Will Car Manufacturers Increase Electric-Hybrid Vehicle Prices Due to the New Federal Subsidies.

Friday, August 26, 2022

One component of the Biden Administration's Inflation Bill passed by the Congress this month is a "Clean Vehicle" component, designed to force (almost) everyone off of using gasoline engines in 7 years...by 2030.

Look at the list of cars that qualify for the new $7,500 tax credit: www.fueleconomy.gov...

Assuming the manufacturer doesn't increase the price of the vehicles eligible for the $7,500 Federal Tax Credit, is it worth buying one of these electric, or electric-gas hybrid vehicles, in your experience/opinion?

Hopefully there is a component of the Stop Inflation bill that prevents Ford, GM, Audi, etc., from raising the price of the Electric/Hybrid cars by $7,500 dollars.

My wife is shopping for a 2023 car and doesn't want to pay $7,500 more if she chooses electric/hybrid, because she waited 3 or 6 months.

-CareWeMust

originally posted by: carewemust
Friday, August 26, 2022

One component of the Biden Administration's Inflation Bill passed by the Congress this month is a "Clean Vehicle" component, designed to force (almost) everyone off of using gasoline engines in 7 years...by 2030.

Look at the list of cars that qualify for the new $7,500 tax credit: www.fueleconomy.gov...

Assuming the manufacturer doesn't increase the price of the vehicles eligible for the $7,500 Federal Tax Credit, is it worth buying one of these electric, or electric-gas hybrid vehicles, in your experience/opinion?

Hopefully there is a component of the Stop Inflation bill that prevents Ford, GM, Audi, etc., from raising the price of the Electric/Hybrid cars by $7,500 dollars.

My wife is shopping for a 2023 car and doesn't want to pay $7,500 more if she chooses electric/hybrid, because she waited 3 or 6 months.

-CareWeMust

The Toyota dealership near me is already putting a $4500 dealer mark up on the Rav 4 Hybrid. Toyotas website says they start at $29k but actual dealer price is $33k + $4500 dealer mark up plus tax and they always try for extended warranty at another $4k+. I am sore they will add another $3k to dealer mark up now.

a reply to: carewemust

Of course they will raise the prices. If California passes legislation to prevent the sale of non-ev cars the prices of those cars will skyrocket. Manufacturers will claim it is necessary due to the increased demand. And our politicians will already have stock in those companies so they won't mind the price increase one bit.

Yes.

a reply to: carewemust

The closest you want to come to a BEV is a Hybrid and I'd go with a Toyota Hybrid, not a Honda.

Two reasons: 1) the battery technology will improve drastically over the course of the next four years from a "wet" lithium battery to a "dry" solid state battery with almost instant recharge and and much better range AND the solid state batteries will be a lot cheaper. The "wet" lithium battery powered vehicles will lose near all their value as the solid state batteries come out. 2) unless you live in Cali or the East Coast, there's practically no recharging stations and 50% of the ones installed are broken day to day.

The longer you wait, the greater likeliehood HFCEV, (hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicles) will be rolled out and Hydrogen refueling stations will be installed at the big truck stops like Flying J, Petro, and Pilot, followed shortly by the rest of the gasoline vendors. That technology will be even better than the solid state batteries, especially for those lucky enough to live outside of any major metropolitan areas.

Between now and 2030 I view "automobiles" as a throw away item; you wanna really save money and practicle, get a Kia/Hyundai itty bitty box and drive it till it drops and then donate it to the Mexican Red Cross.

I am asking myself how this does fit together: On one side they are pushing for electric vehicles but at the same time they are creating electric energy shortages and sky rocketing moon prices for electricity which will never go back down to the prices we we were known to before all that transformation madness began. Where would one charge his electric vehicle if there is a huge electric energy crisis happening soon and simply not enough electric energy available for us peasants because of "our" overlords?

Or if they ration electricity for us, "to save the climate" of course? No joke, they start to do it and turn us into something like NK on satellite maps at night soon here in Germany. They switch off street lights and every "not necessary light" at night "where these lights aren´t really needed". If they weren´t needed at all, why were they build and used for decades then? First they cry around that everything is too unsafe for females, especially at night, then they switch off lights at night to only fullfill their foreign and hostile controlled agenda, you can´t make that sh!t up. They bend it just they way they need it...

