More than 600 Migrants Caught the Dover Border Force Taxi Service on Saturday

a reply to: gortex
Come off the "EU open borders" bit. That makes no difference. The only people to blame are the politicians who wont enforce our border policy, HARD.

NOW, let me harp on about everybody's mis understanding about Brexit. One of the lies they used was "we want control of our borders back". Listen very closely "WE NEVER EVER LOST CONTROL OF OUR BORDERS" period. And it's was the same then, ANY and ALL UK citizens (whether it was in the EU or out) HAD to comply with immigration force when entering your own country and it's the same now. So if they can enforce the border control for it's own citizens why not to migrants?????????

ANSWER:- BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO.

a reply to: nickyw

I'm not clever enough to discern if or what the overall objective is.

I just know that there is a malaise that runs deep in our society.
And the continuing refusal to address immigration issues in the UK certainly isn't in the best interests of ordinary, everyday British people and just serves to increase division and conflict.

I could rant forever about the issues this great nation faces.....but its a hot Sunday afternoon and to be honest I can't be arsed at present.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Soloprotocol

The problem we have is the incompetent and amoral arseholes that infest Westminster.

I'm pretty sure I told you all that years ago.

The Uk is a failed state.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Soloprotocol


But at least we are now in the situation whereby a government could actually do something about it if they had the moral fortitude to do so.....that wasn't the case before Brexit.

Like ship people to Rwanda?

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Soloprotocol



Do you think things would have been better if we had stayed in the EU?

Yes. before Brexit we had leverage and an agreement with the EU. I warned you all in a post on here( if you care to look) before Brexit as to how the EU countries would deal with illegal migrants trying to make it to the UK post-Brexit....you all laughed. Who's laughing now?.

a reply to: Freeborn

fair enough..

a reply to: Soloprotocol

not sure anyone would buy the notion immigration would be better if the UK remained in the EU.. firstly the open borders crowd are more Americanised than the US democrats they'll have no compulsion but encourage migrant flows as Merkel did but this time it'll collapse Southern Europe..

honestly if I was the EU and given the issues they already face I'd be more worried about that than trying to stick it to the UK..

a reply to: gortex

Fix the problem.

British benefits and housing should only be available to British citizens and those actually given official right to remain here such as official and fully investigated and approved asylum seekers and citizens of friendly nations given the right to stay here.

Employers whom hire these migrant's should be faced with a statutory prison sentence under a mild treason law as they are actively harming our economy by hiring illegal migrants in the black market economy, they should also have there assets all seized except where there is innocent family involved or innocent party's not aware of the criminality they are involved in.

Albanians NOT officially here should face a minimum of five years in prison and then expulsion from our nation, migrants carrying weapons should be immediately expelled no matter what they claim there age is, there reason for coming here etc.

All the rest should be shipped back to France whom are actually legally liable for them.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

The Uk is a failed state.

The UK is NOT a failed state; it has its faults and problems....none of which are insurmountable.
But it requires us to work together to rid us of the parasites that have been holding us back for far too long now.

I know I told you that years ago.

Like ship people to Rwanda?

Not an ideal solution....but its an option.
We have to do something because we simply can not continue harbouring the constant wave of people illegally entering the country.

Yes. before Brexit we had leverage and an agreement with the EU.

Are you seriously suggesting we didn't have a problem with illegal immigration from the EU before Brexit?

I warned you all in a post on here( if you care to look) before Brexit as to how the EU countries would deal with illegal migrants trying to make it to the UK post-Brexit....

Its more a reflection on the morality of the EU that they will wash their hands of the whole illegal immigrant situation along with all the misery for the poor souls seeking illegal entry into the UK as some sort of weapon to be used against the UK just for having the temerity to leave the EU.
They have abdicated all repsonsibility and show a complete lack of compassion or regard.....all just to 'get back' at the UK.

Do you honestly think that is commendable and admirable?

This isn't a new problem, not by a long shot.
Its been compounded by the incompetence of successive governments and their lack of desire to address the issue - for various reasons.
The continual use and manipulation of immigration problems to increase divisions and to serve as a deflection from other issues in our society.
And the willingness of the EU to pass the responsibility and blame on to the UK for political reasons and purely for spite.

Scratch beneath the surface and no-one looks very good.

you all laughed. Who's laughing now?.

We didn't laugh then and no-one is laughing now.

a reply to: Freeborn

the problem isn't micro, it's macro. After years of hearing about the NWO, the damn WEF steps out of the closet and smiles, while sharing the plans with everyone, and rather than realizing this is what has been talked about for years, people shrug it off, and defend the ideals of those who wish to tear it down to rebuild as they see fit.

Climate change being the vehicle they chose to use to get around.

But I'm just a nut job conspiracy person, so look over there, not here.

a reply to: Freeborn

the bigger problem is the knock on effect in Europe which get more visible by the day, it seems to me the open borders crowd in the UK are obviously not fans of the EU since in equal measure they snaffle up their cheap labour, nurses, doctors at a cost to the countries they take the resources from, off the back of that they are willing to risk collapsing southern Europe under another migrant crisis to pat themselves for providing open borders for all, or healthcare/abortions to all Americans, all the while remaining nimby enough to keep all that all from their areas.

