China: Ancient Pyramids + Explosions: "Underground Forests in Mystery Holes of Guangxi"

originally posted by: JamesChessman
Not to just argue or repeat back your same phrases, but really, that's literally your preconceived notion... about how it would look.

True, and the same applies to everybody else, you included, as such an event was never recorded.

Even if you were 100% correct about how it would look, at the time of impact, even then, there's countless time passed over it, and different weather processes etc. blown over it, that we can't predict. For example, thousands of years of sand blown over Mars' scar, because Mars DOES have storms and wind blowing sand around. I can imagine it's more than enough excuse to smooth-out jagged shapes and cover everything with a soft blanket of sand. And cover up the melting signs that you think should be there. Maybe they ARE there, but covered with thousands yrs sand.

Sand does not accumulate on almost vertical walls, and, thanks to the thinner atmosphere and lower gravity when compared to Earth, the Martian sand doesn't erode things as the Earth sand does. In the same way we see more signs of liquid erosion and less of wind erosion everywhere else on Mars, we see them here to, as those ramifications are typical of water erosion. When seen closer, there are even signs that point to rain.

And don't forget that the area you show in that image is just a part of the whole, 4000 km long, Valles Marineris, which looks, to me, more like a natural rift than the result of some external action.

originally posted by: JamesChessman
Also I think such evidence indicates a mix of different weapon types, used at the same time, in the ancient cataclysm.

I see no evidences of external actions, only signs of a natural rift, like the one in Africa that is moving the easternmost part of the Horn of Africa away from Africa in the direction of India.
This is a small section of it.

It turns out that only the Earth face is full of giant craters, which probably means that our familiar moon face is showing impact scars from that apocalypse event.

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by that part in bold.

So I don't think we can pin down exactly what weapons were used, probably mainly because it was so much MORE advanced than our modern day tech.

None.

And then we see physical impact sites like the moon and Earth... with whatever suggestions of nuclear tech, too. I think they were mixing everything together. Electrical attack, nuclear attack, physical attack.

I think you are the one mixing everything together.
It could result in a nice story, but I see not one evidence of any of that.

...Also re: the famous mushroom cloud: I'm not an expert on nukes but I do know that some particular types of nuclear weapons simply don't have the famous mushroom cloud.

If I recall correctly, there are nukes that explode in the air, then raining poison down, but there's no mushroom cloud (IIRC).

Mushroom clouds are a characteristic of big explosions near the ground, as the debris and dust are the main components of the stem of the mushroom, as they are sucked from the ground by the huge difference in temperature created by the explosion.

Plus whatever other ways to do it, so it's not a way to judge the Vedas, if they describe a mush. cloud or not.

They describe a ground attack, which should have mushroom cloud if it was the result of a huge explosion. As I said before, their description doesn't sound like an explosion to me.

a reply to: ArMaP

True, and the same applies to everybody else, you included, as such an event was never recorded.

But the Vedas ARE the history of the ancient doomsday event, aren't they?

It's your choice to disbelieve in the historicity of the Vedas, but the ancient texts DO present themselves as historic fact, don't they?


So I know you have your reasons but I think the fact is that you're just choosing to disbelieve in the contents of the Vedas, and then you're also choosing to not accept any of the scattered physical evidence of that ancient event, apparently.


Because on the other side of it, the Vedas do deserve some respect, and deserve some consideration that they might be true, historically.

And then there's a lot of possible evidence that supports that timeline, we've mentioned a lot in this thread, but the OP has exploded pyramids and buried pyramids in China, and currently we're discussing Mars' famous electric blast scar, and the moon's face full of craters presumably from that ancient event (since the moon's other side is NOT full of craters).




So basically the Vedas deserve consideration that they MIGHT be true historic records, and then we can SEE... some evidence scattered really everywhere. All over Earth, the moon, and Mars.

It all deserves consideration that it might all be the obvious evidence of the Veda's doomsday event.





By the way, can u please link me to the reading, especially the doomsday zone.

Thanks!!

a reply to: ArMaP

Sand does not accumulate on almost vertical walls, and, thanks to the thinner atmosphere and lower gravity when compared to Earth, the Martian sand doesn't erode things as the Earth sand does. In the same way we see more signs of liquid erosion and less of wind erosion everywhere else on Mars, we see them here to, as those ramifications are typical of water erosion. When seen closer, there are even signs that point to rain.