I would stay with gasoline powered vehicles and maybe even rebuild an older vehicle so you can use it with burning wood. If you can make money with buying now and selling for more later, then of course i would buy such an electric vehicle now but who knows how affordable electric energy will be for the masses in a few months and who then still wants to buy electric powered vehicles and for what prices.

a reply to: carewemust

I can only talk about my friend that have bad experience with the Hybrid/electric, in 6 years she had two of them, one after the other before the guarantee was over, problems with the main battery, she is now back to gas car, soo much for the environment. BTW she is a fan of honda.

Now as we know in our nation, when the government tells that is helping you, is actually giving the money to somebody else, and screwing you, in this case the dealers, in the US the regulations always make stuff expensive, that includes cars, soo no you think you are getting a break but is all a lie.

a reply to: carewemust

If they try and regulate gas cars out of use, ie you won't pass emissions tests or worse, just outright outlawing gas cars, there will be millions of people driving with no legal/up to date registration.
there will be black market gas stations. interesting concept.

a reply to: carewemust

I'm pretty sure it was announced 2 weeks ago that the prices of EVs were going up pretty much the exact amount of the "rebates, incentives, and discounts" that were crammed into the latest spending bill.

Those prices will skyrocket to levels where even less Upper Middle Class People will qualify for the loans.

It's all rigged.

The designers of this masterpiece legislation (and Future legislation) have placed the Middle and Lower Classes into the "Who Gives a Fly'n F#K on a Roll'n Donut about them" category because they can't get financing to buy the damn crap anyway -- but they CAN PAY TAXES to support the Bu!!sn!t 😎

a reply to: xuenchen

Is all good, because we will be mandated into buying a darn electric crap or walk to work, soo no work for those that cannot own a way of transporting anymore because they cannot afford it.

biden is going to give 1 million dollars to all soo we can be rich, oops only if you are an immigrant.

Hybrid EV/gasoline cars are bull#.

It's either EV or gasoline. ICE was fully engineered towards efficiency around 2003-2004, now they just keep changing addons that are fueling the naive assessment that it's somehow better. Only with full recuperation while braking it's somehow viable.

It's like the "ECO" mode on many newer models where the transmission goes to neutral when lifting gas and the engine goes to idle until the gas pedal is pushed again. There's not much difference at the end of the day if someone knows how to drive fuel efficient. Even worse, often the brakes are used to convert the torque to heat. Unless hybrid cars are not fitted with full recuperation and just emergency brake pads should it fail, it's really not that better than a full gasoline car or an EV.

People need to understand that you can't have it all. An engine can not be fuel efficient, environmental clean and deliver torque at the same time. It's either one of those three with more sub-branches of what will be bad. One example: High pressure injection is good for fuel efficiency, turbochargers too, but both also make the exhaust particles smaller, what isn't good for health and the environment. Politics constantly switches terms between fine dust particles, CO2, fuel consumption and monoxide (mainly, even though there are more).

The only way an EV makes sense is that one has a way of creating own energy like for instance with a water powered plant or photovoltaics. That's how I do it, I drive EV and the power comes from the roof most of the time. And if it does not, because I don't have batteries on the pv system, it's the grid but that's now going towards blockchain where I can get energy back I supplied to the grid, just that it now is from coal.

"At the end of the bill", it's a zero sum game, a naive assessment of the situation, both fueled by contradicting demands from politics and their mindless followers. The factors that make EV attractive is:

-less parts
-torque
-harvesting energy back

A hybrid engine looses in all of these three categories because it has more parts, less torque and only meekly can harvest spend energy back. I drive EV because of my passion to acceleration, not because I think it's the better deal.

But. We need to invest in the technology now so that we do not start from scratch once we have a suitable, portable on demand energy source. And they are on the horizon, if not for military usage and hence hiding the technologies or at least make it difficult to reach that grade of efficiency.

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a reply to: carewemust

hell yes they will and already have. but they claim it's was due material cost increases and other factors.
the other factors being the 7500 tax credit.

my line of thinking, just like cash for clunkers, the snuck the car mf's in the white house, and Manchin and made a deal.
remember that sly look slo joe gave him whenhe sighed the bill and gave him the pen.

a reply to: carewemust

They Already Have . Check the Price of a New Tesla .

