leaked documents ukrainian army about finished.

originally posted by: sg1642
If those documents are authentic then those are staggering casualty figures. The US lost roughly 375,000 killed or wounded in Vietnam for comparison. This is a matter of months in this case, not years

There isn't anything 'true' about it, even russian media has started to prepare their population for losing their war in the past few days.

Unless the madman decides to hurl nukes, russia no longer has the ability to defeat Ukraine and there are subtle signs that it might be even worse than that for russia right now.

Russia holds well over 100,000 square kilometers in Ukraine.

Ukraine gains a few kilometers and the mainstream is dancing.

Reality is, Russia didn’t fully mobilize and declare war.

Yet, holds a massive swath of land. Against all the BILLIONS (Biden bucks) thrown in there/military gear from other NATO countries etc.

Don’t. believe. everything. you. see. on. the. media.

Collaborate your own judgment on the actual situation at hand from both sides.

originally posted by: Imhere
Russia holds well over 100,000 square kilometers in Ukraine.

Ukraine gains a few kilometers and the mainstream is dancing.

Reality is, Russia didn’t fully mobilize and declare war.

Yet, holds a massive swath of land. Against all the BILLIONS (Biden bucks) thrown in there/military gear from other NATO countries etc.

Don’t. believe. everything. you. see. on. the. media.

Collaborate your own judgment on the actual situation at hand from both sides.

Are you unaware that there is geo located footage of flag raisings in over 60 towns and villages that russia had occupied and defended in the east until just a few days ago?


Or that 20k russians trapped without access to ammo, food, fuel or water are being annihilated near Kherson?




But sure, there's still a lot of work left to do in their effort to remove russian forces from Ukrainian territory.

Perhaps we should have sent more than 20 MLRS systems?

Or that 20k russians trapped without access to ammo, food, fuel or water are being annihilated near Kherson?

Do you actually believe that, they have transport helicopters to bring in supplies such as food arms, they have had lot of ponton bridges to bring in bigger hardware, they can parachute supply containers. Kherson is a stick away from Crimea main bases by air.

But sure, there's still a lot of work left to do in their effort to remove russian forces from Ukrainian territory.

The counteroffensive has failed, it is not their territory it's stolen land
I don't agree with the Russians in other cases either, because they stole land too in other parts like Moldova but nothing compares to Ucraine, they not only stole land from Russia, but from Poland a huge chunk, they stole land from Romania like lots of land, they stole land from Slovakia and Hungary. It's the over inflatable country that inflated it's self over night with Stolen Identity "the ancient ukrainians that don't exist"

It's why some countries who are borderign Ukraine, tho they are Nato have closed the borders to weapons flow in Ukraine and are only allowing in civilians who flee from the war but are not taking part into supplying weapons to Ukraine because Ukraine was nasty to them during WWII and after WW II , after the war finished and they also got robed with their lands because Ucraine gained these lands as a Soviet State, the Ucrainians had labor camps and were a horrible entity with everyone who went to the gulag Ucrainian version.

So just because they were Soviets they gain land from others, it's only fair now since the soviet union is no more to give these lands back to their rightful owners, would you not agree if it's fair and square. At least Russia is asking back for it's lands.

I love Poland, a sado masochist, plans behind close doors to re-take lands from Ucraine, but in public view is the main ally and ships most of the weapons to them as a "friend" isn't that wonderful Poland, why don't you close your border to these shmucccsssss and put your cards on the table to show how you really feel.

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a reply to: Afinity99


russia isn't even flying ground support missions in that area anymore, because they get shot down every time they try.

The only GLOC remaining is 1 small ferry that russia protects by forcing civilians onto it at the same time as russian military equipment, and that 1 ferry isn't nearly enough to supply 20k+ russian soldiers whose ammo keeps exploding.

Or to evacuate them.





That's before we get to Izyum (2nd largest russian HQ in thr east) being completely cut off from reinforcements and supplies now, while Kupiansk (largest russian HQ in east) is under heavy fire as I type this.




russia's only response in the past few days (besides retreating soldiers) was to launch missiles at civilian metro areas far from the front lines and commit white phosphorus war crimes against rapidly advancing Ukrainians near Izyum.

a reply to: MidnightWatcher

They fly from Crimea all the time, they fly in supplies. Ucrainians had advanced a few steps towards Cherson and most of the times they have been setback, they don't control the area at all, the main stream media is ling to you.

This is because you listen to news like.

1000 Russians killed with one single bomb.
Ucrainian with his riffle takes out 10 russian soldeiers with one shot.
Ucrainian fighter plane obliverates 1000 tanks at once.

