The Amazon jungle is man made

originally posted by: just4fun
a reply to: Hanslune

So where are they? You attempt to ignore my question and then tried to ask me another question failed. I will continue to ask you this same question until you answer it - or run away.

I said it was more advanced civilization of humans not aliens then we are today.

That would mean everything would be digital

then you have the 6000 years between the Younger Dryas and the Sumerians and Egyptians

Thats alot of years for everything to be lost especially if the world is flooded and on fire

But...it wasn't flooded and on fire. Do you believe everything people tell you to believe without evidence?

You obviously don't know squat about archaeology and how evidence survives. In that time period the following cultured lived in the Nile valley prior to the Egyptians becoming organized and developing a civilization:

Contents

1 Paleolithic
1.1 Wadi Halfa
1.2 Aterian industry
1.3 Khormusan industry
1.4 Late Paleolithic
2 Mesolithic
2.1 Halfan and Kubbaniyan culture
2.2 Sebilian culture
2.3 Qadan culture
2.4 Harifian culture
3 Neolithic
3.1 Lower Egypt
3.1.1 Faiyum A culture
3.1.2 Merimde culture
3.1.3 El Omari culture
3.1.4 Maadi culture
3.1.5 Gallery
3.2 Upper Egypt
3.2.1 Nabta Playa
3.2.2 Tasian culture
3.2.3 Badarian culture
3.2.4 Naqada culture
3.2.4.1 Amratian culture (Naqada I)
3.2.4.2 Gerzean culture (Naqada II)
3.2.4.3 Protodynastic Period (Naqada III)

So, somehow in some magical way the invisible civilization was wiped completely out at the same time the above cultures all survived and left hundreds if not thousands of pieces of evidence - as did every other culture all over the world......

Please explain

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: just4fun

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: just4fun
a reply to: Hanslune

So you think they would depict themselves building a small POS table but not the great pyramid.

If you believe that you are the fool. By far

So, you think the people who built the pyramid had no language, no images and no habitations - if you believe that you must be a far greater fool.

lol

How do you explain that there isn't a single piece of art or language from these other folks you insist built the pyramids.....

Completely lost and destroyed for ever.

I claim they didnt depict themselves doing it because they didnt do it

A civilization before them did it that was completely destroyed

Which explains the 30 000 years of water erosion on the sphinx.

So, every single thing was destroyed - wow that's some desperate make believe - if everything was destroyed how do you know they existed?........crickets

Oh wait someone told you believe that and you do without any supporting evidence.......It's always very funny when a fringe tries the "show me the Egyptian plans or depictions of the pyramid or it means someone else made it", then you ask them if that same restriction applies to the invisible civilization they were told that built it ----- hilarious...

By the way the first building plans we have are from the 9th century AD
The Plan of St. Gall, is one of the oldest known surviving architectural plans. Some historians consider this 9th century drawing as the very beginning of the history of blueprints. Mysteriously, the monastery depicted in the drawing was never actually built.
www.stgallplan.org...

I know depict themselves sitting around a fire and smoking a flower but not building the Great Pyramid.

Generations it would have taken thats generations of authors and stone carvers and artists watching it get built every day of their life and yet No depictions no inscriptions

Thats sounds ridiculous

originally posted by: just4fun

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: just4fun

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: just4fun
a reply to: Hanslune

So you think they would depict themselves building a small POS table but not the great pyramid.

If you believe that you are the fool. By far

So, you think the people who built the pyramid had no language, no images and no habitations - if you believe that you must be a far greater fool.

lol

How do you explain that there isn't a single piece of art or language from these other folks you insist built the pyramids.....

Completely lost and destroyed for ever.

I claim they didnt depict themselves doing it because they didnt do it

A civilization before them did it that was completely destroyed

Which explains the 30 000 years of water erosion on the sphinx.

So, every single thing was destroyed - wow that's some desperate make believe - if everything was destroyed how do you know they existed?........crickets

Oh wait someone told you believe that and you do without any supporting evidence.......It's always very funny when a fringe tries the "show me the Egyptian plans or depictions of the pyramid or it means someone else made it", then you ask them if that same restriction applies to the invisible civilization they were told that built it ----- hilarious...