Ford also increased the base price of the F-150 Lightning EV by $7000 the day it went to Joe’s desk.

originally posted by: 51Reasons

originally posted by: carewemust
Friday, August 26, 2022

One component of the Biden Administration's Inflation Bill passed by the Congress this month is a "Clean Vehicle" component, designed to force (almost) everyone off of using gasoline engines in 7 years...by 2030.

Look at the list of cars that qualify for the new $7,500 tax credit: www.fueleconomy.gov...

Assuming the manufacturer doesn't increase the price of the vehicles eligible for the $7,500 Federal Tax Credit, is it worth buying one of these electric, or electric-gas hybrid vehicles, in your experience/opinion?

Hopefully there is a component of the Stop Inflation bill that prevents Ford, GM, Audi, etc., from raising the price of the Electric/Hybrid cars by $7,500 dollars.

My wife is shopping for a 2023 car and doesn't want to pay $7,500 more if she chooses electric/hybrid, because she waited 3 or 6 months.

-CareWeMust

The Toyota dealership near me is already putting a $4500 dealer mark up on the Rav 4 Hybrid. Toyotas website says they start at $29k but actual dealer price is $33k + $4500 dealer mark up plus tax and they always try for extended warranty at another $4k+. I am sore they will add another $3k to dealer mark up now.

That stinks. Biden always expresses anger over "gougers", but I don't know what he's doing to stop them.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: carewemust

Of course they will raise the prices. If California passes legislation to prevent the sale of non-ev cars the prices of those cars will skyrocket. Manufacturers will claim it is necessary due to the increased demand. And our politicians will already have stock in those companies so they won't mind the price increase one bit.

California, Massachusettes and Washington state are phasing out Gasoline cars. In 2026 35% of all sales will be Electric or Hybrid. That percentage rises to 100% by 2035.

Source: www.westernjournal.com...

I suppose the number of gas stations will decline too. A person from Nevada driving into California might NOT be able to find gas, or will find it for $10.00 @ gallon.

originally posted by: DerBeobachter
I am asking myself how this does fit together: On one side they are pushing for electric vehicles but at the same time they are creating electric energy shortages and sky rocketing moon prices for electricity which will never go back down to the prices we we were known to before all that transformation madness began. Where would one charge his electric vehicle if there is a huge electric energy crisis happening soon and simply not enough electric energy available for us peasants because of "our" overlords?

Or if they ration electricity for us, "to save the climate" of course? No joke, they start to do it and turn us into something like NK on satellite maps at night soon here in Germany. They switch off street lights and every "not necessary light" at night "where these lights aren´t really needed". If they weren´t needed at all, why were they build and used for decades then? First they cry around that everything is too unsafe for females, especially at night, then they switch off lights at night to only fullfill their foreign and hostile controlled agenda, you can´t make that sh!t up. They bend it just they way they need it...

I would stay with gasoline powered vehicles and maybe even rebuild an older vehicle so you can use it with burning wood. If you can make money with buying now and selling for more later, then of course i would buy such an electric vehicle now but who knows how affordable electric energy will be for the masses in a few months and who then still wants to buy electric powered vehicles and for what prices.

Personally, I think they want to vastly limit our ability to travel. A first big step would be to push a new concept, under X-pretense, make it popular among the masses, regulate it, talk about mandating it, all the whilst taking it a few steps farther out of reach for the masses. Another plausible idea is sheer control. Get into a computerized, battery-powered high-tech vehicle where conceivably, they could trap and contain the occupant and remote the buggy right to wherever they wish to apprehend said person, for x-purpose. Of course, it may not need to be a case of entrapment. If I ruin my social credit score, I might wake up to find they remoted my ride away until such time I toe the line.

It all goes back to control, as I see it. The environment is merely an excuse. If they can control or greatly manipulate weather, if they are ready to launch nukes, all for the achievement of agenda, who is to say they really care about the environment at all?

a reply to: BiffTannen

At $60,000 for electric cars, there will be a lot of people choosing to ride electric scooters.