If you really believe this then yes they are winning, as stated by me on CNN they are on the outskirts of Moscow ready to set fire to it and leave it in ruins.

originally posted by: Afinity99
a reply to: MidnightWatcher

They fly from Crimea all the time, they fly in supplies. Ucrainians had advanced a few steps towards Cherson and most of the times they have been setback, they don't control the area at all, the main stream media is ling to you.

russians don't fly into the Kherson area west of the river anymore, and haven't been for a few weeks.

They tried a few sorties again a couple days ago and all were shot down again, including the flagship of your airborne EW fleet.

Nothing since that.





Is msm saying that Ukrainians are controlling a lot of new land near Kherson?

I wouldn't know.

But I do know that nobody here has made any such claims, so why the strawman?

Is msm saying that Ukrainians are controlling a lot of new land near Kherson?

I wouldn't know.

But I do know that nobody here has made any such claims, so why the strawman?

It is, it's in full swing regarding this, inflating numbers, taking one side story only success of Ucraine, when Russia has Success on the front you don't hear it. They never report on Ucrainian casulties, how many they die what is going on, they only report when a Russian tank gets blown up or something of the sort.

It's a bias news network.

They had advanced and taken this much land, next day the ruskies bomb the hell out of it and they don't report on it, because it's a Russian tactic to let you gain land then obliverate the area.

In fact no major gains has been made by either side and it's like a stale mate, and the Russians are liking this because time is running out and the winter is coming. The Russians are favoured in the winter , the winter is a blessing for them from a tactical perspective.

It's why the counter offensives, because they are running out of time and winter is coming. They know the winter is not their friend, the ucrainians know this.

This is the main Russian objective, it's their special operation main goal, to take back these lands, not to take Kiev, that is second and temporary for them, they failed at that, at "de-natzification" Ucrainians are large in numbers.

The Russians reached their goal in proportion of 80%

Look at the map.

ichef.bbci.co.uk...

It's their initial goal and they almost got it all, this was their plan, it was a limited operation of 140.000 troops.

If winter comes everything will stall in the cold winter of Ukraine, and now the russians have time to reposition AA , Pansirs, S batteries and create a liniar network of anti airial defence, they can't do it now because things are still brewing , fights and so on, it's hard to reposition things now and set everything in it's place. But once calmness sets in and it's very cold the russians can do it in the winter.

For them Winter is like summer time for you at the beach with ice cream and pop corn, they can operate in it and set things, but to go offensive is hard in the winter, but not to position things inside the territory you control.

The Uncrainians know this, this is why they have launched a counter offensive because they are hopping to get some land before winter hits and have a foothold on things so Russians don't get it their way during the winter.

I think this was a dumb move from the Ucrainian side and very risky, it's also why they risk because of this factor.

Once the AA network has been set in place it is very efficent, they don't have it, they need to build an array a deffencive anti arial network and for now this is not possible because fighting is going out and where ever you step there is danger. But in the winter troops stall and giants move, giants on big wheals.

Factors during the winter.

You have more stuff on you and move harder, your clothing , military Jacket, you weight more and get tired faster during the winter.
Lower visibility during the winter and a state of inhibition, your senses are sleeper.
Night sets early during winter when you take guard rather than offensives, it is very hard to move masses of troops during the night in the winter on foot.

Body gives off heat waves giving your position easy with infra red scaners, you will glow in the dark on the radar in the winter, your body will.
This is because the different contrast between you and winter, you are hot and winter is cold.

There is such thing as a anti personel radar to detect people coming at a distance of kilometers in the open field, in the winter they will glow like red apples fallen from the tree. This huge red dots like the red dots you have in your cheeks.


Blizards and snow dunes makes advancement hard , you can't even run in such conditions, your thick clothing and extra gear will pull you down, you are not as agile as during the summer.

a reply to: Afinity99


You are incorrect on 'controlling', but also incorrect on 'advancing', especially in the Kharkiv area where the Ukrainian spearhead is already very deep into what was the russian rear until a few days ago.

russia doesn't appear to be capable of accurately 'bombing' these spearhead forces in the north, but they are trying.




russia is not providing effective airborne ground support or supply in the Kherson area west of the river (where 20k+ russian soldiers are trapped), and rarely even try anymore.

It appears that russian leaders have realized that these soldiers are already lost.

Their commanders fled several weeks ago.

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: Afinity99


You are incorrect on 'controlling', but also incorrect on 'advancing', especially in the Kharkiv area where the Ukrainian spearhead is already very deep into what was the russian rear until a few days ago.

russia doesn't appear to be capable of accurately 'bombing' these spearhead forces in the north, but they are trying.




russia is not providing effective airborne ground support or supply in the Kherson area west of the river (where 20k+ russian soldiers are trapped), and rarely even try anymore.