And don't forget that the area you show in that image is just a part of the whole, 4000 km long, Valles Marineris, which looks, to me, more like a natural rift than the result of some external action.

Well honestly I don't think either of us are in a position to debate whether Mars' sand can "accumulate on almost vertical walls," although I can imagine some situations that I think it would. I mean really it should probably only take some specific combination of wind forces, and specific moisture conditions, for the sand to get blown around in just the right way. For any such accumulation to happen. I think.

But bigger than that, is the fact that I don't think either of us can really fairly argue that specific thing. Whether sand would accumulate on Mars on that specific terrain. It's a mostly-unfamiliar landscape to both of us. We can't go see and check in person.

But so I think we should be more open-minded about such things. It might or might not be an ancient electric zap, which it seems clear enough that it's exactly that, an ancient electric blast.

I think the obviousness is more convincing than your arguments against it being an ancient electric blast, i.e. u argue that it's not melted, and argued that the sand would not accumulate to cover that melted-evidence if it was there.

I just generally think that such specific arguments are basically impossible for either of us to argue... i.e. neither of us really know how Mars might be blowing around / accumulating its sand, come on, haha.




And then there's the possibility that it was an electric blast that just didn't actually melt, regardless your expectation of melted impact, maybe it's just not how their weapon worked.

Again I don't think it's even such a leap of imagination... that they might have hit Mars with an electric blast (as per its obvious shape of electricity) but since we don't actually know exactly how their weaponry worked, maybe it did not have a heat component too.

I mean, it's really 2 different things, an electric zap, and a heat / melting impact. Seems like it could be 2 completely separate things, and that I would not necessarily think an electric blast would absolutely need to ALSO include heat / melting, too.

And don't forget that the area you show in that image is just a part of the whole, 4000 km long, Valles Marineris, which looks, to me, more like a natural rift than the result of some external action.

Well you're free to interpret it as a natural rift, but I think it's just exceedingly clear that it's a huge impact of an electric blast.

It's practically undebatable in my opinion. The sides have the absolute crystal-clear shape of electricity.

It's a huge electricity blast impact.

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: JamesChessman
Also I think such evidence indicates a mix of different weapon types, used at the same time, in the ancient cataclysm.

I see no evidences of external actions, only signs of a natural rift, like the one in Africa that is moving the easternmost part of the Horn of Africa away from Africa in the direction of India.
This is a small section of it.

^Wow!!
I don't think I ever saw that specific landscape, up close, like your image!

Ok sir you have convinced me that Africa has electric blast scars, just like Mars' famous scar. Thanks!!

a reply to: ArMaP

Mushroom clouds are a characteristic of big explosions near the ground, as the debris and dust are the main components of the stem of the mushroom, as they are sucked from the ground by the huge difference in temperature created by the explosion.


Plus whatever other ways to do it, so it's not a way to judge the Vedas, if they describe a mush. cloud or not.

They describe a ground attack, which should have mushroom cloud if it was the result of a huge explosion. As I said before, their description doesn't sound like an explosion to me.

Look, I'm just going off the top of my head, but I do recall from several years of reading current events etc. that I know nuclear bombs can be done in ways that do NOT have a mush cloud.

I described the one method which surely has an official name that I don't know, but it's the method of small nuclear bombs which explode IN THE AIR, then they rain down poison, there is no mush cloud. I'm convinced that I read about this, like 25 years ago, lol.



There's also a 2nd method of nuclear bombs which I also remember reading about, roughly 25 years ago.

This is the method that I DO remember the title. "Dirty bombs." These are horrific nuclear bombs which have been used in modern history, i.e. I was reading about them being used in the recent past, roughly 25 years ago. Referring to the United States global military presence, using dirty-bombs.

What it actually is, IIRC: It's just conventional bombs which ALSO contain a mix of nuclear poison. So the evil things explode like regular ordinary bombs, but then plus they are spreading nuclear poison, and plus, like I said, there's no mush cloud.




So off the dome, I've known of those 2 nuclear bomb types, which don't feature a mush cloud, but which are also quite truly nuclear bombs.

So it's not EVEN a leap of imagination, to think of nuclear bombs without a mush cloud, we've had exactly that for at least a few decades already, here on Earth, regrettably enough.

But if the Vedas lack descriptions of a mush cloud, even then, it's not a contradiction of it being nuclear weapons used in the historic events. Nukes plus electric blasts etc.

a reply to: ArMaP

I think you are the one mixing everything together.
It could result in a nice story....

