Friedrich Engels, the Skripal case and liberal democracy

Hello ATS!

Sorry for not being on the forum for a long time - I traveled to Moscow on business. There were shootings of two programs on TV, where I was the main guest, participated in several meetings of my organization, solved current problems, participated in several brainstorming sessions. Now back home and decided to write this thread.

So.

From 1883 to 1885 there were 13 terrorist bombings in London. Explosions in the editorial office of the newspaper "Times", two explosions in the subway, an explosion at the station "Victoria". May 30, 1884: Explosion at Scotland Yard. A bomb was detonated in Parliament.

Who was blamed for the attacks? That's right, Russians.

On January 29, 1885, Friedrich Engels burst out with the article "Imperial Russian real secret advisers dynamite" in the magazine Der Sozialdemokrat:

“I have no reason to doubt that the London bombings of January 24, 1885 were the work of Russia ... Everyone knows that official Russia does not retreat before any means, if only they lead to the goal ... About what can make official Russia to eliminate those who interfere with it with the help of poison, a dagger, etc., enough examples are given by the history of the Balkan Peninsula over the past hundred years ... "

Engels reveals Russia's motives for committing terrible crimes effortlessly:

"The Russian government is using all means to conclude agreements with the Western European states on the extradition of Russian revolutionaries émigrés."

Simply put, the attacks are a way to put pressure on the British government to extradite Russian terrorists who were hiding in London to Russia. (Nothing has changed since then).

"Elementary Watson!" the famous London detective would have exclaimed. And his colleagues did not disappoint. Not going along with Engels, Scotland Yard found the real organizers of the explosions - the Irish nationalists. The police found the manufacturers of clockwork that were placed on the fuses - they turned out to be from the United States. The police found dynamite suppliers - they were from different countries, but none of them had anything to do with Russia. The Clan na Gael organization tried to terrorize the population of England in order to force the British government to grant Ireland the right to independence.

Under the article of Engels, his senior colleague, Karl Marx, who was distinguished by a special Russophobia, would certainly have signed. But he died shortly before the attacks. However, there were always enough people who wanted to pin any explosions, disasters, and even poisonings on the Russians (in our time, the "Skripal case") even without Marx.

By the way, how Western political technologists of the early 20th century managed to instill in Russia an ideology directed against the Russian people is an interesting study. But right now the same ideologists of communism are planting this ideology in the countries of the West, while hating the peoples of these countries.

World International 2.0 is now trying to take revenge in the East, in Russia. Moreover, the West has no other methods, except for primitive propaganda. I want to tell you, dear members of our forum, how, according to the plan of the West, Western communist propaganda is taking place in Russia.

All Western propaganda is designed for inadequate people who are not able to admire other people, respect other people's achievements, and believe that to be free means to force everyone with your "free" opinion, because it is the only true and most free. Naturally, the inadequate are incapable of self-criticism and are completely devoid of gratitude.

You can save them, feed them, support them, and they will look for mistakes in you and prove that you are a scoundrel and an abuser. Too many of them treat their parents like cattle. Envy and resentment corrode the remnants of their undeveloped personality. The realization that someone has more money, success, respect, causes such acute pain, because the inadequate believe that they are the best, the freest, deserve all the best.

The problems of their behavior are widely described in psychology (the effect of a bucket of crabs, the Dunning-Kruger effect, the Lake-Wabegon effect) and psychiatry (in fact, the hallmark of many patients is high self-esteem, reduced intelligence, inability to critically evaluate their judgments, the idea of ​​others as mindless monsters, constantly plotting).

Even when a normal person is dissatisfied with this or that decision of the leadership, he argues politely and sensibly, admits that he can be wrong, and that he probably does not have enough qualifications to evaluate all the pros and cons. When a normal person sees that someone has done something very important and useful, he is aware of this and says: "Thank you."

With inadequate such in principle does not happen. He thinks that freedom is the right to behave like an aggressive, ungrateful beast.