By the way the first building plans we have are from the 9th century AD
The Plan of St. Gall, is one of the oldest known surviving architectural plans. Some historians consider this 9th century drawing as the very beginning of the history of blueprints. Mysteriously, the monastery depicted in the drawing was never actually built.
www.stgallplan.org...

I know depict themselves sitting around a fire and smoking a flower but not building the Great Pyramid.

Generations it would have taken thats generations of authors and stone carvers and artists watching it get built every day of their life and yet No depictions no inscriptions

Thats sounds ridiculous

The same criteria holds true for your idea.

So where's your evidence for an earlier construction?

Just a reminder, everyone leaves trash ...

originally posted by: Mike27

originally posted by: just4fun

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: just4fun

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: just4fun
a reply to: Hanslune

So you think they would depict themselves building a small POS table but not the great pyramid.

If you believe that you are the fool. By far

So, you think the people who built the pyramid had no language, no images and no habitations - if you believe that you must be a far greater fool.

lol

How do you explain that there isn't a single piece of art or language from these other folks you insist built the pyramids.....

Completely lost and destroyed for ever.

I claim they didnt depict themselves doing it because they didnt do it

A civilization before them did it that was completely destroyed

Which explains the 30 000 years of water erosion on the sphinx.

So, every single thing was destroyed - wow that's some desperate make believe - if everything was destroyed how do you know they existed?........crickets

Oh wait someone told you believe that and you do without any supporting evidence.......It's always very funny when a fringe tries the "show me the Egyptian plans or depictions of the pyramid or it means someone else made it", then you ask them if that same restriction applies to the invisible civilization they were told that built it ----- hilarious...

By the way the first building plans we have are from the 9th century AD
The Plan of St. Gall, is one of the oldest known surviving architectural plans. Some historians consider this 9th century drawing as the very beginning of the history of blueprints. Mysteriously, the monastery depicted in the drawing was never actually built.
www.stgallplan.org...

I know depict themselves sitting around a fire and smoking a flower but not building the Great Pyramid.

Generations it would have taken thats generations of authors and stone carvers and artists watching it get built every day of their life and yet No depictions no inscriptions

Thats sounds ridiculous

The same criteria holds true for your idea.

So where's your evidence for an earlier construction?

Just a reminder, everyone leaves trash ...

lol I have been saying the evidence is long gone for both.

The same very advanced people who actually built the great pyramid made the amazon jungle

There is no evidence just like there is absolutely no evidence the Egyptians built the pyramids

The evidence is either all long gone or being covered up

But does it sound reasonable at all to you that the Egyptians who had a written language and have hieroglyphs and art all over Egypt would not have one piece pertaining to the Great Pyramid one of the 7 wonders of the world?

originally posted by: just4fun

... there is absolutely no evidence the Egyptians built the pyramids

The evidence is either all long gone or being covered up

But does it sound reasonable at all to you that the Egyptians who had a written language and have hieroglyphs and art all over Egypt would not have one piece pertaining to the Great Pyramid one of the 7 wonders of the world?

1. There were scrawled crew-names (that happened to include the name of Khufu) inside the relieving-chambers; and:

2. There was the logbook of Merer describing how Tura limestone was transported to Giza to Aket Khufu, the Great Pyramid.

originally posted by: just4fun

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: just4fun

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: just4fun
a reply to: Hanslune

So you think they would depict themselves building a small POS table but not the great pyramid.

If you believe that you are the fool. By far

So, you think the people who built the pyramid had no language, no images and no habitations - if you believe that you must be a far greater fool.

lol

How do you explain that there isn't a single piece of art or language from these other folks you insist built the pyramids.....

Completely lost and destroyed for ever.

I claim they didnt depict themselves doing it because they didnt do it

A civilization before them did it that was completely destroyed

Which explains the 30 000 years of water erosion on the sphinx.

