Pelosi's Trip to Taiwan - A Possible Explanation

I put this in the AP forum for a reason: this is not about lambasting Pelosi. Many of us take issue with Pelosi, for a variety of reasons. I believe in that Pelosi's intent, in this instance, is to represent her constituents' interests by making an overture of support to Taiwan.

These two pictures and the link below support my idea.





Note the overlap between Silicon Valley and Pelosi's congressional district.

The Taiwan-Silicon Valley Connection

There are few different reasons behind why/how this connection exist.; the article above does a decent job of illuminating them.

In an nutshell:

- "Silicon Valley" is the technology incubator of the U.S., basically.
- Taiwan is the "Silicon Valley" of APAC.

Taiwan is the literal "Silicon" capital of the world, when it comes to production of microchip/integrated circuits.

There is not just an industry/business connection between the two, but there has always been a social/cultural connection that has linked the two, springing up from the technological ties. Each place has a firm basis in startup company culture, and funding, venture capital and people often move between the two places.

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It shouldn't be a surprise, then, that with such a similar and interconnected landscape between the "Silicon Valley" in the U.S. and the "Silicon Valley" in the Far East, that there is strong sentiment among many in the U.S. S.V. to support autonomy and freedom of thought and continued democratic principles in Taiwain, in opposition to what we all know the CCP stands for.

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So enter Pelosi. She is the top rep in the House of Representatives: head hancho. Speaker of the House. And her congressional district is, while not the geographic "heart" of S.V., but certainly the metropolitan capital of the region.

Pelosi, while we all know her many shortcomings, is a potential ally that supporters in S.V. are looking too, in a time of few allies and limited outlets of support in the Biden era, to represent their interests in a free and democratic Taiwan.. Yeah, Joe Biden, POTUS, "China Biden", whose son has been without dispute a key suspect in linking the Biden administration with players in the Chinese communist-controlled mainland.

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Whoa. Hold on. So is this not, on it's face, a schism between power brokers in the Democratic party?

Is vodka an alcoholic beverage?

We are, I contend, witnessing a behind the scenes clash of interests, CCP vs Taiwainese (by extension of their connections in S.V.), at the top levels the political party currently in power in D.C., spilling over into plain site. It's well-known that, beyond Biden connections to the CCP, there have been discussions, and more discussions planned, between Biden and CCP Chairman Xi to tamp down tensions between the CCP and the U.S. At least "tamp down the tensions" is the MSM description of what Biden (whom about 47% of the U.S. public thinks is still mentally "All There") and Chairman Xi are talking about in their meetings. What is REALLY being talked about can only be speculated, but...I would urge folks to step forward and admit to ANY level of comfort in having Joe "China" Biden represent our interests at the table with Xi. "China" Biden, whose son's well documented trials and tribulations are matched with documented and FACTUAL financial dealings with the CCP.

Remember when Trump's real estate and business ties with "Russia. Russia! RUSSIA!!" were the source of endless MSM articles, op-eds, and diverse dirges and laments and REEEEing from people that patronize the NYT, WaPo, cable news etc??

Hmm. Where is the similar complaining about possible leverage points, blackmail material, and conflicted interests about President Biden and China, now that we know his son has had extensive dealings with the CCP.

All of this being considered...with the alleged, tacit complicity between the CCP and the Bidens...can it not be proposed that Nancy Pelosi is acting in America's strategic interests by making this visit to Taiwain, in the face of what seems like obvious corruption and influence pedaling that links China and the Bidens?

While I think it might be tempting to actually give Pelosi a pass, and lukewarm support in this affair, and despite my obvious contempt for the "China" Bidens, and feeling that if ANYONE has the moral highground between Biden and Pelosi, it's Pelosi, I think Pelosi's visit is a poorly conceived 'token gesture' that I feel is a bad idea coming from an at least on its surface, source of good intention

I'll explain what I mean in the next post.

You're overthinking it. Pelosi wants information and thinks Taiwan can be persuaded to give up some neighborly gossip.

a reply to: TzarChasm

I actually think it's to force China's hand on the Ukraine conflict; they agree to further isolate Russia and she decides to not make the trip. Just my speculation.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

That's the first play. It won't work.

So is Pelosi "in the right" in this issue?

Maybe when it comes to her support of Taiwan vis a vis the easily inferred Biden support of the CCP, but let's think big picture.

Taiwain is about 120 miles off of mainland China.

Taiwan's share of contract chipmaking to hit 66% this year: report

o_O

I'm sorry. This arrangement, while it might have made sense in the 80's and 90's, with the abundance of resources for chip fabbing in China, and engineering expertise from various nations in the region including Taiwan, Japan, etc, it no longer "plays" and makes any sense in the modern world.

Given the major reliance the world has developed on technology and electronics, some might even term it a dependency problem...what sense does it make for the West/U.S. to continue to source a critical component of technology (microchips) from China's backyard??

IT MAKES 0 SENSE, STRATEGICALLY.

So, while I think it's admirable for the Taiwanese to cultivate free and democratic principles, and aspire to be the technological capital of APAC. IT IS BEYOND FOOLISH for the U.S. to continue to kick this strategic nightmare scenario (
CCP either overtaking or even badly damaging Taiwain's IC manufacturing capability) down the road.

