agreed he was most unlikely to have been the story's source.


And from the BBC

Dr Kelly, 59, had been caught up in a row between the BBC and the government about the use of intelligence reports in the run-up to the war with Iraq.

On Tuesday he told the Foreign Affairs select committee he had spoken to BBC reporter Andrew Gilligan but denied he was the main source for a story about claims that a dossier on Iraq had been "sexed up".

just a link to another thread concering this.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Eliminate the source, and you have less possible leaks that will discredit the "cover story" of your cover-up.

This "suicide" is quite suspicious. In working with people who have attempted suicide, I've noticed a pattern: they typically don't O.D. AND cut wrists.

Women tend to practice less violent means of suicide, such as overdosing and cutting wrists. Men tend to practice more violent means, such as self-administered gunshots, jumping from high places, etc.

"The post-mortem has revealed that the cause of death was haemorrhaging from a wound to his left wrist. The injury is consistent with having been caused by a bladed object. We've recovered a knife and an open packet of Coproxamol tablets at the scene," police said.

Coproxamol is a painkiller.

www.channelnewsasia.com...

It is unusual that he had Coproxamol lying around.. given current research findings. The following was released in May 2003:

Co-proxamol alone accounted for 5% of all suicides. Of 4162 drug related suicides, 18% (766) involved co-proxamol alone, 22% (927) tricyclic antidepressants alone, and 9% (368) paracetamol alone. A higher proportion of suicides in the 10-24 year age group were due to co-proxamol than in the other age groups. The odds of dying after overdose with co-proxamol was 2.3 times (95% confidence interval 2.1 to 2.5) that for tricyclic antidepressants and 28.1 times (24.9 to 32.9) that for paracetamol. CONCLUSIONS: Self poisoning with co-proxamol is particularly dangerous and contributes substantially to drug related suicides. Restricting availability of co-proxamol could have an important role in suicide prevention.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Seems a bit too convenient, doesn't it? Why cut wrists if the Coproxamol is going to do the job?

Finally, out of all of the folks I've known who have succeeded in suicide, every single one of them has left a note. Yet....

The police would not discuss whether there was any note or other explanation, but his wife said Friday that she had had no indication he was contemplating suicide when he left his home in the village of Southmoor Thursday afternoon, saying he was going for a walk.

ALSO:

In an e-mail message to a reporter for The New York Times shortly before he left on his walk Thursday, Dr. Kelly discussed his appearance before the committee and referred to "many dark actors playing games."

www.nytimes.com...

But I'm sure its all coincidence.....

[Edited on 19-7-2003 by MKULTRA]

[Edited on 19-7-2003 by MKULTRA]

I found that odd aswell, my mother has worked with the police force and now in psycology, she has dealt with many suicides and potential suicides, and from what she has said about various cases most suicide victims don't think to consider things like painkillers?
Even when such an act is premeditated, a person tends to do these this spontaniously. Which means thoughts like "oh this might hurt" tend to fall to the back of your mind.

The question I believe pertinent...is what does the "Suicide" say?

I first heard about it just moments ago and it is obvious that his "death" is supposed to say "Bush's actions are so dispicable I had to kill myself."

This is as befuddling as the suicide of that Enron Executive....sure they're dead, but the motives are too directed...

I believe both Suicides, but especially this one of the WMD's inspector (expert now really...)...were murders...to further someone else's agenda.

A microbiologist and he slits his wrists?and takes some garbage pain killers? pretty primative think of all the painless quick ways he would have known how to die?
I rest my case

Gota see where your coming from teflon, it just raises too many questions to be an open and shut case. Although that is exactly how it will be conducted, that much i'm prepared to bet on.

aah yes the conspiracy thickens.

Well, compare this to the cold war. Leaked info = Treason = Dead.

Even if it is a cover up, heh.

It's going to be interesting to see though how the present government rides the aftermath of this out. Considering they intend to have the entire case investigated in 2 months tops, the media are going to have a field day.

Look for one more before the next election. This is a popular way for the Bush family to deal with embarrasments.

You're so wrong Goregrinder.

I guess no one likes to ever THINK ABOUT SOMETHING.

The death of this WMD inspector is against BUSH!

It doesn't help him.


It's obviously (if not an actual suicide) a set-up by anti-bush peoples.

[Edited on 20-7-2003 by FreeMason]

Exactly, if this is foul play then it's a botch job. Mr Blair is going to take a hell of a alot of flak for this, but i doubt it will stop with him, it wouldn't surprise me if the repercusions are felt by Bush.

Originally posted by FreeMason
You're so wrong Goregrinder.

I guess no one likes to ever THINK ABOUT SOMETHING.

The death of this WMD inspector is against BUSH!

It doesn't help him.


It's obviously (if not an actual suicide) a set-up by anti-bush peoples.