So, every single thing was destroyed - wow that's some desperate make believe - if everything was destroyed how do you know they existed?........crickets

Oh wait someone told you believe that and you do without any supporting evidence.......It's always very funny when a fringe tries the "show me the Egyptian plans or depictions of the pyramid or it means someone else made it", then you ask them if that same restriction applies to the invisible civilization they were told that built it ----- hilarious...

By the way the first building plans we have are from the 9th century AD
The Plan of St. Gall, is one of the oldest known surviving architectural plans. Some historians consider this 9th century drawing as the very beginning of the history of blueprints. Mysteriously, the monastery depicted in the drawing was never actually built.
www.stgallplan.org...

I know depict themselves sitting around a fire and smoking a flower but not building the Great Pyramid.

Generations it would have taken thats generations of authors and stone carvers and artists watching it get built every day of their life and yet No depictions no inscriptions

Thats sounds ridiculous

Aye, you'd have thought they'd have taken at least a few photos - if only in black and white?

Mind, thousands of years later, where is the evidence the Romans built Hadrian's Wall or the Coliseum? Again, not one single picture of them doing so!

a reply to: just4fun

Ancient societies don't mystify me. Not even their allegedly impossible block moving or other accomplishments. Seems more the arrogance of today.

Obelisks. Romans and Egyptians moved those everywhere. Caligula moved a 330 tonne one, and later Constantine moved one even larger. From Cairo to Rome both times. And I'm betting the technology wasn't exactly new then.

Don't give them enough credit. Same old simple machines too. Lever, pulley, incline, and wedge.

Doesn't surprise me in the slightest that amazon civiliizations changed the topsoil. Evidence of exactly that goes back at least 4500 years. Harvard article cited 5500.

www.sciencedaily.com...#:~:text=This%20provided%20evidence%20that%20maize,this%20part%20of%20the%20Amazon.

This provided evidence that maize, sweet potato, manioc and squash were farmed as early as 4,500 years ago in this part of the Amazon. Farmers increased the amount of food they grew by improving the nutrient content of the soil through burning and the addition of manure and food waste. Fish and turtles from rivers were also a key part of the diets at the time.

The findings explain why forests around current archaeological sites in the Amazon have a higher concentration of edible plants.

Dr Yoshi Maezumi, from the University of Exeter, who led the study, said: "People thousands of years ago developed a nutrient rich soil called Amazonian Dark Earths (ADEs). They farmed in a way which involved continuous enrichment and reusing of the soil, rather than expanding the amount of land they clear cut for farming. This was a much more sustainable way of farming."

And good for them for figuring out that dredging muck from the river and using compost makes for sustainable farming near those water sources.

a reply to: just4fun

the entire forest isnt man made animals helped by dropping seeds from their poop
so mankind had a helping hand.

I reckon it can be done again repeatedly all across the earth

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: just4fun
a reply to: Hanslune

So where are they? You attempt to ignore my question and then tried to ask me another question failed. I will continue to ask you this same question until you answer it - or run away.

I said it was more advanced civilization of humans not aliens then we are today.

That would mean everything would be digital

then you have the 6000 years between the Younger Dryas and the Sumerians and Egyptians

Thats alot of years for everything to be lost especially if the world is flooded and on fire

But...it wasn't flooded and on fire. Do you believe everything people tell you to believe without evidence?

You obviously don't know squat about archaeology and how evidence survives. In that time period the following cultured lived in the Nile valley prior to the Egyptians becoming organized and developing a civilization:

Contents

1 Paleolithic
1.1 Wadi Halfa
1.2 Aterian industry
1.3 Khormusan industry
1.4 Late Paleolithic
2 Mesolithic
2.1 Halfan and Kubbaniyan culture
2.2 Sebilian culture
2.3 Qadan culture
2.4 Harifian culture
3 Neolithic
3.1 Lower Egypt
3.1.1 Faiyum A culture
3.1.2 Merimde culture
3.1.3 El Omari culture
3.1.4 Maadi culture
3.1.5 Gallery
3.2 Upper Egypt
3.2.1 Nabta Playa
3.2.2 Tasian culture
3.2.3 Badarian culture
3.2.4 Naqada culture
3.2.4.1 Amratian culture (Naqada I)
3.2.4.2 Gerzean culture (Naqada II)
3.2.4.3 Protodynastic Period (Naqada III)

So, somehow in some magical way the invisible civilization was wiped completely out at the same time the above cultures all survived and left hundreds if not thousands of pieces of evidence - as did every other culture all over the world......

