The blown-up dams of the USA are the way to the world concentration camp

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: elevatedone

Of course, I am not an expert in hydro-technical power structures, but it seems to me that transformers cannot be located in such places where we saw an explosion.

Obviously not as these transformers have been located where they are for almost 100 years.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Perhaps in the USA there is a different concept and location of equipment at such facilities. But in Russia, transformers are located at points as far as possible from generating devices, especially outside, where the impact of water and water dust is high. Transformers are located on separate transformer fields, where energy is converted for further transportation. That is, away from the main generators.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
But in Russia, transformers are located at points as far as possible from generating devices, especially outside, where the impact of water and water dust is high. Transformers are located on separate transformer fields, where energy is converted for further transportation. That is, away from the main generators.

ORLY?

How do you explain the 2009 Sayano Dam accident where 40 tons of transformer oil was released due to onsite damage to the turbine house?

Are we still discussing the Hoover dam thing?

Power generation was never disrupted, what's the big deal.

As for designing and building large dams, the US has 7 of the largest dams ever built, Russia just a single one LOL even Pakistan has 2.

Sayano Shushenskaya Accident

originally posted by: putnam6
As for designing and building large dams, the US has 7 of the largest dams ever built, Russia just a single one LOL even Pakistan has 2.

And when it had a failure it killed people and leaked toxic chemicals all over the place. Par for the course when it comes to Russian infrastructure.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Once again, I am not an expert in hydro-power engineering. The accident at the Sayano-Shushenskaya HPP occurred for completely different reasons. From the reasons, conclusions were drawn, very serious. These reasons are far from technical.
If, as you say, when the turbine was pulled out into the engine room, 40 tons of engine oil were released, then why was this oil not ignited?

After all, I was hoping for a discussion of the topic I described in this thread. The transfer of attention to Russia and the problems of Russia in this thread are counter-productive.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
The accident at the Sayano-Shushenskaya HPP occurred for completely different reasons.

I don't care why it occurred, whether it was typical faulty Soviet engineering or general ambivalence by a repressed workforce, what the point was is that the transformers were located on site unlike your dopey claim that they wouldn't be.

If, as you say, when the turbine was pulled out into the engine room, 40 tons of engine oil were released, then why was this oil not ignited?

Read it again, I said transformer oil, and it doesn't matter if it caught fire or not, it matters that it leaked all over the place because it was located at the site unlike your dopey claim that they wouldn't be.

a reply to: putnam6

I will answer you. In the USSR, many high-altitude hydroelectric power stations and dams were built. Many now belong to the former republics of the USSR, which does not mean that these dams were built by them. For example, do you know about the existence of the Chirkey hydroelectric power station in Dagestan, Russia?
And what about the Nurek HPP, the Inguri HPP, etc.? They were built by the Russians.

In any case, you are again trying to divert the topic of the thread towards Russia and show its certain "inferiority", which does you no credit.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

If you don't care, then why are you posting about it? You are inconsistent, so I conclude that you are absolutely not interested in the topic of this thread, and you are pursuing other goals.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
If you don't care, then why are you posting about it?

Read it again, I don't care why it blew up, I do care that it shows you were wrong about transformers being located 'at points as far as possible from generating devices'. They aren't.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: RussianTroll
If you don't care, then why are you posting about it?

Read it again, I don't care why it blew up, I do care that it shows you were wrong about transformers being located 'at points as far as possible from generating devices'. They aren't.

And I don't know where your information about 40 tons of transformer oil came from.
If you would refer to the results of the official investigation of the accident, then do so. Otherwise, your assumptions are just another conspiracy theory.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
And I don't know where your information about 40 tons of transformer oil came from.

From the Federal Environmental, Technological and Atomic Supervisory Service (Rostekhnadzor) website.

The accident caused an oil spill, releasing at least 40 tonnes (39 long tons; 44 short tons) of transformer oil which spread over 80 km (50 mi) downstream of Yenisei.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

This site is not available in Russia.

In any case, the accident was not due to the explosion of a transformer in the engine room or next to the turbine.
Try to build a cause and effect relationship. Even the parking lot next to the station was destroyed, but this does not mean that the parking lot caused the accident and was located directly next to the turbine.
I hope that you have finished talking about Russia at this point and return to the topic of the thread.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

This site is not available in Russia.

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Site isn't available in Germany either.
Myst be a lot of good propaganda on it

originally posted by: RussianTroll
In any case, the accident was not due to the explosion of a transformer in the engine room or next to the turbine.

Who cares? The point, again, is that the transformers were located on site unlike your dopey claim that they weren't.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

You get angry and turn to insults. This is unworthy of a real man.
Farewell.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
You get angry and turn to insults.

No one insulted you, despite you posting clear untruths.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I hope that you have finished talking about Russia at this point and return to the topic of the thread.

I'm not sure you understand what the topic of this thread even is. You seem quite confused. The topic of the thread you started is: "The blown-up dams of the USA are the way to the world concentration camp." You do realize that is a nonsensical statement, right? First, there are no "blown up dams" in the US. Second, there is no "world concentration camp." Your thread is complete nonsense. It's not that you are claiming something that is arguable. It literally makes no sense. It's a non sequitur. If that's the best you can do, why even bother? You are wasting everyone's time.

a reply to: schuyler

" They " dont care if the story is rubbish , the propaganda mission is to shape perceptions, but Russians rely repetive storys that dont have to include fact-cheking necessarily, i guess the idea behind is that they believe some people will believe all or part, and so they just keep doing it .


Reenvisioning Russian Propaganda: Media Decentralization and the Use of Social Networks as a Means to Government Continuity

3 Rapid, Continuous, and Repetitive Putin’s regime has modernized the propaganda machine enough that it is constantly producing information and is very responsive to events. Propagandists do not care much for facts or objectivity in Russian media and it has been shown that fact-checking is not a priority.29 The “news” they provide is based on whispers and rumors; this is why they are so quick to cover news worthy events.30 There are also issues associated with this lack of commitment to objectivity or fact-checking.

4 No Commitment to Objective Reality Mentioned previously, Russian propagandists do not care for objectivity or facts in their production of information. This does not mean all information produced by propagandists is false; the opposite, actually. A significant proportion of the information they produce “contains a significant fraction of the truth.”39 However, that does not mean the information is credible or objective; especially when facts and stories are wholly created.

The Russian "Firehose of Falsehood" Propaganda Model

a reply to: RussianTroll

But, there aren't any "blown up dams" so your claim about this non event leading to a "world concentration camp" is doubly rotten?

No insult made or intended, just giving you a dose of reality.