Is Puten nutz or really on the move?

Russia has Europe by the balls with gas, and you know Europe/Germany are paying in Russian currency as demanded.
Here is the conspiracy/problem.. All the weapons, all the aid... It only weakens the supposed helpers/donating countries.
If ten countries give half of their military and a lot of goods that had been saved for hard times, then the reserves or support or what you want to call it, will dwindle and a country without supplies or weapons at half mast is not good. Arming Ukraine could break a little nato country, and then the smack down that might be in the works could be tough times.. If china and Russia or some other ally decide to go ape shnit on the world, maybe buy some noodles. A cold and hungry winter in Europe is only a few months away. It sucks but only time will tell. Peace out

a reply to: paytaplay

Close to 90% of Russia's gas goes to Europe but they only get 45% of their gas from Russia. In the long run, as they move away from Russian gas, it will have a greater economic impact on Russia.

Hang on, isn't a cold and hungry winter the WEF planned for us?
Old baldy supervillain Schwab reckons the high fuel prices are not high enough and wants further rises, something I am sure his willing helpers infesting most Western governments will be aiming for.
Makes the Russia / Ukraine situation nothing but a sideshow, a distraction and useful scapegoat for what they had planned for us anyway.

You vvill eat zee bugz or zee bugz vill eatz you, ezer vvay, you vvill be vvery vvery happvy.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: paytaplay

Close to 90% of Russia's gas goes to Europe but they only get 45% of their gas from Russia. In the long run, as they move away from Russian gas, it will have a greater economic impact on Russia.

The problem is there is no where else to get the gas from.

Buying from the US will cripple Europe as the prices are so high.

originally posted by: paytaplay
Russia has Europe by the balls with gas, and you know Europe/Germany are paying in Russian currency as demanded.
Here is the conspiracy/problem.. All the weapons, all the aid... It only weakens the supposed helpers/donating countries.
If ten countries give half of their military and a lot of goods that had been saved for hard times, then the reserves or support or what you want to call it, will dwindle and a country without supplies or weapons at half mast is not good. Arming Ukraine could break a little nato country, and then the smack down that might be in the works could be tough times.. If china and Russia or some other ally decide to go ape shnit on the world, maybe buy some noodles. A cold and hungry winter in Europe is only a few months away. It sucks but only time will tell. Peace out

Luckily neither China or Russia will go ape on the rest of the world.

Theres no financial gain in doing so.

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe
The problem is there is no where else to get the gas from.

There are enough alternative options, albeit higher initially, and once those are locked in the likelihood that they revert back to Russian gas is not very good. What Russia is doing is sacrificing its long term outlook in an attempt to secure some minor material gains today. Gas/oil isn't the only area they are being impacted, they are being drained in multiple areas.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

as they move away from Russian gas, it will have a greater economic impact on Russia.

it will have a greater economic impact on Europe not Russia i know you some of you russophobias really want Russia to fail and hope that this move hurts Russia.

In the long run as it Europe moves away from Russian gas and oil supplies this will have a negative greater economic impact on Europe's other areas of their economy.


I know there are some pro Ukrainians in here who wish and hope it would impact Russia in a way.


Unfortunately its the opposite.
The LNG gas supplies wont be enough nor would be the same as before.


There are those here who are underestimating Russia.

If anyone has to be blamed on the energy crisis its the EU/US themselves that they are now shooting themselves in the foot the sanctions are hurting Europe.

originally posted by: vNex92
it will have a greater economic impact on Europe not Russia...

Initially, but then who does Russia sell that gas to? Not Europe. They will forever be uncoupled from Russian gas and that hurts Russia, it's simple free market economics, the more of something there is the less the cost.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Russia and China are part of BRIC Russia has already majority of its oil and gas to China, Iran, India.

Already moving towards other countries in Asia.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

They will forever be uncoupled from Russian gas and that hurts Russia

That move wont be hurting Russia because they knew US politicians who always wanted Europe to force them to cancel both Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream II.

The US neocons disliked the idea of cheaper gas.
The LNG gas and oils supplies might be an idea but its not a good alternative it would be costing more for the ordinary Euporean.


The only ones that actually do benefit from the LNG deal is the US and politicians.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Even before the Ukrainian conflict had even started, even the Spanish as a example were paying heavily for their energy bills despite them having LNG.

Tackling soaring energy bills, Spain to cap gas price, utilities' profits

a reply to: paytaplay

Germany has a huge surplus and a massive cash reserve, they aren’t running out any time soon. Also Europe has the backing of the U.S. so no worries. Russia is extremely poor by comparison.

originally posted by: vNex92
Already moving towards other countries in Asia.

Let me know when Europe becomes part of Asia and is a new market.

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: paytaplay

Germany has a huge surplus and a massive cash reserve, they aren’t running out any time soon. Also Europe has the backing of the U.S. so no worries. Russia is extremely poor by comparison.

Because we all know the US is financially secure
Who is Europe going to buy gas from?
The EU manufacturing industry will crawl along like China’s did when they stopped Australian coal, the EU will cut their own throats without Russian energy supplies

Where are the EU going to get energy from, solar?

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Russia and China are part of BRIC Russia has already majority of its oil and gas to China, Iran, India.

Truth be told long term, Russia doesn't need the EU to take it's gas when one looks at the countries you listed above and their gigantic populations and industrial growth.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
Truth be told long term, Russia doesn't need the EU to take it's gas when one looks at the countries you listed above and their gigantic populations and industrial growth.

They gonna magic it there? 90% of Russia's pipelined gas flows to the Eurozone.

I have no idea Augustus yet from memory the Chinese are building something to take rooks of Russian gas.

Europe's time is going and going fast. When I was a kid these nations like China Indians Iranians they were still second rate states with little energy required. Not so now. They are developing real fast. Europe is ceasing up.

Being honest and realistic about it this whole fiasco is probably all part of their plan to destroy what is left of Europe's industry.

Winter over here is a matter of weeks away! We already pay twice for our gas and oil what it was last year. By October they are going to have it at three times increase. People are skint everywhere and really struggling to make ends meet.

Heating is now a serious thought and one of sacrifice. Cooking is suddenly just the same. Food prices are going through the roof. Kellogs Cornflakes just keep going up and up and up. Totally mental.

Filling the car or truck as you Yankees call them is now around £120! About $15 a gallon! You guys would be have a revolution if you were told to pay that. Brits just take it as another kick in the teeth.

Taxes are going up on everything. Government if you can call them that is totally out of control. Services have collapsed. Try get a dentist here, I've not been for seven years, dentists won't take people on. Heroin druggies and smackheaded coke addicts are everywhere causing mayhem and robbing houses left right and centre. The Police do nothing, aren't even interested in fighting crime any more, they are totally sh*t.

The military has shrunk to a joke size, yet the Admirals keep ordering massive aircraft carriers even though they can't afford to equip them with planes and we certainly can't afford them as a nation being so in debt.

Now we will watch as much of Europe's people freeze this winter and BMW etc close up because they have the gas pipes switched off by Putin and his henchmen. Our continent is falling apart and just needs one push by Russia and China to totally disintegrate if the Germans can't pay they way of many of the second rate nations that exist here. Civil wars and revolution everywhere are a very real prospect. Total madness and what for..................... A stupidly though out proxy war.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
I have no idea Augustus yet from memory the Chinese are building something to take rooks of Russian gas.

Link? There is little to no active construction on Russia to China gas/oil transportation infrastructure.