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originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: putnam6
I will answer you. In the USSR, many high-altitude hydroelectric power stations and dams were built. Many now belong to the former republics of the USSR, which does not mean that these dams were built by them. For example, do you know about the existence of the Chirkey hydroelectric power station in Dagestan, Russia?
And what about the Nurek HPP, the Inguri HPP, etc.? They were built by the Russians.
In any case, you are again trying to divert the topic of the thread towards Russia and show its certain "inferiority", which does you no credit.
Oroville >> Butte County Sheriff Kory Honea has described the night he ordered the evacuation of thousands of people downstream of the Oroville Dam many times before, but as he says, there are always new perspectives when it comes to the crisis.
Some of the information in the article was news to Honea himself when he read the article, but he confirmed most of what the notes retrieved through a Freedom of Information Act request by the AP insinuate.
“It was an extraordinarily tense and stressful period,” the sheriff said. “There was a lot of uncertainty. It was a dynamic, rapidly developing situation.”
Here are Honea’s comments on specific points in the AP article:
At the end of the article, a dam manager, Honea identifies him as Pat Whitlock — says the sheriff was worried the problem would not have been caught if a geologist didn’t identify the erosion and possibility of undercutting in the picture.
It was getting later in the afternoon on the 12th and up to that point, the information I was receiving was that although it wasn’t ideal, the water was going over the emergency spillway, things seemed to be going as well as could be expected.
“But then Pat Whitlock was looking at this photo of the emergency spillway and there was a group of people standing behind him. I believe that quote references one of those geologists who brought the picture. I heard him say, ‘Does the sheriff know about this?’ and when I inquired further, that’s when I started learning about this rapidly developing erosion that was or moving back toward the dam.”
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The picture didn’t show him all he needed to know to make a decision. In his words, he’s “not a hydrologist.”
“I could tell Pat Whitlock was concerned. I could tell the people that had brought the picture to his attention were very concerned, but they had to explain to me what it meant. I was actually ready to go home for the evening. That’s when I walked up to say goodbye to everybody, saw them looking at the picture.
“When they told me the picture was showing erosion, I said, ‘OK, what does that mean? They said, ‘We need to talk more about it.’ They were probably gone 10 or 15 minutes. When they came back in, I could tell there was a high degree of concern among the group. By that time, (then-acting director of DWR) Bill Croyle had joined.
“It was then, I began to interrogate the group, if you will, just so I could really hone in on the critical pieces of information needed to make a decision. It seemed that time was of the essence. I’ve talked about it a lot — at that point, the realization struck me that there could be significant loss of life if we didn’t act.
“I said to the group, essentially, it sounds to me like we need to evacuate. There were some side conversations in the room, probably 40 or 50 people in the conference room, and at that point, in a rather loud and assertive tone, I said, ‘Everybody listen to me,’ and kind of recounted the facts that had been presented to illustrate what the threat was and checked back with the subject matter experts and asked, ‘Do I understand this correctly?’ They said yes.
“I said, ‘It sounds to me we need to order an evacuation. If anyone disagrees with that or has a better alternative I need to know now,’ and the room was silent, everybody was looking at me. I did a visual check in with other incident commanders. I kind of got that confirmation I was doing the right thing.
“It was such an incredibly tense and frightening situation. Your perception of time sometimes is a little distorted or off, but I would say, probably within 20 to 30 minutes, maybe even less, from hearing about the problem, was when order was made, based upon my perception.”
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After he ordered the evacuation of the downstream areas of Butte County, the Yuba and Sutter county sheriffs followed suit. An estimated total of 180,000 people were told to flee their homes that Sunday night. A lump formed in the sheriff’s throat as he asked his staff to go into the areas he ordered community members to leave, for their safety.
“It hit me — I just ordered the evacuation of thousands of people
Notes from meetings that night retrieved by AP revealed that DWR could not see what was going on with the emergency spillway, as no cameras or lights were out there. That night, it was a scramble to gather drones and helicopters to get eyes on the damage as water careened down the hillside. It was hours before Honea knew the impact, but he was busy trying to organize traffic, which was at nearly a standstill for hours on the freeways, and take media calls.