It appears that russian leaders have realized that these soldiers are already lost.

Their commanders fled several weeks ago.

They are 50 square km in, this is nothing. The Russians left without a fight because it's not part of their objective, they just left the towns because those are indeed pro Ucrainian.

50 square Km is a very small patch, it's a Russian tactic to let them take land so they can spread out and become thinner, in the heart of Don Bas they cannot penetrate because all the people there are pro Russian, and once they try to penetrate they will encounter the veteran separatists militia people of the don bas, they will have to concentrate troops there and then leave all this space, void where the russian army comes in back, from the back and masacres them. It happened before.

It's just Russian strategy.
They cannot concetrate troops and will spread out, if they concentrate then they leave voids in the back to retake don bas and the russians come from the back while they fight the separatists.

russia is not providing effective airborne ground support or supply in the Kherson area west of the river (where 20k+ russian soldiers are trapped), and rarely even try anymore.

It appears that russian leaders have realized that these soldiers are already lost.

Their commanders fled several weeks ago.

I would say otherwise, that they probally got all the supplies, and the city of Kerson is providing everything they need as food go's and other needs for first aid.

They probaly already stalked up and are waiting for the winter to set it.

originally posted by: Afinity99

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: Afinity99


You are incorrect on 'controlling', but also incorrect on 'advancing', especially in the Kharkiv area where the Ukrainian spearhead is already very deep into what was the russian rear until a few days ago.

russia doesn't appear to be capable of accurately 'bombing' these spearhead forces in the north, but they are trying.




russia is not providing effective airborne ground support or supply in the Kherson area west of the river (where 20k+ russian soldiers are trapped), and rarely even try anymore.

It appears that russian leaders have realized that these soldiers are already lost.

Their commanders fled several weeks ago.

They are 50 square km in, this is nothing. The Russians left without a fight because it's not part of their objective, they just left the towns because those are indeed pro Ucrainian.

50 square Km is a very small patch, it's a Russian tactic to let them take land so they can spread out and become thinner, in the heart of Don Bas they cannot penetrate because all the people there are pro Russian, and once they try to penetrate they will encounter the veteran separatists militia people of the don bas, they will have to concentrate troops there and then leave all this space, void where the russian army comes in back, from the back and masacres them. It happened before.

It's just Russian strategy.

It's well over 1000 square km recaptured or surrounded and cut off already in the Kherson area alone, the 50 km report (which is vero old now) was the deepest point of the advance at that point, not the sq km.

Ukrainian spearhead elements have reached the western edge of Kupiansk, crossed the river a little south of there, and have another force quickly advancing on Izyum, which is now completely cut off from supplies and reinforcements.

I make no predictions on how long it will take to remove russians from Izyum, but Ukraine should reach the edge of the city in the next 12-24 hours.

Since reporting is delayed quite a bit, they might be at the edge of Izyum already.

That is where the front lines south of Kherson are right now, and russia is racing reinforcements there right now by convoy, at least one of which was already destroyed by Ukrainians advancing from the seperate northern front.

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

originally posted by: Afinity99

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: Afinity99


You are incorrect on 'controlling', but also incorrect on 'advancing', especially in the Kharkiv area where the Ukrainian spearhead is already very deep into what was the russian rear until a few days ago.

russia doesn't appear to be capable of accurately 'bombing' these spearhead forces in the north, but they are trying.




russia is not providing effective airborne ground support or supply in the Kherson area west of the river (where 20k+ russian soldiers are trapped), and rarely even try anymore.

It appears that russian leaders have realized that these soldiers are already lost.

Their commanders fled several weeks ago.

They are 50 square km in, this is nothing. The Russians left without a fight because it's not part of their objective, they just left the towns because those are indeed pro Ucrainian.

50 square Km is a very small patch, it's a Russian tactic to let them take land so they can spread out and become thinner, in the heart of Don Bas they cannot penetrate because all the people there are pro Russian, and once they try to penetrate they will encounter the veteran separatists militia people of the don bas, they will have to concentrate troops there and then leave all this space, void where the russian army comes in back, from the back and masacres them. It happened before.

It's just Russian strategy.

It's well over 1000 square km recaptured or surrounded and cut off already in the Kherson area alone, the 50 km report (which is vero old now) was the deepest point of the advance at that point, not the sq km.

Ukrainian spearhead elements have reached the western edge of Kupiansk, crossed the river a little south of there, and have another force quickly advancing on Izyum, which is now completely cut off from supplies and reinforcements.