^Yeah, a nice STORY... a nice HISTORY / "his story."

originally posted by: JamesChessman
But the Vedas ARE the history of the ancient doomsday event, aren't they?

No, the Vedas are religious texts.

It's your choice to disbelieve in the historicity of the Vedas, but the ancient texts DO present themselves as historic fact, don't they?

I would need to read them all, but Vedas are religious texts, like the Bible.

All religions are supposed to be based in historic facts.

So I know you have your reasons but I think the fact is that you're just choosing to disbelieve in the contents of the Vedas, and then you're also choosing to not accept any of the scattered physical evidence of that ancient event, apparently.

I read that part of the Mahabharata, I didn't read the Vedas, so I cannot comment on their content, but being an atheist, my natural tendency is to doubt the historic veracity of any religious text that talks about god(s).

Because on the other side of it, the Vedas do deserve some respect, and deserve some consideration that they might be true, historically.

No more than other religious text.

And then there's a lot of possible evidence that supports that timeline, we've mentioned a lot in this thread, but the OP has exploded pyramids and buried pyramids in China, and currently we're discussing Mars' famous electric blast scar, and the moon's face full of craters presumably from that ancient event (since the moon's other side is NOT full of craters).

The "other" side, the far side of the Moon, is as full of craters as the side facing Earth.

It all deserves consideration that it might all be the obvious evidence of the Veda's doomsday event.

What doomsday event? Do you have a quote for that?

By the way, can u please link me to the reading, especially the doomsday zone.

Thanks!!

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean.
Are you talking about that part of the Drona Parva that talks about that big battle? If you are, here's one site that has an easy to read version. The battle is on chapter 201.

If you are talking about something else, please explain what you mean.

a reply to: ArMaP

No, the Vedas are religious texts.

^Your implication is that they're historically untrue because they're religious texts? That's not automatically true. There can be real truth and real history, in it.

Especially that it's apparently just the form of the ancient records of the ancient war. It's kind of an impossible standard to dismiss them as "religious texts" since the old records didn't really have a choice how they were going to be preserved in the future thousands of years. No doubt the records were changed a bit, over those thousands of years, probably by thousands of different people, adding / embellishing details etc.

The Vedas were oral tradition first for some thousands of years before they were recorded, right?

I would need to read them all, but Vedas are religious texts, like the Bible.

All religions are supposed to be based in historic facts.

I read that part of the Mahabharata, I didn't read the Vedas, so I cannot comment on their content, but being an atheist, my natural tendency is to doubt the historic veracity of any religious text that talks about god(s).

No more than other religious text.

I mean I guess it's a choice to just have a blanket of disbelief on religious texts.

And then what can I say. Well the whole text is not necessarily about "gods" though, especially if the ancient described war is really talking about aliens waging war.

But I understand if you're generally avoiding creation myths, in different religions, then I get that.

But I think it's separate to look at the ancient descriptions of war, as probably real-life events, in the ancient past.

The "other" side, the far side of the Moon, is as full of craters as the side facing Earth.

You know what, I can double-check with Google Earth, on my Desktop.

...And I just did. No, the far side of the moon is completely LACKING the familiar dark patches of impact craters, that we see on the near side of the moon. Which means the near-side damage impacts were from a one-sided explosion event, that hit the near side, and not the far side.

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean.
Are you talking about that part of the Drona Parva that talks about that big battle? If you are, here's one site that has an easy to read version. The battle is on chapter 201.

If you are talking about something else, please explain what you mean.

^Thanks for the link, yes the big battle, I'll check it out.


And yeah, I think it was a doomsday event for killing the ancient advanced civilizations, that were living on Earth and probably the moon and Mars etc.

The moon face is all full of damage impacts, Mars has the famous electric zap scar, and Earth has exploded pyramids etc.

I generally think it all traces back to the one major world-ending event. Hopefully I can read about it in your link, thanks!

Ok I'm glancing at the Vedas from your link, thanks again.

Alright well first off... this is not very READABLE, in my opinion. It's such a deluge of details and information and unclear phrases.

I can easily understand how some people surely could devote their entire life to reading, understanding these ancient texts.

Also I can see that most people would probably never even be interested to read these ancient texts because they're so confusing that MOST people wouldn't want to bother with it.

Plus I can easily understand how there needs to be certain people who work together to make sense of different parts of these ancient texts.

It's basically too much for any one person to make sense of it, and it basically requires a group effort of diff. people, taking care of diff. sections, I imagine.








