Seriously - Why are you so afraid of everything and everyone?

a reply to: incoserv

I find I need to reply again in order the clarify my own understanding.

The Inflation Reduction Act was passed into law (I think President Biden still has to sign it). Everybody (not really) seems to be in an uproar over some provision or another.

Personally I am anxious about whether or not the IRS provisions include Gross Flows Reporting that I believe was in an earlier version. I have to wait and see as the finance community parses out all the details to know for certain. I'm fearful about this potential provision because it will personally effect me. I am, to use your term, situationally aware of potential threats (let me find a non-military term) a risk I may incur and have to mitigate if Gross Flows Reporting in now law.

I am fearful of that. I am not fearful of the New Law itself.

My question was about these broad sweeps of fear.

Fear of this on aspect of the new law does not generalize to Fear of the Law or Fear of the Congress/Senate nor Fear of the Federal Government as a whole.

And I roughly use Fear as synonymous with Hate.

How to state the question better?

How are you personally effected by the Groups you hate. From my example: If you are fearful/hate the IRS, what is the personal fears that causes that? And how does your personal fear cause you to generalize the threat? Basically where does the fear/dislike/disgust originate?

a reply to: incoserv

An ad hominem attach on me personally has defeated your argument.

a reply to: FyreByrd

Why do you need me to conform?

a reply to: FyreByrd

I agree, there is a lot of fear regarding these topics. Part of it has to do with the corruption of organizations involved. Sometimes it is an overreaction, other times it is calling out the extremes of modern day positions.

Conformity often leads to a fealings of safety and has been the theme of many dystopian novels. As I peruse both left and right wing sites, it is evident this theme is a common denominator. People fear those that have different beliefs.

originally posted by: FyreByrd
a reply to: incoserv
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How are you personally effected by the Groups you hate. From my example: If you are fearful/hate the IRS, what is the personal fears that causes that? And how does your personal fear cause you to generalize the threat? Basically where does the fear/dislike/disgust originate?

Now, that pisses me off. How dare you tell me that I hate "groups."

We all knew that you were just trolling with your OP, but that's beyond the pale.

This isn't even worth engaging at this point. You accuse me of hatefulness and don't know me. That itself is a prime example if hatefulness.

You are not worth any more of my time!

DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!

a reply to: Iamonlyhuman


I agree and have been refining my question. My intent is understanding. And some responses have been helpful for my understanding of the question I'm posing. They have not answered the question as directly and personally.

I feel this pull to generalize and blame my fear on certain groups as well and try very hard not to nurture my biases.

I do have them, that is why I post on this site at all, to meet my biases head on and see them as people not as objects of threat.

It's all a process, not static.

originally posted by: underpass61
a reply to: FyreByrd

The person that wrote this seems awfully afraid of Trump

A fact is these documents where never his to remove in the first place. They were the property of the US government (meaning you and me). If you believe in property rights (another subject), then you must consider this theft if nothing else.

Personally, the sheer arrogance of this man (I use the term very loosely), is appalling.

Any ideas who that was?

And is a complete lie of course.
Presidents have the right to declassify any document and keep copies, Obama I read too 30,000 plus docs when he left for his private museum. I doubt any President left without papers but the true law breaking done by Hilary and clan goes unpunished.

a reply to: schuyler

HMM - interesting. My terminology as different than yours.

For example, the word "homophobia" is supposed to mean "fear of homos." Phobia = fear. This is now the preferred term to describe anyone who exhibits any criticism at all against gays.

And you implied that

This is now the preferred term to describe anyone who exhibits any criticism at all against gays. Someone or some group engineered the use of this term

I never mentioned any thing about this group but it's fair to include it, I'll grant that.

But to infer that I mean fear of the groups I listed is 1) I'm excluding honest questioning and criticism of said groups (or any grouping for that matter) and 2) that I am complaisance with engineering this type of usage is just plane false. I do not.

Nor was it the intent of the question. I'm a philosophical anarchist in the sense of questioning everything, criticizing everything not in the sense of Lawlessness.

Then you go on your own rant about "perpetrators" ....

And your real fear of the potential threat to your daughter gets lost in the blaming of others.

This looks like a decent example of taking a reasonable personal fear (or concern if you like) and generalizing all out of proportion.

a reply to: Iamonlyhuman


I'm trying

originally posted by: underpass61
a reply to: FyreByrd

The person that wrote this seems awfully afraid of Trump

A fact is these documents where never his to remove in the first place. They were the property of the US government (meaning you and me). If you believe in property rights (another subject), then you must consider this theft if nothing else.

Personally, the sheer arrogance of this man (I use the term very loosely), is appalling.

Any ideas who that was?

I am afraid of Trump - not the man but the symbol he has become. And I'm not ashamed to admit it.

But I don't let my personal fear of symbol Trump turn into fear/hatred for the people who voted for him.

And that is the point.

a reply to: FyreByrd

You made a list of things that concern conservatives and labeled them fears. My point is shouldn't your concerns be labeled the same?
And where did you get the notion that our concerns equate to hatred of the liberal opposition? We're not the ones toppling statues or lighting Federal buildings on fire.

originally posted by: FyreByrd
I expect to get a lot of I'm not afraid of anything responses but I am truly curious about why your are so afraid (or hate):

The Government
Members of the Democratic Party
Immigrants
Women
Blacks
Browns
Muslims
Teachers
Union Members
and the list goes on.