Such is democracy. Special regards to my British fan club.))))

Thank you.

a reply to: RussianTroll

Good to see that you are back and normal service has resumed.👍
Some of us were beginning to think that you might have been consigned to a prolonged holiday in deepest, darkest Siberia.

a reply to: Freeborn

Siberia is a wonderful place. I was visiting my friend at Lake Baikal. This is something amazing. Beauty is endless. In winter, we drove in a jeep for almost 1000 kilometers on the ice of the lake, got to the hot springs in the north of Baikal and bathed in them at a frost of 30 degrees Celsius.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: Freeborn

Siberia is a wonderful place. I was visiting my friend at Lake Baikal. This is something amazing. Beauty is endless. In winter, we drove in a jeep for almost 1000 kilometers on the ice of the lake, got to the hot springs in the north of Baikal, and bathed in them at a frost of 30 degrees Celsius.

Did you perhaps see the famed "Humanoids from the deep" of Lake Baikal?



anomalien.com...

A myriad of unique plant and animal species inhabit the frigid territory, many of which exist nowhere else in the world. Scientists estimate this massive basin formed as an ancient rift valley more than twenty-five million years ago.

For centuries, Lake Baikal has been home to a plethora of unexplained phenomena. Locals claim countless peculiar UFO encounters frequently occur within this remote region of Russia. Some theorize an extraterrestrial base is lurking beneath the picturesque exterior.

One of the most bizarre reports occurred in 1982 during a routine Soviet military training dive. While navigating the foreboding aquatic realm, Navy personnel noticed anomalous figures swimming nearby.

Perplexed, they watched in bewilderment as several curious creatures approached them. Despite being stationed at a depth of over one hundred and sixty-four feet, these humanoids wore no modern equipment.

Each donned tight-fitting metallic suits complete with a helmet-like apparatus completely covering their heads. Upon closer inspection, troopers noticed the aliens were nearly ten feet tall. However, the colossal loch-dwellers soon disappeared back into the murky abyss.

Following this eerie run-in, the intrigued commander ordered his recruits to capture a subaqueous alien. Seven Scuba divers entered the glacial lake and began their harrowing descent. Soon after navigating an elevator of declining temperatures, multiple entities emerged. One frogman attempted to catch the unearthly specimen in a large net.

a reply to: RussianTroll

Not a word about the fact that Russian state runs massive propaganda network around World, instead you just like to point out how West is doing it.

The Russian run Trojan horse ( propaganda) has been going on for decades in West , doing it`s harm .

You seems to allways play the " Russians are victim" narrative

a reply to: Kenzo

Ok, let's take the "Western narrative" that the West is trying to instill in Russia. He is popular among a small stratum of Russian society, hipsters and idlers, who consider the West to be paradise, their homeland to be hell, and their people to be cattle. According to the Western narrative, they are trying to make a revolution in Russia.

Any revolution is dead without money.

One has only to dig some kind of mass "popular" protest, as we immediately find the protruding ears of the Western beneficiary.

If you think there is a problem in your country, make a revolution. And you will understand that there really were no problems in the country.

Among the fighters for freedom of speech, such despotism creeps out that you are simply surprised. Back in 2011, I was amazed at this to the core:

A. Let Russia fall apart, if only Putin left me! He's been sitting there for too long, he's tired of it.

That is, people do not have complaints about the method of leadership of the president, for whom they did not vote - which is normal, but such a childish "tired". The country and the fate of the people do not care.

B. If you vote for Putin, then when we come to power, we will hang you and your bastards (they are about my daughter and little grandson) on the lanterns.

But what about “I do not agree with your opinion, but I am ready to die so that you can express your opinion” (c)? In response - hysteria and squealing about the "Kremlebotism", "Putin's bedding" and other list.

C. Take away, divide and mass executions are very popular slogans among the "admirers of the West", primarily because many believe that they will take away, divide and shoot, not them.