So I just find it very reader-unfriendly, at a first glance.

It doesn't relate to the subject matter though, and I'll probably always lean on the side that there's probably real history contained in these texts.






Glancing around a few different digital pages from your link:

Actually I think that the one thing that IS clear, is that somehow, there is some real-life ancient warfare, described.


But I think that any one section of text, could be interpreted different ways, so I don't think we can be clear on what exactly their weapons were.

I just think it's the only clear thing, that apparently there was an ancient war that it's commemorating.





The odd details may be impossible to clarify 100%, but I think it's clear that it's describing physical stuff, used in that war. So it seems like tactical descriptions, I think it's confusing text, but yes I think it's describing details of that real-life ancient war. There's a lot of mention of arrows and spears, although that could easily be describing more-advanced weaponry that the authors didn't have the vocabulary for, like "guns" might have been mixed in there with the descriptions of "arrows" and "shafts," maybe.





Also this might be the point of doomsday event:
en.krishnakosh.org...:8

I think it's interesting that the huge attack begins with the guy "touching water" because this could relate to advanced weaponry or tech... for example, in our modern day world, there's a lot of water used in the functioning of nuclear power plants.

So it's such a simple phrase that he "touched water" but it might be indicating that he was setting up nuclear plants / nuclear weapons, maybe.





Anyway here's descriptions of the subsequent nuclear winter following his attack, which sounds pretty accurate to what a nuclear winter would be. (Referring to the period AFTER a nuclear attack, the nuclear winter is the period with clouds & darkness surrounding the Earth.)

The valiant Aswatthaman, then, staying resolutely on his car, touched water and invoked the Agneya weapon incapable of being resisted by the very gods. Aiming at all his visible and invisible foes, the preceptor's son, that slayer of hostile heroes, inspired with mantras a blazing shaft possessed of the effulgence of a smokeless fire, and let it off on all sides, filled with rage. Dense showers of arrows then issued from it in the welkin. Endued with fiery flames, those arrows encompassed Partha on all sides. Meteors flashed down from the firmament. A thick gloom suddenly shrouded the (Pandava) host. All the points of the compass also were enveloped by that darkness. Rakshasas and Pisachas, crowding together, uttered fierce cries. Inauspicious winds began to blow.

The sun himself no longer gave any heat. Ravens fiercely croaked on all sides. Clouds roared in the welkin, showering blood. Birds and beasts and kine, and Munis of high vows and souls under complete control, became exceedingly uneasy.

The very elements seemed to be perturbed. The sun seemed to turn. The universe, scorched with heat, seemed to be in a fever. The elephants and other creatures of the land, scorched by the energy of that weapon, ran in fright, breathing heavily and desirous of protection against that terrible force. The very waters heated, the creatures residing in that element, O Bharata, became exceedingly uneasy and seemed to burn. From all the points of the compass, cardinal and subsidiary, from the firmament and the very earth, showers of sharp and fierce arrows fell and issued with the impetuosity of Garuda or the wind. Struck and burnt by those shafts of Aswatthaman that were all endued with the impetuosity of the thunder, the hostile warriors fell down like trees burnt down by a raging fire. Huge elephants, burnt by that weapon, fell down on the earth all around, uttering fierce cries loud as the rumblings of the clouds. Other huge elephants, scorched by that fire, ran hither and thither, and roared aloud in fear, as if in the midst of a forest conflagration. The steeds, O king, and the cars also, burnt by the energy of that weapon, looked, O sire, like the tops of trees burnt in a forest-fire. Thousands of cars fell down on all sides. Indeed, O Bharata, it seemed that the divine lord Agni burnt the (Pandava) host in that battle, like the Samvarta fire consuming everything at the end of the Yuga.

Beholding the Pandava army thus burning in that dreadful battle, thy soldiers, O king, filled with joy, uttered leonine shouts. Indeed, the combatants, desirous of victory and filled with joy, speedily blew thousands of trumpets, O Bharata, of diverse kinds. Darkness having enveloped the world during that fierce battle, the entire Pandava army, with Savyasachin, the son of Panda, could not be seen.

Actually this current conversation also relates to the fact that apparently, you've basically reported that there's not a clear timeline, to try to make sense of the Vedas contents, in a historical sense. Unfortunately.

So from there, we don't even really know exactly what timeframe we're really talking about, re: the events of war, in the Vedas.