I make no predictions on how long it will take to remove russians from Izyum, but Ukraine should reach the edge of the city in the next 12-24 hours.

Since reporting is delayed quite a bit, they might be at the edge of Izyum already.

That is where the front lines south of Kherson are right now, and russia is racing reinforcements there right now by convoy, at least one of which was already destroyed by Ukrainians advancing from the seperate northern front.

The lands you talk about in the north have been given away by the Russians, they left them without a fight, this is why the easy gain. They talk about it on no bias talk host shows and indeed the russians left the towns and there are a number of towns, I don't know 20, 30 towns taken because the population there is predominant Ucrainian and it was held by the Russians as only a strategic temporary holdout to make Ucrainians spread out and try to retake lands.

Spread thin before the winter and then what, regroup, by spreading thin you are wasting time.
You cannot go in the heart of the don bas you have to regroup and that takes time.


To hold all these villages you have to have troops stationed there, if you remove them from there the russians will come back and retake it.

I will post this map again dating from 1730.
The name Don Cosacks appear, a mix of the Don people and Cosacks.
It's the land of the Don people and they get to decide, not Ucraine that stole the land from them.

If we can't understand each other then I take my stuff and I leave.
upload.wikimedia.org...


It sates "territory of don cosacks" meaning it belongs to the people of Don, not the Ucrainians.
In this land you can clearly see names such as donnetts and danilof bojarak.

Since it's their old land, they get to decide where to go with it.
It's pointless these people will fight to the last man against Ucraine, Vicious Militia.

Ucraine will never have these lands back because it's not their lands. It does not belong to Zelensky the Armpit.

a reply to: Afinity99


I'm well aware of that source.

It's close enough to being up to date to demonstrate exactly what I claimed.

Ukrainians are on the western edge of Kupiansk, have crossed the river south of there to control the bridges, and are rapidly advancing towards a now completely cut off Izyum.

Note: russia is still flying choppers in this area where the terrain is more favorable to them, but other than that Izyum no longer has any connections to the rest of russia's forces. Ukraine controls the roads and bridges on all sides of this region up to the river now.

Other than the choppers, these Izyum troops are now just as trapped as the russians west of the river near Kherson.




That is not the definition of a 'failed' counter attack.

there is alwas a risk if drawn into such things in 39 the French gov said Britain was a dead nation walking, that it had already lost to Hitler.. the problem with these things is you really never know until it happens... the same as looking at military specs to decide the outcome of any given conflict as only real proof is in the real world.

so I take all claims with a pinch of salt until it happens..

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: Afinity99


I'm well aware of that source.

It's close enough to being up to date to demonstrate exactly what I claimed.

Ukrainians are on the western edge of Kupiansk, have crossed the river south of there to control the bridges, and are rapidly advancing towards a now completely cut off Izyum.

Note: russia is still flying choppers in this area where the terrain is more favorable to them, but other than that Izyum no longer has any connections to the rest of russia's forces. Ukraine controls the roads and bridges on all sides of this region up to the river now.

Other than the choppers, these Izyum troops are now just as trapped as the russians west of the river near Kherson.




That is not the definition of a 'failed' counter attack.

Give it a week or a month and you will se things will not change much, they don't have the penetration force because the Militia of don bas + Russian army represents a huge number. The militia is maybe bigger than the russian army in numbers, Ucrainians don't have the man power to take all this land.

Each year their hatred towards Ucraine grew.
en.wikipedia.org...

In March 2015, the estimated manpower of the separatists rose to 30,000 – 35,000 personnel.[72]

On 20 May 2015 the leadership of the Federal State of Novorossiya announced the termination of the confederation 'project'[73][74] but the United Armed Forces was retained as the joint armed service of the DPR and LPR.[75]

The Ukrainian government in mid-2015 claimed there were about 42,500 fighters on the separatists' side, which include 9,000 Russian soldiers.[76]

So there were 35.000 in 015 and by mid 015 there was already 42.000.

It's them the separatists plus the russian army, it's a huge number of around 200.000 men.
You can only get a huge number on the separatist side if the people that own that land truly hate your guts for what you did to them.

It's an estimated number, they could be well over 100.000 with ease . Rumors is that Russians are arming them with ww II rifles because they are so many of them there is not enough assault rifles to go around.

So mostly everyone is a separatist in the heart of Don, but were just talking about the ones who are part of the armed forced of that region.

a reply to: Afinity99

I'd have though the timeframe is now more in the region of 5, 10 or 20 years for this conflict though for the wider one the outcome might come through the various crises this winter throws up..