Our neighbors (Ukraine) will not let you lie - after a series of Maidans, the richest country of the Soviet Union turned into what it turned into.

And it would seem, yes?

a reply to: RussianTroll

Sorry for not being on the forum for a long time - I traveled to Moscow on business.

How is Vlad , happy with your work ?

All Western propaganda is designed for inadequate people who are not able to admire other people, respect other people's achievements, and believe that to be free means to force everyone with your "free" opinion, because it is the only true and most free. Naturally, the inadequate are incapable of self-criticism and are completely devoid of gratitude.

To be free means having the freedom of speech , thought and choice , something Russia is sadly devoid of.

By the way, how Western political technologists of the early 20th century managed to instill in Russia an ideology directed against the Russian people is an interesting study.But right now the same ideologists of communism are planting this ideology in the countries of the West, while hating the peoples of these countries.

Indeed they are RT and aren't they doing it well ,although hating people you don't know seems a bit xenophobic .... we tend to hate those making the decisions in other countries not those who are bound by those decisions , but each to their own I guess.

Even when a normal person is dissatisfied with this or that decision of the leadership, he argues politely and sensibly, admits that he can be wrong, and that he probably does not have enough qualifications to evaluate all the pros and cons.

And then gets 7 years in prison.

a reply to: gortex

I advise you to re-read the comments under my previous thread, and any sane person will understand that I am writing the right things here.
I would never allow myself to write such nasty things and bullying to another person.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
Hello ATS!

Sorry for not being on the forum for a long time - I traveled to Moscow on business. There were shootings of two programs on TV, where I was the main guest, participated in several meetings of my organization, solved current problems, participated in several brainstorming sessions. Now back home and decided to write this thread.

So.

From 1883 to 1885 there were 13 terrorist bombings in London. Explosions in the editorial office of the newspaper "Times", two explosions in the subway, an explosion at the station "Victoria". May 30, 1884: Explosion at Scotland Yard. A bomb was detonated in Parliament.

Who was blamed for the attacks? That's right, Russians.

On January 29, 1885, Friedrich Engels burst out with the article "Imperial Russian real secret advisers dynamite" in the magazine Der Sozialdemokrat:

“I have no reason to doubt that the London bombings of January 24, 1885 were the work of Russia ... Everyone knows that official Russia does not retreat before any means, if only they lead to the goal ... About what can make official Russia to eliminate those who interfere with it with the help of poison, a dagger, etc., enough examples are given by the history of the Balkan Peninsula over the past hundred years ... "

Engels reveals Russia's motives for committing terrible crimes effortlessly:

"The Russian government is using all means to conclude agreements with the Western European states on the extradition of Russian revolutionaries émigrés."

Simply put, the attacks are a way to put pressure on the British government to extradite Russian terrorists who were hiding in London to Russia. (Nothing has changed since then).

"Elementary Watson!" the famous London detective would have exclaimed. And his colleagues did not disappoint. Not going along with Engels, Scotland Yard found the real organizers of the explosions - the Irish nationalists. The police found the manufacturers of clockwork that were placed on the fuses - they turned out to be from the United States. The police found dynamite suppliers - they were from different countries, but none of them had anything to do with Russia. The Clan na Gael organization tried to terrorize the population of England in order to force the British government to grant Ireland the right to independence.

Under the article of Engels, his senior colleague, Karl Marx, who was distinguished by a special Russophobia, would certainly have signed. But he died shortly before the attacks. However, there were always enough people who wanted to pin any explosions, disasters, and even poisonings on the Russians (in our time, the "Skripal case") even without Marx.

By the way, how Western political technologists of the early 20th century managed to instill in Russia an ideology directed against the Russian people is an interesting study. But right now the same ideologists of communism are planting this ideology in the countries of the West, while hating the peoples of these countries.