I read that part of the Mahabharata, I didn't read the Vedas, so I cannot comment on their content, but being an atheist, my natural tendency is to doubt the historic veracity of any religious text that talks about god(s).

^Ok I thought the Mahabharata was part of the Vedas, I think u mentioned it earlier but I'm not sure what exactly the distinction was...

Anyways I didn't know you were an athiest, and that's your choice of course.

But what's better than atheism. Is: Agnosticism. In my opinion. Meaning that a person is acknowledging what he doesn't know, and remains open-minded about what we don't know for sure.

Whereas atheism is more directly disbelieving in things, instead of being open-minded about the possibilities that we don't know about.

The "other" side, the far side of the Moon...

^By the way, I hope u know that it's OK to call it the "other" side, because that's an accurate description... although the "far side" is the more standard term... and funny enough, the most common term is probably "the dark side of the moon" which is completely inaccurate altogether, haha.

originally posted by: JamesChessman
But bigger than that, is the fact that I don't think either of us can really fairly argue that specific thing. Whether sand would accumulate on Mars on that specific terrain. It's a mostly-unfamiliar landscape to both of us. We can't go see and check in person.

That's true, but from the hundreds of Mars photos I have seen in the last 15 years or more, I haven't seen one case of sand accumulating on near vertical areas, in those areas we can even see the different layers that make up the ground.
You can see that in, for example, this photo.

On that photo we can see several layers of rock and soil and although we can see lots of accumulated sand nearer to the bottom of the valley, we can clearly see the edges, and they show no signs of melting rock. The flat valley floor doesn't show any either, but what it shows is that although the floor is flat, it has some "islands" jutting out, something that I don't see could exist if the valley was created by an electric discharge.

I would love to see that in person, but I doubt any human will look at it "in loco" during my lifetime.

But so I think we should be more open-minded about such things. It might or might not be an ancient electric zap, which it seems clear enough that it's exactly that, an ancient electric blast.

Clear to you, not clear to me. Are you familiar with geological processes?

And then there's the possibility that it was an electric blast that just didn't actually melt, regardless your expectation of melted impact, maybe it's just not how their weapon worked.

How would an electric discharge (or any other instant event) could be capable of carving a 7 km deep chasm on the ground without melting some of the material?
Imagination is a good thing when trying to find solutions to problems, but it should be based in reality.

Again I don't think it's even such a leap of imagination... that they might have hit Mars with an electric blast (as per its obvious shape of electricity) but since we don't actually know exactly how their weaponry worked, maybe it did not have a heat component too.

If you look at a photo of an electric discharge you can see that it gives a sense of direction, with the ramifications acting branches of a tree, while in the Mars feature the "branches" are mostly perpendicular to the main "trunk".

I mean, it's really 2 different things, an electric zap, and a heat / melting impact. Seems like it could be 2 completely separate things, and that I would not necessarily think an electric blast would absolutely need to ALSO include heat / melting, too.

Tell that to the people that get 3rd degree burns just because they weren't fast enough to throw a high medium voltage switch, the arc that it creates is capable of instantly destroy the person's arms.

Well you're free to interpret it as a natural rift, but I think it's just exceedingly clear that it's a huge impact of an electric blast.

It's practically undebatable in my opinion. The sides have the absolute crystal-clear shape of electricity.

It's a huge electricity blast impact.

Well, as I'm not as close minded as you, I think it's debatable, but only if based in reality, which, to me, it's not the case, as you are, again, trying to force reality to fit your preconceived ideas.

a reply to: ArMaP

That's true, but from the hundreds of Mars photos I have seen in the last 15 years or more, I haven't seen one case of sand accumulating on near vertical areas, in those areas we can even see the different layers that make up the ground.
You can see that in, for example, this photo.

On that photo we can see several layers of rock and soil and although we can see lots of accumulated sand nearer to the bottom of the valley, we can clearly see the edges, and they show no signs of melting rock. The flat valley floor doesn't show any either, but what it shows is that although the floor is flat, it has some "islands" jutting out, something that I don't see could exist if the valley was created by an electric discharge.

I would love to see that in person, but I doubt any human will look at it "in loco" during my lifetime.

Well OK but I think it's too many assumptions about the weather & geological processes on Mars, although I appreciate it that you have informed conclusions.

But the other side of it, is what I already said, that it's impossible to verify up-close.