“Some hours later that night, I got word water had gone down far enough it was no longer going over the emergency spillway and I was speaking to Croyle. I said, ‘Can I lift the evacuation?’ The response was ‘not yet because we don’t know how deep the erosion is, if it has undercut or eroded under the emergency spillway.’
“Some DWR employees went into the canyon that night. It’s a piece I will never forget — in a briefing probably 1, 2, 3 in the morning, I’m getting a report from the geologists from DWR and Army Corps of Engineers who had scrambled into the canyon the moment the water stopped going over there. They didn’t know what they were getting into. That’s a pretty heroic thing.
“At that point, I knew we’d done the right thing, given what we were hearing. I never ever want to do that again, but I don’t regret making that decision.”
The article also cited a call with Gov. Jerry Brown’s office, in which an unidentified official said, “Tell everyone to come back,” according to the notes obtained by the AP. The sheriff said he didn’t know who that person was and he never heard anyone voice disapproval of his decision to make the evacuation order, downgrade it or rescind when he did.
“That was the first I ever heard of that. Everybody I talked to was fully on board with the evacuation and keeping it in effect until we had clarity.
“The credit goes to so many people: my staff, first responders, our community. I’ve heard hundreds of stories of acts of compassion, heroism on part of everyday people. I want them to be prepared, pay attention to what’s going on. (After the Oroville Dam) evacuations, the Wall Fire then the Ponderosa Fire, I feel like they’ve really gotten an understanding that we’re trying to keep people safe. When it’s time to evacuate, do it.
originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: SeaWorthy
Yes, I can read. It's not clear. It's bollox.
A commercial egg laying flock in Weld County, Colorado, was infected with highly pathogenic avian influenza. The flock consisted of 1,928,000 hens. According to the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS), the presence of HPAI was confirmed on June 7.Jun 8, 2022
originally posted by: SeaWorthy
Amazing stuff here List of Foods Destroyed
Some of the same stuff on here power and hacks
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originally posted by: elevatedone
No one "blew up" or attempted to "blow up" Hoover Dam.
The Bureau of Reclamation, the federal agency under the U.S. Department of Interior, which runs the Hoover Dam, said a transformer caught fire and was extinguished by the Reclamation/Hoover fire brigade around 30 minutes later.
Source
originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: schuyler
" They " dont care if the story is rubbish , the propaganda mission is to shape perceptions, but Russians rely repetive storys that dont have to include fact-cheking necessarily, i guess the idea behind is that they believe some people will believe all or part, and so they just keep doing it .
Reenvisioning Russian Propaganda: Media Decentralization and the Use of Social Networks as a Means to Government Continuity
3 Rapid, Continuous, and Repetitive Putin’s regime has modernized the propaganda machine enough that it is constantly producing information and is very responsive to events. Propagandists do not care much for facts or objectivity in Russian media and it has been shown that fact-checking is not a priority.29 The “news” they provide is based on whispers and rumors; this is why they are so quick to cover news worthy events.30 There are also issues associated with this lack of commitment to objectivity or fact-checking.
4 No Commitment to Objective Reality Mentioned previously, Russian propagandists do not care for objectivity or facts in their production of information. This does not mean all information produced by propagandists is false; the opposite, actually. A significant proportion of the information they produce “contains a significant fraction of the truth.”39 However, that does not mean the information is credible or objective; especially when facts and stories are wholly created.
The Russian "Firehose of Falsehood" Propaganda Model
Atomic demolition munitions…? Were do you get this crap from .
originally posted by: RussianTroll
Hello ATS!
Today I read a couple of threads on our forum about the explosion at the Hoover Dam. I also read the comments on this news and was very surprised how conspiracy theories about tweets about this news, which appeared several hours before the explosion, then disappeared, then reappeared, stirred up the ATS community.
I thought, is the ATS really so crushed and degraded that you do not remember similar events that happened only 5 years ago? And I will remind you.