World International 2.0 is now trying to take revenge in the East, in Russia. Moreover, the West has no other methods, except for primitive propaganda. I want to tell you, dear members of our forum, how, according to the plan of the West, Western communist propaganda is taking place in Russia.

All Western propaganda is designed for inadequate people who are not able to admire other people, respect other people's achievements, and believe that to be free means to force everyone with your "free" opinion, because it is the only true and most free. Naturally, the inadequate are incapable of self-criticism and are completely devoid of gratitude.

You can save them, feed them, support them, and they will look for mistakes in you and prove that you are a scoundrel and an abuser. Too many of them treat their parents like cattle. Envy and resentment corrode the remnants of their undeveloped personality. The realization that someone has more money, success, respect, causes such acute pain, because the inadequate believe that they are the best, the freest, deserve all the best.

The problems of their behavior are widely described in psychology (the effect of a bucket of crabs, the Dunning-Kruger effect, the Lake-Wabegon effect) and psychiatry (in fact, the hallmark of many patients is high self-esteem, reduced intelligence, inability to critically evaluate their judgments, the idea of ​​others as mindless monsters, constantly plotting).

Even when a normal person is dissatisfied with this or that decision of the leadership, he argues politely and sensibly, admits that he can be wrong, and that he probably does not have enough qualifications to evaluate all the pros and cons. When a normal person sees that someone has done something very important and useful, he is aware of this and says: "Thank you."

With inadequate such in principle does not happen. He thinks that freedom is the right to behave like an aggressive, ungrateful beast.

Such is democracy. Special regards to my British fan club.))))

Thank you.

Such a thought-provoking thread on an early Sunday morning, as intriguing as your post is, and it really is, is the perchance a place where we could see your interviews?

Secondly, I would say there is a difference between knowing your history and learning from it, to not ever evolving from the 18th or 19th-century dogma.

Lastly, perhaps give the Brits a break they had a lot go down from the 1770s onwards

www.historic-uk.com...

1801 – Irish Act of Union unites Britain and Ireland.

TrafalgarBattle of Trafalgar, 1805

1805 – Victory for Nelson at the Battle of Trafalgar allows the Royal Navy to have control of the seas.
1806 – Cape of Good Hope occupied by the British.
1807 – Prohibition of shipment of slaves in British ships or to British colonies.
1813 – English East India Company lost its trading monopoly with India.
1816 – The Congress of Vienna was yet another attempt to establish peaceful terms between European powers. Britain returned Dutch and French colonies.
1819 – Singapore founded by Sir Stamford Raffles.
1821 – Sierra Leone, Gambia and the Gold Coast form British West Africa.
1833 – The abolition of slavery throughout the British Empire.
1839 – The Opium Wars between China and Britain, resulting from the trade of opium leading to widespread addictions. As a result the trade was forbidden in China and any opium found was destroyed. The British viewed this as an attack on free trade and destruction of British property; thus war ensued.
1841 – Britain occupied the island of Hong Kong.

NankingTreaty of Nanking, 1842

1842 – Treaty of Nanking concluded the Opium Wars and ceded Hong Kong to the British.
1843 – Maori revolt against British rule in New Zealand.
1853 – Construction of railways in India.
1858 – East India Company dissolved.
1870 – British troops were withdrawn from Australia, New Zealand and Canada.

VictoriaHer Imperial Majesty Queen Victoria, Queen of Great Britain and Ireland, Empress of India

1876 – Queen Victoria took the title Empress of India.
1878 – Occupation of Cyprus.
1800 – The First Boer War between the British and the South African Republic.
1889 – The British South Africa Co. Royal Charter was awarded; Rhodesia established.
1894 – Uganda became a protectorate.
1895 – The Jameson Raid, an unsuccessful raid by the British against the Transvaal Republic.

a reply to: RussianTroll

This is disjointed babble.