And that if we are really trying to imagine how sediment might accumulate on certain terrain on Mars:

We do know that: All the elements of weather and geological process are known to exist on Mars: Wind, sand, storms, water, ice etc.

It would only just take the certain correct combination of those forces that do exist there. For sand to get blown-around and accumulate on probably any sort of terrain.

...It might even have some clay mixed in with the sand on Mars, so it might turn to glue when it's wet, and there can easily be some certain combination of storms and moisture that could make that sand accumulate...

Anyway, this whole idea of Mars not being able to accumulate sand, vertically, is based on your expectation that there would need to be melted rock from an electrical weapon impact.

So it's all good to consider but I don't necessarily agree that their weapon absolutely NEEDED to involve heat as well as its apparent electric blast. I think it's MOST true that we don't really know what exactly their weapons were or how they worked, and it shouldn't be a huge surprise if they worked in ways that we are not familiar with.

In the case of Mars' scar, I'm not very convinced that it needs to show melt damage, one way or another. Whether there really is melted-damage, and whether or not there is sand covering it, regardless, we can see the very clear SHAPE of electricity in Mars' scar. The shape is indisputable, it's that of electric strike. It doesn't necessarily need extra signs to verify the SHAPE of electric impact that we see.

Clear to you, not clear to me. Are you familiar with geological processes?

Well sure but it's that zap-shape of electric impact that's so clear.

And the whole giant Mars scar seems an obvious impact damage from something that hit it. Something with obvious electric impact. This is very visible, and probably this is the impact which killed the entire planet!!

How would an electric discharge (or any other instant event) could be capable of carving a 7 km deep chasm on the ground without melting some of the material?
Imagination is a good thing when trying to find solutions to problems, but it should be based in reality.


Again I don't think it's even such a leap of imagination... that they might have hit Mars with an electric blast (as per its obvious shape of electricity) but since we don't actually know exactly how their weaponry worked, maybe it did not have a heat component too.

If you look at a photo of an electric discharge you can see that it gives a sense of direction, with the ramifications acting branches of a tree, while in the Mars feature the "branches" are mostly perpendicular to the main "trunk".


I mean, it's really 2 different things, an electric zap, and a heat / melting impact. Seems like it could be 2 completely separate things, and that I would not necessarily think an electric blast would absolutely need to ALSO include heat / melting, too.

Tell that to the people that get 3rd degree burns just because they weren't fast enough to throw a high medium voltage switch, the arc that it creates is capable of instantly destroy the person's arms.

Sir we don't even know the characteristics of the ancient weapons, to be able to debate those weapons.

We can see that the ancients were using gigantic world-killing weapons blasts of electricity. That's what we can SEE on Mars.

Regardless whether it was heat or not, whether there was melted rock or not, whether sand accumulates vertically on Mars or not.



I think the whole idea of debating the temperature of electricity is absurd. Because as I understand it, electricity and heat are really still two different things that are not necessarily always together.

I mean, is electricity ALWAYS HOT? I don't really think so? Power-cords are not always hot... they are sometimes but MOST of the time, power cables are NOT radiating heat, so I mean I think this whole tangent is just absurd. Outside the realm of appliances, is electricity ALWAYS HOT in nature, because again, I don't really think so, what about lightning storms in very cold places like the polar regions, how about lightning traveling through the ice water in polar regions, I would expect there's gotta be SOME electricity that's not always hot.

Even then, again we don't know the weapon. If it was being fired for thousands of miles through space, maybe the weapon lost its heat component and cooled off, while the electric blast remained when it hit?

The weapons are probably so exotic and advanced that we can't judge whether it should be hot or not, we don't have world-destroying laser beams quite yet.

And that's another thing, we imagine that such a weapon would be lasers (like Star Wars and Sonic the Hedgehog etc.) but in real life, Mars shows that it was definitely an electricity blast that killed the planet, which might or might not have been like the giant laser beams in our modern imagination.

We don't have a modern equivalent of the giant electricity blaster that killed Mars, and since it's definitely electricity, I rather think that our modern idea is wrong, when we're imagining giant laser beams.

Mars might not have hit by a laser beam at all. Maybe it was pure electricity shot thousands of miles across the solar system. Maybe it looked like giant lightning bolts, zigzagging through space!

originally posted by: JamesChessman
^Wow!!
I don't think I ever saw that specific landscape, up close, like your image!

Ok sir you have convinced me that Africa has electric blast scars, just like Mars' famous scar. Thanks!!