Please explain

Are you one of those who actually believe, that a pyramid is somehow a logical conclusion to construct for a group of human beings?

That people and cultures are not connected to each other?

China,Egypt,South America, the gaps filled with worked stone that marks the equinox, dolmens. its a global paved road.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: just4fun

This what Col. Percy Harrison Fawcett, used to argue about during his presentations, that it was more advance ancient and old civilizations within the Amazonian that people realized, and he got laughed at.

Now even some UFO supporters believe that some of this ancient and abandon cities have links to extraterrestrial beings.

Fawcett was a bit of a clown.
But even if he was some kind of serious scientific researcher, in the period when he was stomping around the Amazon there was no way at all to tell how old any relics were.
The C14 isotope itself wasn't even discovered until 1940. Fawcett's heyday was 20 years before that.

Harte

originally posted by: crayzeed
If you'd all care to look there are many lidar images of the Amazon showing numerous large cities. The Amazon jungle is man made is the biggest misnomer. Any thinking idiot knows you can't have large cities in an area without the means of feeding this population. THAT is what the Amazon was. Very vast areas of productive farm land. Where that civilization went is the main problem. HENSE, civilization left and nature in the form of the jungle took over the land. That is why the amazon jungle is so verdant, not through mans work but by mans leaving the fertile area.

The LIDAR images you're referring to are in Bolivia.
The supposed anthropogenic soil was found in Brazil.
The soil is estimated to extend to perhaps 3.2 % of the Amazon Rain forest.

Harte

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
"Beaver" aged.

Beveraged?
Not yet, but if you're buying I'm in.

Harte

originally posted by: just4fun
a reply to: Brotherman

I thought it was a great question when you asked why isnt there any historical record of it. If they could do this surely they could write and keep records. I agree.

But the same question about the Egyptians holds just as much water.

We know they had a written language and they carved it in stone so it would last forever.

They depicted themselves doing everything

except anything to do with building, carving or transporting those massive structures that had to take decades to complete

They would have absolutely recorded that unless they didnt build it.

Maybe when they restarted they carved everything into stone so it would last forever because their history was lost and they wanted it to last a millennia

You are parrotting fringe con men.
If you think "they depicted themselves doing everything," then show me their depictions of them building any of their temples.
Or are you gonna say those were already there as well?

Harte

originally posted by: rounda

originally posted by: just4fun

originally posted by: rounda

originally posted by: just4fun
a reply to: Brotherman

the claim made has nothing, NOTHING to support it. Whats next, aliens helped terraform the amazon?
Or something else happened in nature that we don't understand?

It has the layer of man made soil under it.

Alternatively, massive forest fires could have swept through the area, and the undergrowth could have been covered in ash from the trees, which would have caused the undergrowth to smolder... creating biochar.

www.rit.edu...

Natural biochar occurs when vegetation is left to smolder in layers on the forest floor following a forest fire.

Which would explain, quite easily, how bichar is found in such a large area.

Or they knew how to do controlled burns.

That is one massive forest fire.. Or massive controlled burns which would take alot of communication

2.5 million square miles

Its easier to believe that than people did it?

Well considering the largest forest fire in modern history was 47 million acres (73 square miles) in Siberia, in 2003... yes, it is much easier to believe that a forest fire they didn't have the technology to extinguish caused natural biochar rather than indigenous peoples creating and then spreading 2.5 million miles of dirt.

That dirt is estimated (not found) to cover about 3.2% of the Amazon rainforest.
3.2% doesn't create such a forest.

