The Ukrainian army is murdering the Donbass children with the help & approval of the west

a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

That's bs and you know it. Russia invaded because the west did nothing to stop Ukraine from killing its own people.

That's absolute #e.
Russia invaded because Putin has delusions of grandeur, is a narcissist and a megalomaniac.
He dreams of being remembered as Vladimir the Great.
Russia invaded because Putin refuses to recognise or respect Ukraine as a nation and its independence.

Why? Because eastern Ukraine like crimea no longer wanted to be part of Ukraine.

More bollocks swallowed verbatim by the Putin acolytes and apologists.

I dont know why you come to these forums, it must just be to troll, because you buy EVERY bit of crap from western msm on every single subject. Every subject.

And you want to believe and repeat EVERY bit of crap from the Russian propaganda machine.

a reply to: Freeborn

And you want to believe and repeat EVERY bit of crap from the Russian propaganda machine.

No kidding..a ten ton hammer of irony!!

a reply to: Kurokage

You mean the same sovereign state that is being used by US and UK as a tool agaisnt Russia by using Ukraine as a proxy client state to use it agaisnt Russia by Western countries like ours?


And some usual suspects in some of here still believable that the fight in Ukraine is all about Freedom, Democracy...

a reply to: Freeborn

Russia attacked Ukraine, because Ukraine kept breaking the Minsk Agreements kept bombing the provinces of Donbass for the past 8 years.

a reply to: Freeborn

Do you still believe that Ukraine is a beacon of freedom and democracy? i suggest you look back a few years before the Ukrainian conflict.

The Ukrainian police wont help you if you are a minority.

a reply to: Freeborn

More bollocks swallowed verbatim by the Putin acolytes and apologists.

And you truly believe that all of Ukraine wanted to be part of NATO and the New World Order EU? quiet the bollocks nonsense.

The only ones that kept pushing Ukraine into EU/NATO are the politicians that were pushed in after the regime changes.

a reply to: Freeborn

The fact is you do not understand the history of the Eastern Ukrainian people let alone that many there have Russian roots.

To say that its bollocks eastern Ukraine like Crimea no longer wanted to be part of Ukraine. Shows how much you know when it comes to Eastern Ukraine and Crimea.

The Pro American/EU governments in Kiev removed rights for those that had a Russian speaking background and history.

a reply to: andy06shake

Ah according to the Ukrainian ministry of defense sources i assume?

The Russia lost approximately 200,000 men

They got there arses handed to them in the snow by Finland comparatively speaking. LoL

The Ukrainians are losing more soldiers each day its a given why they are withdrawing despite them being trained by NATO for the past 8/9 years.

a reply to: vNex92

Russia attacked Ukraine, because Ukraine kept breaking the Minsk Agreements kept bombing the provinces of Donbass for the past 8 years.

Just another lie in an attempt to justify the invasion of a non-threatening independent nation......a nation whose neutrality and borders Russia had sworn to respect and protect in The Budapest Memorandum. A country it had pledged never to invade.

Moscow had been funding Russian Militia's throughout Luhansk and Donetsk for years. These Militia's had been attacking Ukrainian government installations and threatening, intimidating and terrorising non-Russian ethnic Ukrainians in their own homeland for quite some time.
That is why the Ukrainian government took military action throughout the region - The Kremlin had deliberately been agitating and provoking trying to create a situation where it could 'justify' an invasion.

Putin has repeatedly stated he doesn't recognise Ukrainian nationality and independence and considers both the land and the people Russian.

But you know all that....you just choose to ignore it as it runs contrary to the official Putin line.

a reply to: vNex92

Do you still believe that Ukraine is a beacon of freedom and democracy?

Not at all, when have I ever said that?
Please provide quotes.

The Ukrainian police wont help you if you are a minority.

And The Russian Police will?
How does any of that justify this invasion and all the killing?

And you truly believe that all of Ukraine wanted to be part of NATO and the New World Order EU?

Not sure about NWO stuff.
I very much doubt 'all' of Ukraine wanted to be part of NATO or the EU....but it seems the majority did.

Shame NATO turned them down form membership....twice.

Personally I don't see the attraction of the EU....but obviously others do.

The only ones that kept pushing Ukraine into EU/NATO are the politicians that were pushed in after the regime changes

Yet they were refused membership, of both organisations.

To say that its bollocks eastern Ukraine like Crimea no longer wanted to be part of Ukraine.

58% of people in Luhansk and Donetsk are Ukrainian and their families have lived their for generations.
48% are of Russian origin.....most were forcibly moved their during Stalin's industrialisation programmes and as such they tend live in the industrialised urban centres.

The 'referendum' held was a farce; even Putin was reluctant to recognise the result because he knew it lacked any credibility whatsoever.

a reply to: vNex92

The fact is you do not understand the history of the Eastern Ukrainian people let alone that many there have Russian roots.

Gee, I wonder why that is?..could it be, Russia has been invading the Ukraine for centuries now

a reply to: vNex92

Ah according to the Ukrainian ministry of defense sources i assume?