That's a known geological feature, and, unlike the one on Mars, we can studied it, so we know that it's an active rift, a fault on the Earth's crust with each side moving away from the fault, in this case moving part of Africa's Horn in the direction of Asia, in the same way the Atlantic rift is responsible for the increase in distance between Europe and Africa on the East side and the Americas on the West side.
Like the mid-ocean ridges, they are part of plate tectonics and responsible for pushing plates away from each other, unlike other faults like the San Andreas fault, in which one side moves North while the other moves South.

It looks like you really need to learn something about geology...

a reply to: ArMaP

Also I need to take a breather away from the thread again, and the more I think about the universe-ending cataclysm, there is a human element which is purely tragic, heart-breaking, impossible to imagine... the billions of people dying in one war that killed Mars completely, as a planet, while Earth was apparently mostly-killed, in that most life was killed, while Earth managed to survive as a living planet (for modern humans to grow up as a bunch of retarded monkeys, in the poisonous nuclear ruins of that ancient war, and most people don't even stop to think about it).

So it's actually very emotional and impossible to even understand the tragedy of billions of people dying fairly instantly across Earth, and the moon, and Mars.

It's unimaginable, it's impossible to even wrap our heads around it. Mainly because we are just a dumb version, of those ancient advanced people, let's be honest about it, our modern human minds are mostly very pathetic and primitive minds, for most people on Earth.

So really, we are too primitive-minded to even really understand that universe-ending cataclysm. Our minds can not understand such scale!





But yet we NEED to try to understand it, to some extent.

Certainly we can appreciate some degree of sorrow and heartbreak for those lives lost.

The scale is what we can't understand with our modern retard brains.




But so we need to spend some time contemplating / meditating on it. Myself included, and ArMaP, you too. We need to meditate on that ancient cataclysm, that destroyed human life across the solar system, a few thousand years ago.




We can all relate to individual lives, after all, in death and tragedy. (While planet-killing events is just on a SCALE, that we can't fathom.)



So anyways, will you please say a prayer for all those souls who were lost in the sudden attacks. Please pray for their spirits to rest in peace.

Or wait, do you disbelieve in that too? Wishing for the deceased to rest in peace? It's a pretty universal human sentiment, it's part of life for most people.

The billions of ghosts from that event are probably aware of our thread, and they probably appreciate that I wish for them to rest in peace.

They're hoping that you say the same.





This is just a universe of heartbreak and suffering:


For the spirits of those lost in the ancient apocalypse. Please rest in peace.

originally posted by: JamesChessman
^Your implication is that they're historically untrue because they're religious texts? That's not automatically true. There can be real truth and real history, in it.

Sure it can, but if they are religious text that say something that goes against other religious texts then either they are all wrong, one is right and all the others are wrong or all have some truth and some imagination mixed in.

The Vedas were oral tradition first for some thousands of years before they were recorded, right?

Right, obviously.

I mean I guess it's a choice to just have a blanket of disbelief on religious texts.

See above.

And then what can I say. Well the whole text is not necessarily about "gods" though, especially if the ancient described war is really talking about aliens waging war.

That war we have been talking about is from the Mahabharata, not from the Vedas.

But I understand if you're generally avoiding creation myths, in different religions, then I get that.

I do not avoid them, I just do not consider them as representative of the truth.

But I think it's separate to look at the ancient descriptions of war, as probably real-life events, in the ancient past.

Sure there are real life events in all religious texts (and unwritten works), but that doesn't mean things happened exactly as described.
See it as a kind of the "weapons of mass destruction" excuse to attack Iraq. It was really used as an excuse but it was not based on real facts.

You know what, I can double-check with Google Earth, on my Desktop.

...And I just did. No, the far side of the moon is completely LACKING the familiar dark patches of impact craters, that we see on the near side of the moon. Which means the near-side damage impacts were from a one-sided explosion event, that hit the near side, and not the far side.

Those are not craters, those are called "maria" ("seas").

And yeah, I think it was a doomsday event for killing the ancient advanced civilizations, that were living on Earth and probably the moon and Mars etc.

The moon face is all full of damage impacts, Mars has the famous electric zap scar, and Earth has exploded pyramids etc.

I generally think it all traces back to the one major world-ending event. Hopefully I can read about it in your link, thanks!

If you think that what those writings say are historic facts then that was battle limited to a small part of India, hardly the whole planet and much less more than one planet.

originally posted by: JamesChessman
Ok I'm glancing at the Vedas from your link, thanks again.