The sh*t storm is incoming especially given growing food and fuel insecurity, the UK could have stepped up to backfill a chunk of the EU gas needs this winter and perhaps even some food exports outside of CAP.. but we have those at the helm pandering to the ideologically broken and a sizeable chunk of the electorate now quite happy to return the EUs spite tying the hands of whoever takes over from Johnson..

bottom line is we have too many big problems we have no solution to..

a reply to: network dude

the thing is the noeliberalism of Thatcher and Reagan was welcomed, people want to own homes and provide a better future for their kids..

the world is split into those who believe in equity and more is less... who generally have the most and those who believe in equality and doing more with less.. who only have a little..

when you weight these two then equality, the doing more with less and popular sovereignty always wins as that is what this is all boiling down to.. popular sovereignty and a modern take on the reformation.

I understand how you feel. I live in California, and we have so many illegal border crossings, its almost funny. We have a daily counter that runs at all times. I can tell you the total of illegal crossings so far today, but within a minute or less that total will have already increased.

The total so far today at 11:42 am is at 3343. Thats just today, before noon.

The annual cost to California citizens is 23 BILLION Dollars.



I feel your pain

a reply to: gortex

This is just part of the madness we're living in.

a reply to: gortex

So, 20,000 migrants a year are causing an economic problem for 68,638,650 Brits?

I think I see what the actual problem is, someone's no good at math...

a reply to: chr0naut

It's 20,000 illegal migrants and that's what's detected. So far.

For starters it's a huge risk to life.

But of you want to break down the cost of integrating non English speaking asylum seekers into Britain then please enlighten us. I've got a good idea though considering they cannot use the normal channels (no pun intended) nor can they legally work, it's not just a few grand a year.

The cost to the RNLI, which relies a lot on donations is also high. It's also trashing their public opinion too which is rather sad imho.

Anyways... That's a giggle coming from a kiwi. I'd be happy for our nation to speed up it's immigration system and even clear the 'backlog' with the French despite it not being a British problem at all. Any legally viable link to Britain and we can fast track and take those migrants/refugees.

A lot of these migrants/refugees are paying £1000s to criminals. International people smugglers.

They're travelling through multiple nations, also illegally.

When certain members of society don't play by the rules it costs us all, when outsiders join your society and never played by the rules? Yeah that's not costly at all is it?

Nobody is saying it either but do you know the type of people who always avoid authority? We don't want them and neither does your nation. Hence all the bs and let the Brits process them... Putting the human rights responsibility solely on our shoulders.

I'll repeat it again. The World is heating up and it aint cooling down again. People are on the move for basic necessities, ie water, and with that food and a better life for themselves and their families.

They are literally fighting for survival. Given the circumstances, What would you do? How far would you go?

a reply to: Soloprotocol

if you'll notice in terms of the channel it always happens right before the really big upheavals.. it is the history of the channel and many famous painting cover it from the landing of Huguenots at dover or the landing of the Belgians at folkstone

landing of the Huguenots
pixels.com...
landing of the Belgians
artuk.org...

and people can be grateful that unlike others the dailynail has repeats the same as its easy to track headlines back pre ww1 and ww2 on the nature of migrant landings fleeing the coming wars..

the little ships tell us how bad not just the world is but how dire the real situation is even just across the channel..

the last time the young men made up the kings most loyal enemy aliens..
www.goodreads.com...

a reply to: Soloprotocol

I understand the motivation and reasoning why most of the migrants are trying to get here.
And I do indeed sympathise.

A truly long term solution to the problem requires such a drastic and radical change to the global economy and how we as a species interact with each other that I suspect it'll remain a problem well after I've passed.

In the meantime we do what we can do....and we have to be realistic and practical.
And we absolutely have to put our own house in order first.

Nearly every single country these migrants pass through before they try to gain entry here are more than happy to pass the 'burden' on to the next country along the way.
And so they end up on the western shores of France who are more than keen to pass them over to us.

Then we have the FACT that the UK is such an appealing prospect for these migrants because UK laws and benefits etc are far better than the vast majority of countries and the Britsh people are far more welcoming and understanding than most.

Now I get it that all the UK haters - at home and abroad - hate that fact and will try any amount of spin to detract from that....but it doesn't make it any less true.

The reality is that like all countries we have laws that govern immigration and those seeking asylum.
Those laws have to be enforced.
Now we can debate the morality of those laws till the cows come home but that will never change.

a reply to: gortex

Our continued membership of the European court system allows them to dictate what we can and can't do to secure our border , something that needs serious consideration going forward.

So, in reality, you're still in the EU.

You can leave, so long as you continue to observe all the rules.

"You can check out anytime you like...but you can never leave." Eagles-Hotel California.