According to history, so as usual you presume wrong.

The Ukrainians are losing more soldiers each day its a given why they are withdrawing despite them being trained by NATO for the past 8/9 years.

Its a given that Russia cant hold Ukraine.

Even if they managed to somehow occupy the entire nation military doctrine dictates they would require about 2.5 million troops stationed there to hold sway over the place which is about 9 times the size of Ireland.

Can you guess why i used Ireland as a comparison?

Because that would be Russia's troubles in spades methinks.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: Kurokage

Things like this shelling wouldn't have happened if Mad Vlad had keep his troops in his own country,

This has been going on for 8 years.

Russia invaded because Ukraine refused to stop shelling Donbas.

Feb 5, 2022

"We are given so much weaponry not because as some say : west is helping us"
"Because we perform the tasks of the West"
"because we have fun, we have fun killing and we have fun fighting"
"We are the flagmen here, Because we have started a war that has not been seen for 60 years"

Wait...russia said originally they invaded to de nazify the ukraine,not for donbas. So which is it?
Anyway. its a shame a innocent in enemy territory has died. Wouldnt had if russia would had not perpetuated a civil war in donbas with pro russian infiltrators who want to be putins cucks.

You better go back and listen to the reasons for the invasion from day 1, it's for easy to find and has been posted on here many times.

Wait...russia said originally they invaded to de nazify the ukraine,not for donbas. So which is it?

Your above quote tells me you are very uneducated on the matter

a reply to: MisguidedAngel

Putin invaded Ukraine under the pretense of hunting the Nazi after telling porky pies about military exercises on the border of Ukraine being of no concern.

As to the reasons for the invasion, it was a land grab in an attempt to return his piss-poor beloved Russia to some kind of semblance of the former USSR.

And what did he win, simply to drive the likes of Sweden and Finland into the arms of NATO and a new border to defend twice the size of the one before.

Well done Vladimir smart thinking, sheer stable genius.

a reply to: MisguidedAngel

The people to blame and hold accountable for tragedies like this are the cowards who use civilian infrastructure to hide, stockpile or convene. They are no better than when the Muslim jihadists were filling the mosque with women and children - while storing weapons and sheltering troops. To blame the enemy for destroying such locations while giving the people who put the innocent civilians in harm's way a free pass is absurd. It is nothing more than narrative control - emotional propaganda.

I feel terrible for all of the innocent people harmed or killed during this campaign. Ukraine has to stop putting it's civilians in harm's way. Fight outside the cities on a battlefield or evacuate the areas around where you are storing supplies, men or holding high level meetings. They all know that those are legitimate targets - keep the civilians away.

Nobody is the good guy in this situation. It's not sports teams, they're all the bad guy.

a reply to: vNex92

I suppose Russia is a beacon of democracy?

originally posted by: MiddleInsite
War is hell. That's why people try and avoid it.

We all know children will be killed when there is a war. We can't even keep our children safe in their classrooms, how in the world would you figure children would be safe during a war?

originally posted by: andy06shake
War is hell, kids die on both sides down to the very nature of the beast in question same as everybody else that happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time during such conflicts.

It's usually the people who have never known the horrors of war who excuse atrocities with the old adage "war is hell". They're the same insensitive people who repeat senseless babble like: it's all for the best, all is fair in war, war has its own laws, in war anything is permitted, etc. None of that is true, what people carry out in their conflicts is obviously very unjust and unreasonable. If they were employed by a regime, they'd probably resort to the same excuse provided by Wehrmacht veterans and Eichmann: "I was just following orders."

In war, there's always been supranational laws observed long before lawgivers formulated and transcribed these laws into the written word, from time immemorial, from Phinehas to Epiphanes, Titus, and Churchill, namely: the principle of putting only enemy leaders to death and pardoning their subjects.

Most people shun war because it robs them of their personal peace, not because its appalling. As soon as a nation is made out to be the world's enemy, nearly everybody who caviled against war was suddenly all for it. After Pearl Harbor, Jeannette Rankin was the only member of Congress to vote against the war and the only prominent pacifist who remained true to her principles.

As for children, it was their forefathers who threw them into this hell to begin with. They're not in the wrong place at the wrong time, they're exactly where they ought to be. This is the hell that they shaped for themselves and now they're going to have to wade through it.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Sorry carpy i meant to reply to hjesterium.

My bad. LoL

a reply to: hjesterium

Well good luck with the senseless babble hjesterium.

Like i suggest war is indeed hell, and appalling in the extreme.

If in doubt go ask the poor homeless ex squaddies sitting on the streets begging with half a McDonalds cup in their paws.

Same sods that cannot even get a council house, decent prosthetic limbs, or access to the mental health services they require, when they return from fighting for the bankers in pieces both mentally and physically.

Unless you are fighting to defend your own shores probably best to stay home and live your own life as opposed to traveling to far-off lands at the bequest of the bankers mainly to kill brown people and destroy their lives.

As it seldom bodes well for the indigenous population or the soldiers.