The Mahabharata is not part of the Vedas, the Vedas are a different thing.

Anyway here's descriptions of the subsequent nuclear winter following his attack, which sounds pretty accurate to what a nuclear winter would be. (Referring to the period AFTER a nuclear attack, the nuclear winter is the period with clouds & darkness surrounding the Earth.)

A nuclear winter wouldn't be removed by a different weapon, as they say in the text, and it lasted at most a few hours. That battle lasted, if I'm not wrong, 18 days, and like all other battles of old, they had to stop when the night came.

It looks like electrical machining if you ask me. On a planetary scale would have been magnificent to behold.

a reply to: ArMaP

a reply to: ArMaP

Sure it can, but if they are religious text that say something that goes against other religious texts then either they are all wrong, one is right and all the others are wrong or all have some truth and some imagination mixed in.

Well it's not necessarily every religion against every other religion though.

There's a few major different categories of religions.

There are ancient legacy religions that are basically reporting a collection of ancient thought and records.

These are essentially ancient attempts at history, and they're not really AGAINST anything. This includes the ancient Indian texts, and the ancient Jewish texts, Old Testament.

They're collections of ancient thought. What are they against? Nothing, really.





Then there are more recent religions with more recent figures of inspiration, mainly the Buddha, then Jesus, then Mohammed.

Each person was a leader of new thought, for their time & place, and so each of these newer guys has his own following to this day. So that's a nice idealistic way to look at that.






However, even if Jesus was really the Prince of Peace, even then, his teaching has been largely lost, plus he has been used for EVIL and murder and violence, especially that Christianity is well-known to be the most violent religion of all history.

But Jesus presumably didn't want any of that to happen, it was evil that took over / replaced his message, and it was evilness from outside forces, unrelated to Jesus. Mainly his influence became co-opted as the stamp of violent, murderous empires, who were spreading their own empire. Mainly the Roman Empire and the Spanish Crusades. They were carrying the stamp of Christ in a false way, because it was really just the empires murdering everyone.




^So we have to distinguish different things like that. The ancient legacy collections are really not against anything, they're just collections of ancient thought.

And the 3 main recent prophets, they presumably all had pure teaching, and it's a completely separate matter that their legacy was corrupted / scrambled by evil, violent war-mongers, many centuries removed from Jesus himself.

Essentially the same applies to Islam, which I am the least familiar with, but I assume Mohammed was a good person for his time & place, and when Islam is mis-used for evil, that is outside evil, misusing the stamp.




Then there's Buddhism, which has managed to remain intact, preserved better than the others, and Buddhism hasn't been misused for evil so much as the others. It's the least misused of these religions, and the best preserved meaning that the Buddha's teachings were recorded in real-time, and preserved for 2,600 years. You can read, or listen to audio of, the Buddha's speeches today, if u want to.

Buddhism is also the correct focus because it's about THE TRUTH of life and the universe, and it's really mainly focused on personal health and well-being. So it's a demonstrably a positive way of life for an individual, and it's also good for everyone (if each individual is actually focused on his own wellness, then yes, that's good for the whole world).

So we gotta distinguish what is preserved truth from the original prophets' inspiration, which is a good thing, and... unrelated to whatever ways in which bad forces corrupt different religions for evil.





Then there's another category that crosses other categories like a Venn diagram:

The category of religions that are focused on personal health and wellness, and this makes these religions as harmonious with others, thinking mainly of Buddhism here, but AFAIK Taoism is along similar lines (and it has even mixed with Buddhism). Basically along the same lines is Yoga which goes back to Hinduism, but especially physical yoga, i.e. Hatha Yoga, it's obviously based on physical wellness, and that's harmonious with anything, and it's not against other things.







TLDR, I don't think religions are all the same, or that they belong grouped together or considered equal; there's real genuine inspiration from the prophets, and also, there's unrelated war-mongers corruption, which are really all separate things.

a reply to: ArMaP

The Vedas were oral tradition first for some thousands of years before they were recorded, right?

Right, obviously.

Why is it "obviously" that the Vedas were a preserved oral-tradition for thousands of years, if we can't figure out the actual timeline? Jeez, lol.

Haven't you established that the Vedas were written down at a certain point in time, but before that, their oral preservation goes back an UNKNOWN number of years, correct?

I'd be the MOST impressed if we could figure out the actual timeline of the religion's origin.

And especially the timeline of the ancient warfare that we've been discussing.