The Taiwanese, for their part, have played the game brilliantly. To maintain their own autonomy they have kept close ties with mainland China's main adversary (us), and this has kept the CCP at bay for many many years. Kudos to them. But with the proximity to mainland China, and the allure of Taiwanese tech prowess to the intellectually starved CCP, it is literally only a matter of time until this tiny island becomes the fulcrum point of a regional , if not global conflict.

So, rather than take the short-term, easy path to quick gratification for her constituents, Pelosi, and ANY non-compromised U.S. politicians SHOULD NOT look to inflame the standoff between us the CCP. They should be investigating how to defuse this mess, and GUARANTEE our long-term viability as a leading integrator of IC and microchips in technological systems BY MOVING ANY U.S. CHIP INTERESTS *OUT* OF THE CCP'S BACKYARD INTO CONUS.

This is so plain as day, so obvious, so ridiculously the only play that makes sense, that only a politician, and a lousy, over the hill one like Pelosi could gum it up, and instead, launch headfirst into brinkmanship with the CCP.

So while I suspect that, on account of this situation, Pelosi is if not free of corruption, less so compromised than "China" Biden, she is still looking at the game board in a completely short-sighted, tactically clueless way, and potentially holding a match too close to fully stuffed powder keg. Maybe there is some spark of patriotism (not bowing to the CCP) in that shriveled up, antediluvian heart of hers, but we need actual BRAINS not BRAVADO, certainly not bravado from our octogenarian Speaker of the House.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
That's the first play. It won't work.

Why? It plays to China's previously stated views that sovereignty is paramount which is their take on Taiwan, it's a sovereign piece of China.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
You're overthinking it. Pelosi wants information and thinks Taiwan can be persuaded to give up some neighborly gossip.

What sort of "information" are you referring to?

Alcoholic beverage mix ideas?

Stock trading tips?

o_O

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: TzarChasm

I actually think it's to force China's hand on the Ukraine conflict; they agree to further isolate Russia and she decides to not make the trip. Just my speculation.

I hadn't thought of that; it's as valid a speculation as mine.

This could be a gambit in Ukraine. I personally wouldn't trust the CCP with ANY agreement to help in Ukraine. IMO any negotiations or shared information between us and the CCP should be considered automatically common knowledge to the Russians.

originally posted by: SleeperHasAwakened
This could be a gambit in Ukraine. I personally wouldn't trust the CCP with ANY agreement to help in Ukraine.

They wouldn't necessarily need to 'help in Ukraine', just abide by the sanctions and not materially or financially support Russia.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: TzarChasm
That's the first play. It won't work.

Why? It plays to China's previously stated views that sovereignty is paramount which is their take on Taiwan, it's a sovereign piece of China.

Sovereignty is paramount aka don't get cozy with our enemies and we won't be your enemies. Russia isn't their enemy and forcing Taiwan to pick a side complicates things. Merely sharing a cup of tea and idle chatter is a more agreeable business strategy as long as there's no commitments that undermine said sovereignty. But that's just speculation. The point is Pelosi has no leverage to motivate China if they decide to remain neutral, contrary to your suggestion.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
Russia isn't their enemy and forcing Taiwan to pick a side complicates things.

Who said anything about forcing Taiwan to pick a side?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

The US is very adamantly "us or them" especially when it comes to independent nuclear powers.

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

Shouldn't she be more concerned with what is happening in San francisco?

originally posted by: TzarChasm
The US is very adamantly "us or them" especially when it comes to independent nuclear powers.

Taiwan has already pledged financial support to Ukraine so I don't know what you're on about. Pelosi going there to 'force' them to support Ukraine is superfluous.

originally posted by: vNex92
Shouldn't she be more concerned with what is happening in San francisco?

Kind of like how you should be more concerned about Macedonia?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: TzarChasm

I actually think it's to force China's hand on the Ukraine conflict; they agree to further isolate Russia and she decides to not make the trip. Just my speculation.

Isolating Russia isn't going to work unfortunately. It seems that Europe that is the one that is going to run out of gas supplies in the winter time and not even LNG wont be enough as replacements.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Taiwan has already pledged financial support to Ukraine

Of course they have.

Just like every American Puppet states in Europe had done so.

By listening to what the US demands Taiwan is no longer independent.
They are a client state to the US and to the US interests the fact that they are producing computer chips shows.

originally posted by: vNex92
Isolating Russia isn't going to work unfortunately.

It's already working, the longer this goes on the more they cannot get back what is being pulled from their economy via isolation from the West.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

the longer this goes on the more they cannot get back what is being pulled from their economy via isolation from the West.

If i were you i would be more concerned with the Euporean union and its failing economy due to the sanctions. The sanctions are hurting Europe.

Not Russia.

This is not Soviet's Russia.


I know there are some of you on the forum who desperately hoping to see Russia fail and broken into pieces.
Like your war mongers.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

It's already working, the longer this goes on the more they cannot get back
The longer this charade goes on. The further the EU and its economy is going to get destoryed through by their own powerful sanctions which is actually hurting Europeans more.

The fact that Germans are taking cold showers to ration their electricity just further shows that the sanctions are biting Germans a lot more.

I know you have a fantasy of seeing Russia withdrawing from Ukraine and if they do that. You know what will happen? Kiev will kill and force all people in Eastern Ukraine.

That is not going to happen.