Harte

Right.

Okay.

Where are the aliens?

originally posted by: just4fun

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: just4fun
a reply to: Hanslune

So you think they would depict themselves building a small POS table but not the great pyramid.

If you believe that you are the fool. By far

So, you think the people who built the pyramid had no language, no images and no habitations - if you believe that you must be a far greater fool.

lol

How do you explain that there isn't a single piece of art or language from these other folks you insist built the pyramids.....

Completely lost and destroyed for ever.

I claim they didnt depict themselves doing it because they didnt do it

A civilization before them did it that was completely destroyed

Which explains the 30 000 years of water erosion on the sphinx.

Did the Egyptians build the Hathor Temple in Dendera?
Guess not, since they didn't depict themselves building it.

However, it was built around 380 BC.
But, pics or it didn't happen, eh?

Harte

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: rounda

originally posted by: just4fun

originally posted by: rounda

originally posted by: just4fun
a reply to: Brotherman

the claim made has nothing, NOTHING to support it. Whats next, aliens helped terraform the amazon?
Or something else happened in nature that we don't understand?

It has the layer of man made soil under it.

Alternatively, massive forest fires could have swept through the area, and the undergrowth could have been covered in ash from the trees, which would have caused the undergrowth to smolder... creating biochar.

www.rit.edu...

Natural biochar occurs when vegetation is left to smolder in layers on the forest floor following a forest fire.

Which would explain, quite easily, how bichar is found in such a large area.

Or they knew how to do controlled burns.

That is one massive forest fire.. Or massive controlled burns which would take alot of communication

2.5 million square miles

Its easier to believe that than people did it?

Well considering the largest forest fire in modern history was 47 million acres (73 square miles) in Siberia, in 2003... yes, it is much easier to believe that a forest fire they didn't have the technology to extinguish caused natural biochar rather than indigenous peoples creating and then spreading 2.5 million miles of dirt.

That dirt is estimated (not found) to cover about 3.2% of the Amazon rainforest.
3.2% doesn't create such a forest.

Harte

Even more reason to believe it was due to natural causes... that's about 30 million acres more than the Siberian Taiga fires in 2003. Perfectly reasonable to believe a drought year caused severe fire conditions and a massive forest fire swept through the area. Heck, could have happened over half a decade or a decade even.

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: just4fun

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: just4fun
a reply to: Hanslune

So you think they would depict themselves building a small POS table but not the great pyramid.

If you believe that you are the fool. By far

So, you think the people who built the pyramid had no language, no images and no habitations - if you believe that you must be a far greater fool.

lol

How do you explain that there isn't a single piece of art or language from these other folks you insist built the pyramids.....

Completely lost and destroyed for ever.

I claim they didnt depict themselves doing it because they didnt do it

A civilization before them did it that was completely destroyed

Which explains the 30 000 years of water erosion on the sphinx.

Did the Egyptians build the Hathor Temple in Dendera?
Guess not, since they didn't depict themselves building it.

However, it was built around 380 BC.
But, pics or it didn't happen, eh?

Harte

Ok man they never thought to depict it or write about it even though they had a written language

I bet you believe the pyramids are actually tombs even though no dead body has been found in one

Keep on believing the lies

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: just4fun
a reply to: Hanslune

So you think they would depict themselves building a small POS table but not the great pyramid.

If you believe that you are the fool. By far

So, you think the people who built the pyramid had no language, no images and no habitations - if you believe that you must be a far greater fool.

That, or they didnt write in stone. I think by far, only a small percentage of what has been written throughout history was ever inscribed into a permanent or lasting medium.

Almost all we know about Sumeria comes from little clay tablets, because they just so happened to like writing on a substance that can survive thousands of years in a dry environment.

By contrast, our cultures favorite way to record data is to save them on a hard drive. Most hard drives only hold data for maybe 10 years after you last plug them into a power source.

How do you explain that there isn't a single piece of art or language from these other folks you insist built the pyramids.....

Maybe they wrote on paper?