I am truly curious about why you are afraid of theses things?

Will you feel safe if everyone thinks and acts and likes the same things you do?

I just don't understand this need for conformity to feel safe.

Help a person out here.

I couldn't agree more! I don't get it either. I'm not afraid of the Republican Party, Trump, or any of his fans. While I'm not a fan of guns, I'm not afraid of them either. I am afraid of white supremacists though. They have a tendency to be violent.

I'm not afraid of vaccines of any kind. I'm no longer fearful of getting covid. Life is too short to worry about things we have no control of. I think there are many more who feel like we do.

a reply to: putnam6

Thank you.

I found your post comforting. I'm seeking to find gentler words for you.

I use strong and accurate words before that is what I mean. I think most generalized biases are the result of conscious or unconscious fears. Human evolution has ensured that perceived threats take precedence over reasoning. (I refer one to the Test of the Gom Jabbar in Dune by Frank Herbert).

Any change can be perceived as a threat. The unknown is a threat. When we feel unsafe (physically, mentally, spiritually) and feel threatened in some way, we lose our capacity for reason. The Neuro Science confirms this.

originally posted by: InwardDiver
a reply to: FyreByrd

I agree, there is a lot of fear regarding these topics. Part of it has to do with the corruption of organizations involved. Sometimes it is an overreaction, other times it is calling out the extremes of modern day positions.

Conformity often leads to a fealings of safety and has been the theme of many dystopian novels. As I peruse both left and right wing sites, it is evident this theme is a common denominator. People fear those that have different beliefs.

Your point about conformity is accurate, it does provide a sense of safety to life. What I ask myself is at what cost to my authenticity. And that calculus with be very different for each individual. That is were honest self- reflection comes into play.

I think my question is really about this trade-off now that you mention it. How people make themselves feel safe.

originally posted by: incoserv

originally posted by: FyreByrd
a reply to: incoserv
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How are you personally effected by the Groups you hate. From my example: If you are fearful/hate the IRS, what is the personal fears that causes that? And how does your personal fear cause you to generalize the threat? Basically where does the fear/dislike/disgust originate?

Now, that pisses me off. How dare you tell me that I hate "groups."

We all knew that you were just trolling with your OP, but that's beyond the pale.

This isn't even worth engaging at this point. You accuse me of hatefulness and don't know me. That itself is a prime example if hatefulness.

You are not worth any more of my time!

DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!

Having fun - I was speaking in general (rhetorically) and you know it. Another ad hominem.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: underpass61
a reply to: FyreByrd

The person that wrote this seems awfully afraid of Trump

A fact is these documents where never his to remove in the first place. They were the property of the US government (meaning you and me). If you believe in property rights (another subject), then you must consider this theft if nothing else.

Personally, the sheer arrogance of this man (I use the term very loosely), is appalling.

Any ideas who that was?

And is a complete lie of course.
Presidents have the right to declassify any document and keep copies, Obama I read too 30,000 plus docs when he left for his private museum. I doubt any President left without papers but the true law breaking done by Hilary and clan goes unpunished.

This is completely off topic and unsubstantiated. You read X,Y,Z. Show me. You believe. Show me with references. It's a lie. Show me.

I said that in another thread. Why are you fixated on it. Am I a threat to you.

originally posted by: underpass61
a reply to: FyreByrd

You made a list of things that concern conservatives and labeled them fears. My point is shouldn't your concerns be labeled the same?
And where did you get the notion that our concerns equate to hatred of the liberal opposition? We're not the ones toppling statues or lighting Federal buildings on fire.

Yes they should be. Feel free to list some.

This is my rant. Hatred is one response to Fear. Other's include violence, an other is running away, freezing (as is ridigity of thinking) and submitting. Hatred usually play out in these same ways.

An example is the State of Isreal. They have become what they hated (feared).

originally posted by: FyreByrd
a reply to: schuyler

This looks like a decent example of taking a reasonable personal fear (or concern if you like) and generalizing all out of proportion.

And it sounds to me like you don't understand your own questions. You persist in framing your issues using your own terminology and definitions. No one else should feel constrained by that, nor is it unreasonable to extend the issue and provide some real-world examples rather than remain focused on generalities. You are not fooling anyone by claiming you "want to understand." Your point of view is painfully obvious and, IMO, disingenuous and self-serving. You are taking a superior point of view trying to "understand" the failings of the masses. The fallacy here is that you are the problem.

a reply to: FyreByrd

Nothing on your list anyway. Although afraid i'd murder a noisy libtard if for example i was stuck in a lift for a prolonged period with them, i don't like lifts as it is.

Afraid of being buried alive, i'm a little claustrophobic, my uncle thought it would be funny to lock me in a suitcase when i was around 6 or 7 years old, after around 20 minutes i came out a different person.

a reply to: incoserv

When you grew up in the prevailing culture that is now being deliberately eroded... but you have questions.

"Seriously".

"Truly".

"Help a person out here".