Exactly 5.5 years ago, in February 2017, the Western mainstream media created the impression that the American and world society was preparing for some kind of catastrophic event that could affect tens, if not hundreds, of millions of people. And this event was supposed to happen in California. In February, the world exploded with reports about the real possibility of the destruction of the Oroville dam, leading television companies conducted online reports, the media were full of reports on the state of the dam and the consequences of its breakthrough.
The dam burst threatened the lives of 2.5 million people, and a 30-foot wave traveling at 100 miles per hour could wash away everything 70 kilometers south, including the city of Sacramento. The entire infrastructure of Southern California could be destroyed, including agricultural enterprises, which are the first largest producer of fruit, and the second largest producer of rice. The catastrophe would affect 25% of the retail trade, a transport collapse, which would cause complete chaos and serve as an excuse for the introduction of the US army or UN troops.
However, disaster did not happen thanks to the determination of one man - Beatt County Sheriff Corey Honey. Against all odds, on February 12, 2017, the sheriff made the decision to evacuate 200,000 people south of the dam, derailing plans to blow the dam and kill millions. The commission, which examined the dam after the evacuation, found a lot of nuclear charges of the ADM (Atomic Demolition Munitions) type, used to destroy power plants, bridges and dams.
Now you tell me that this is a terrible conspiracy theory and my invention. Okay, I'm giving you a link to this post.
www.thecommonsenseshow.com...
By following this link, you will find that this message is not currently available. Ok, only the Internet and Google remember everything. I'm giving you a link to a Google saved copy of this message.
webcache.googleusercontent.com...:sN9L-RH5tp0J:www.yahuwahsoasis.com... e__pt_3.pdf+&cd=1&hl= en&ct=clnk&gl=en
Someone wants us to know nothing and have a short memory. But go further.
But even nuclear charges might not be enough to achieve the desired result. A disaster could only happen if all systems failed or were destroyed, including the main spillway, emergency spillway, the dam itself, the Hyatt power plant, river outlet valves (ROVs), inflow and outflow sensors, rain emergency discharges and much more. Moreover, the necessary condition was the simultaneity of all factors and the failure of a multi-level system of protection and security. And this, according to experts, could only be achieved by infecting the system with the CrashOverrride virus. Only he could create a "domino effect" - a chain of strictly sequential events that could lead to disaster.
But the determination of one person prevented these plans, media reports immediately lost the necessary intensity and practically ceased. The dam was somehow immediately forgotten, and life returned to its former calm course, although no action was taken to prevent a breakthrough.
I bow my head over the courage of one man who went against the whole system - Beatt County Sheriff Corey Honey!!!
And now it's time for even more terrible conspiracy theories. A logical question: "And for what and who needed all this?" I will answer you.
By 2017, a comprehensive testing ground the size of an entire country was created and is operating in Europe to develop various experiments and technologies - biological, genetic, pharmacological, social, technological, political, nuclear and computer. This country is Ukraine. Before applying any technology in Europe or the United States, careful repeated experiments are carried out on the population, social structure, economy, energy and security systems of Ukraine. The population tolerates all this, moreover, the propaganda system of the media and social networks uses the most advanced information technologies in order to assure the population that literally any negative phenomenon in the country was initiated by Russia and personally by its President Vladimir Putin. And it works in Ukraine.
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originally posted by: xosephx
I was living in Butte county during the evacuation. We were already prepared but for many it was a logistics nightmare. The gas stations had long lines, people were literally running down the street to get to a ride out. There was so much dust in the air from everyone moving at once. I remember my dogs getting out and having to chase them down the street. The freeway was completely clogged. I came back alone that evening to make sure we didn't get hit by looters. Nobody was travelling north on I-5. It was creepy AF. Learn your back roads if you live downstream. in a reply to: RussianTroll
“It is a pretty significant event in the history of Butte County and became a national story,” Honea said. “There was an erosion of water progressing rapidly toward the emergency spillway.”
According to Honea, the evacuation happened in the afternoon Feb. 12, 2017 but there was a whole week of escalating concerns leading up to it, beginning Feb. 7. A hole in the main spillway appeared. It was a massive hole. There was an extensive forensic report done as well as hearings and state legislature about what could have caused that. The majority of Orovillle was under evacuation.