In fact, I think the reason why we have no good details about the building of the Great Pyramid and etc is because paper or skins or something was the preferred writing method when the GP and other big pyramids were built.

The same culture 1000 years later would try to depict the process of building those pyramids in stone inscriptions and illustrations........... but they didnt actually remember how it had been done anymore by then.

""Really? Well if you feel people must record stuff show me the building plans for the Pantheon in Rome. Also show me the inscriptions and depictions made by the folks you think made the pyramids? Where is there written material and depictions of them building the pyramids?""

Exactly! and a very good point. For the AE of say 500 BC to accurately depict the manner in which the GP was built would be a more or less identical feat as for us now to depict how the Pantheon was built.

Sure they are the same culture/language/identity. But after that much time things will be forgotten, and they didnt have the printing press to help keep preserve their writings.

So where are they? You attempt to ignore my question and then tried to ask me another question failed. I will continue to ask you this same question until you answer it - or run away.

I dont think evidence in the form of preserved records is a fair requirement.

Thats like thinking nobody can ever be considered guilty of murder unless the prosecution is in possession of an actual smoking, gun.

originally posted by: Hanslune

originally posted by: just4fun
a reply to: Hanslune

So where are they? You attempt to ignore my question and then tried to ask me another question failed. I will continue to ask you this same question until you answer it - or run away.

I said it was more advanced civilization of humans not aliens then we are today.

That would mean everything would be digital

then you have the 6000 years between the Younger Dryas and the Sumerians and Egyptians

Thats alot of years for everything to be lost especially if the world is flooded and on fire

But...it wasn't flooded and on fire. Do you believe everything people tell you to believe without evidence?

You obviously don't know squat about archaeology and how evidence survives. In that time period the following cultured lived in the Nile valley prior to the Egyptians becoming organized and developing a civilization:

Contents

1 Paleolithic
1.1 Wadi Halfa
1.2 Aterian industry
1.3 Khormusan industry
1.4 Late Paleolithic
2 Mesolithic
2.1 Halfan and Kubbaniyan culture
2.2 Sebilian culture
2.3 Qadan culture
2.4 Harifian culture
3 Neolithic
3.1 Lower Egypt
3.1.1 Faiyum A culture
3.1.2 Merimde culture
3.1.3 El Omari culture
3.1.4 Maadi culture
3.1.5 Gallery
3.2 Upper Egypt
3.2.1 Nabta Playa
3.2.2 Tasian culture
3.2.3 Badarian culture
3.2.4 Naqada culture
3.2.4.1 Amratian culture (Naqada I)
3.2.4.2 Gerzean culture (Naqada II)
3.2.4.3 Protodynastic Period (Naqada III)

So, somehow in some magical way the invisible civilization was wiped completely out at the same time the above cultures all survived and left hundreds if not thousands of pieces of evidence - as did every other culture all over the world......

Please explain

We only know a little bit about those cultures, though. We know they didnt practice large scale agriculture.

But I think large scale agriculture, and the population explosion it brought, along with all the totalitarianism and periodic necessity of war, dumbed society down.

Or more precisely, it put such a huge social strain on society, having to have a population purge every couple of generations, that all the intellect that had been previously going into feats of technology and engineering, started to be channeled into coming up with complicated moral codes to allow for the necessary inequalities.

Designating a select few with specialized skills as being immune to the purges,, for example. Or deciding who will have to do all the mind numbingly boring manual labor, and making those chosen for it feel like it was somehow either fair, or "the will of god" or something.

Mountains of philosophy and story telling have gone into justifying the Malthusian Dilemma, which would never have needed to bother over back when humans were still hunting mammoth and having children at replacement levels.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

Maybe they wrote on paper?

...

In fact, I think the reason why we have no good details about the building of the Great Pyramid and etc is because paper or skins or something was the preferred writing method when the GP and other big pyramids were built. ent levels.

There exist contemporary records of the people who built the GP, and transported stone for the casing, (as mentioned here).

They wrote on stone, and papyri.

(See also Reisner, Mycerinus.)