[Edited on 20-7-2003 by FreeMason]

ARE YOU TALKING TO ME....I SAID ARE YOU TALKING TO ME ( Ok so I am not Robert Deniro.) I am GROINGRINDER please do not slag poor goregrinder over this thread. I stand by what I said. This has Bush's fingerprints all over it. Remember that daddy was head of the CIA. I would not be surprised if Bush's druggie neice had an "overdose" before the next election.

Originally posted by FreeMason
You're so wrong Goregrinder.

I guess no one likes to ever THINK ABOUT SOMETHING.

The death of this WMD inspector is against BUSH!

It doesn't help him.


It's obviously (if not an actual suicide) a set-up by anti-bush peoples.

[Edited on 20-7-2003 by FreeMason]

dude, you are mental!

you don't seem to have any grasp of reality.

Anti Bush people are responsable for Dr Kelly's death! Bush has absolutely nothing to do with this incident, how do you link this to Bush?

Maybe you mean anti Blair people? as this could have serious consequences for his government, however this death makes no difference to Bush, it doesn't affect him in the slightest.

"obviously set up by anti bush people'' -

who are these mysterious yet powerful plotters against President bush, and why on earth would they chose to kill a respected British micro biologist instead of say...someone who actually matters to Bush.

Freemason, you are obviosly young, but without meaning to be too harsh, it is you that needs to "think about something", you need to think about what you write before you write it. You don't even make sense, never mind backing your splutters of accusation with some motive or evidence.

I can't help but think that perhaps Freemason is not young at all, and is simply trying to disrupt the level of debate and analysis in some topics, with meaningless comments.

Please explain Freemason.

Police confirmed that Dr David Kelly Weapon�s expert had slashed wrist and bled to death. Therefore, it looks as if they are going to make it look like suicide or a freak accident. All this just as Tony Blair comes under more and more intense pressure over the Iraq dossier affair.

It is looking like Mr Blair was fed a whole load of lies by MI6 who where fed the lies by, yes you guessed it, the US. All so that if no WMD were found then Blair would take the blame for misleading the rest of the world and proceeding with an illegal war. After all when Blair and Bush stood side by side at the White House announcing to the world that Iraq had WMD and that the US also had evidence that Saddam had bought uranium from Nigeria. It was Toni Blair who gave the statement that �We have the evidence that Iraq has WMD here in black and white� �There is no doubt about it, all the evidence that is needed is right here in this dossier put together by US and British intelligence". "It�s on this evidence that we will attack Iraq if they do not surrender these weapons of mass destruction within the time given to them by the UN�.

Blair and Bush have #ED UP big time.

Okay, confirmation that this guy was the source.

www.cnn.com...

Question:

So you decide that you want to whack yourself. And your going to cut your wrist. So you take off walking in what has been reported to be pretty crappy weather and you take with you

a knife
and a package of pain killers...

right. Does anyone else here typically head to the park with a package of painkillers in their pocket??? I mean, if he took the pain killers in order to ease cutting his wrist, he could have just as easily taken them at home, walked out the door, went to the park and done the dirty deed. Why would he have a package of pain killers in his pocket? That doesn't sound right. That sounds planted.

"I do not find Mr [Alastair] Campbell by any means a wholly satisfactory or convinsing witness" a high court judge concluded in 1996, after hearing testimony from Tony Blair's spin doctor "Mr Campbell was less than completely open and frank. He did not impress me as a witness in whom i could feel 100% confident".
During his own days as a "reporter", Campbell was a shameless propagandist who happily embellished stories to damage the conservatives. As he replied to a reader who accused him of being a stirrer "What's wrong with stirring?"

Campbell is a liar, exposed by Dr Kelly, the inquiry will be a whitewash.

People say that this is not done by the Bush people well think again. If this man had been left alive to talk what he said could have been bad news for Bush and his popularity. I stand by my view it was an assasination by Bush's people. Because he is dead you can only speculate what he might have said. This man was a goldfish in a game played by sharks and barracuda. I cannot believe that folks here are so naive. THIS IS THE REAL WORLD, NOT "TELE TUBBIES".

Question:

So you decide that you want to whack yourself. And your going to cut your wrist. So you take off walking in what has been reported to be pretty crappy weather and you take with you

a knife
and a package of pain killers...

right. Does anyone else here typically head to the park with a package of painkillers in their pocket??? I mean, if he took the pain killers in order to ease cutting his wrist, he could have just as easily taken them at home, walked out the door, went to the park and done the dirty deed. Why would he have a package of pain killers in his pocket? That doesn't sound right. That sounds planted.

Exactly. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody held him down and gave him a shot of some type of sedative (that would look like coproxamine upon viewing toxicology), then sliced his wrists and left him there to die.

What a joke, but it does show you that the folks in control right now lied to us about WMD, they lied to us about lying about WMD, and now they're lying to us about the death of a WMD expert.