You go from a story about false claims against Russians in 1800’s Britain, to the fact weak hearted and minded people exist who can’t bear to see others succeed and try to tie liberal democracy in to it through the title.

Yeah, what a slam dunk.

I also heard you’re not even Russian. Grew up in Azerbaijan didn’t ya?

a reply to: putnam6

When these two programs are released, I will send you links to them in private messages. I know that anonymity is encouraged on the forum. Naturally, I would ask not to publish them on the forum for the same reason.
By the way, these are far from the first TV programs with my participation. If you are interested in the topic of unfounded accusations of pedophilia of Orthodox priests, then I can send my TV programs on this topic.
Only programs are in Russian, but modern browsers have the function of automatic translation, both with subtitles and voice.

a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

I understand that you are an Australian. So why do you write, speak and communicate in English instead of Australian?

a reply to: RussianTroll

Exactly. I call myself Australian, not British.

What is ‘Australian’ in terms of language anyway? Our colloquial version of the English language or one of the thousands of native languages.

a reply to: RussianTroll


Dude...just fix your own country mess before writing these lectures to us. The West has many issues and problems, like climate change idiocy, covid lockdowns etc etc...If you read what others write here, many complain so many issues in Western countrys. But Russia is another mess , with stronger totalitarian grip, where you cant even say the name war without the risk of getting to prison for many years.

You just repeat the mantra , West bad Russia better ....and i call it bs, because as of 2022 Russia is itself the biggest problem to Russia itself, not the West. You been brainwashed to be ultra paranoid , and same time feel victimised all the time...you cant see " the cause and effect" meaning when Russia started wars on neighbour countrys , World reacted to it...cause and effect ..combination of action and reaction. You are feeding this all by yourself, but are unable to see in the mirror.

If it was just your internal problem, i would not care ....But you keep on doing all kind of things outside Russia,and writing these essays in internet .

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: putnam6

When these two programs are released, I will send you links to them in private messages. I know that anonymity is encouraged on the forum. Naturally, I would ask not to publish them on the forum for the same reason.
By the way, these are far from the first TV programs with my participation. If you are interested in the topic of unfounded accusations of pedophilia of Orthodox priests, then I can send my TV programs on this topic.
Only programs are in Russian, but modern browsers have the function of automatic translation, both with subtitles and voice.

Of course, I'm here to discuss and learn a little bit, Russia is a fascinating country. As a child of the '70s was always intrigued by the Cold War era, and all things associated. I recall the Francis Gary Powers incident and remember hearing the western version and not hearing the Soviet/Russian side till much later. Forget even the human aspects though, the importance of Siberia and Lake Baikal it's so vast and unexplored is it not?

a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

You can call yourself even an alien from Alpha Centauri, even an elf, even a troglotid. But you speak and think in English, you have English culture, morals and traditions. You can't fool nature.

a reply to: putnam6

You missed out the big one from your list. The Napoleonic Wars 1803-15.

And the War Of 1812 of course.

a reply to: RussianTroll

Of course we share cultural traits with England. We do with a lot of other places too. And?

You can call me a ‘troglotid’ if you like.

a reply to: putnam6

Russians know much more about Western peoples than Western peoples about Russians. This is reality.
As for Powers, he flew a U-2 reconnaissance aircraft at very high altitudes. Then the Russian fighters could not get these planes, and they felt unpunished. On May 1, 1960, there were May Day demonstrations in the USSR, including in Moscow. Powers violated the airspace, flew to the Urals and flew towards Moscow. Then the air defense missile forces shot him down. The pilot ejected and surrendered.
He was sentenced by the court to 10 years in prison, but after 1.5 years he was exchanged for the legendary Soviet intelligence officer Rudolf Abel.
After that, the flights of American aircraft over the territory of the USSR ceased.

a reply to: gortex

In Alabama, a court commuted the sentence of Alvin Kennard, who was sentenced to life in prison for stealing $50 from a bakery. Served only 36 years of that term