Heaven, UFOs, and the Tachyon Universe

a reply to: cooperton

Holy Lorentz Invarience Batman!

I dare you to post this at Stack Exchange.

So if I have you correctly:

Paranormal things are made of tachyons, and exist in tachyon universe that intelligently bridges into our reality?

Consider a being that exists in this dimension, being unrestrained by time or space due to its ability to surpass the speed of light. It would be able to appear spontaneously on a mountaintop, fly at speeds that are impossible for human technology.

So technically you wouldn't be seeing the superluminal spirit being but a double image of it. You see it's red and blue shifted remnants.

Even theoretical tachyons can't slow down. They can pass you faster than your observation can note and then split into two moving residual images.

Not going to discount what you're driving at though. There are several that have tried to bridge the physical and metaphysical.

I once read about this concept called the "acausal universe" by some British dude. Showed up on a random metaphysics search.

Here is an excerpt. I feel it's similar in its goals of explaining weird things that happen.

I. Some Notes On The Theory of The Acausal

In respect of the theory of the acausal, [1] the terms acausality and acausal refer to ‘acausal space and acausal time’. That is, and in the context of this theory, both terms refer to a posited continuum different from the causal continuum of observed phenomena; which causal continuum has been described in terms of a four-dimensional space-time; and knowledge of and understanding about which causal continuum can be obtained by means of sciences such as physics, astronomy, and chemistry.

Essentially, therefore, acausality – as part of such a formal theory – is an axiom, a logical assumption, not a belief. This axiom about the nature of the cosmos is one that derives not from the five Aristotelian essentials that determine the scientific method, but from the intuition of empathy [2] and from deductions relating to observations of living beings.

The latter point about life is crucial to understanding both why the axiom has been made and what it may logically imply. That is, a theory is proposed about the nature of known life – about why and how a living being differs from a non-living being. Currently, science cannot explain what makes ordinary matter – the stuff of physics and chemistry – alive, and why for instance a living being, a biological entity, does not obey one of Newton’s laws nor the axiom of entropy (the second law of thermodynamics).

A living being, for example, can change – grow and move – without any external physical (Newtonian) force being applied to it. In short, living beings do not behave in the same way as ordinary physical matter does, be such matter a star, a galaxy, a rock, or a chemical element interacting with another chemical element.

The acausal theory thus proposes that living beings possess what is termed acausal energy – that it is this acausal energy which in some way animates, or which presences in, a biological cell to make that cell behave in a different way than when that cell is dead. That it is such acausal energy – emanating from, or having its genesis in, a posited acausal continuum – which gives to ordinary physical matter the attribute we term life, and which thus enables a living organism (in contradistinction to ordinary matter) to, and for example, reproduce itself, be sensitive to, or aware of, its environment, and move without any external (Newtonian) force being applied to it.

originally posted by: Peeple

If you talk about Nephilim there it's the same story, those you condemn gave us mining. Geometry.

The founding of civilizations was a big fork for humanity. The Hebrews supposed the nomadic lifestyle was ideal, whereas, for example, the Egyptians supposed sedentary civilization was ideal. Both the Hebrews and Egyptians refer to Seth (Set) as the son of Adam (Atum). But the distinction is that the Egyptians supposed that Seth was counter-productive, because he was a wanderer rather than an empire-builder. The Hebrews thought the opposite, they supposed Seth was great for being a nomad, rather than a builder of Babylon. Don't get me wrong, I love the luxuries that I have here in the civilized world, but there is unavoidable stress and anxiety due to living a lifestyle that is dependent upon external factors. If we can indeed move mountains with faith, then why would I need a bulldozer?

God wants you to suffer. I think that's the issue why you keep hoping for Jesus.

With hope there is no suffering, only inevitability. How would I enjoy my birthright of the limitless conscious frontier if I wasn't first exposed to temporal limitations and scarcity?

Because deep down you know, because he loves you he wants you to suffer. There's no evil in that. Just as it is our job from time to time to argue for better conditions and more time.

Good point. To use an example, while I was growing up my dad ensured me that there would be great rewards for pushing myself to the limit for the sake of athletics. There was. If it were easy, and required no effort, then there would be no accolade in the endeavor whatsoever.

However I guarantee you those are seperate issues, from the story of the Tachyons.
Because to me a God would be the encompassing intelligence, the management of our universe, this one. ...wait a minute #...
They would still be part of this universe, right lol

Plato made a good argument that there is an unchanging eternal realm, and then a changing temporary realm. The temporary was made from the blueprint of the eternal. I think that is this distinction between the two possible universes.

Because different does not equal superior.

Interestingly, the fallen gave up their lofty position for some attractive wives here on earth. I think Adam and Eve essentially made the same "mistake". I guess there's no going back when you make that transition. Perhaps your consciousness gets too tainted to be able to return to the pure state that you came from. But now there is a karmic buffer who can remove the blemishes from our consciousness and allow us to begin to transition into heavenly states.

originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: cooperton

Holy Lorentz Invarience Batman!

Don't worry, Tachyons don't violate relativity theory

originally posted by: Degradation33

Even theoretical tachyons can't slow down. They can pass you faster than your observation can note and then split into two moving residual images.

Well we have never observed them, it is all theoretical. According to the Lorentz transformation though, if an object reaches the speed of light it quite literally disappears. So a Tachyon manifesting in this world would be the opposite: a "being" that reduces it's speed below the speed of light and spontaneously appears on our physical plane

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: Peeple

Anunnaki too? You really believe everything, don't you?

If it corroborates with multiple independent historical accounts, then it is likely to be actual history. It reads exactly like the story of the Nephilim. Our ancestors weren't as dumb as we were erroneously taught in school.

originally posted by: Justoneman
Thought provoking and I never thought of the concept used with Star Trek on Tachyons being real in that manner. I envisioned it as an energy release byproduct. I can see you put a good deal of thought into this. It is indeed interesting. Something allowed the fallen ones to be stuck here and I think you have a working theory. Realize that theories don't mean the science is settled. One day it could become a "law of nature", however.

Yeah it doesn't help that these other-worldly things are so elusive. Even if one managed to get captured by a government or whatever, I doubt we would ever get full disclosure on what it is. It can get really deep, given theories that suppose these extra-dimensional beings have major corporate and government control on the earth. The fallen apparently did it in the Genesis times.. no reason it wouldn't still be going on

To assume God is real here for those that don't, I can't help that, but consider this.

The mistake we humans are making is that the Fallen ones are trapped here for the rest of time. They don't get to leave and are the masters of this Earth. It certainly is those entities that have seemingly been released from their entrapment to roam the Earth one more time before their Judgement day. Perhaps the key to the abyss was CERN? I think they are out of their hole, and someone let them out on purpose.

a reply to: cooperton

Only in a vacuum.

What about Cherenkov radiation?

We already do things "faster than the speed of light".



Without medium though...

A charged tachyon traveling in a vacuum, therefore, undergoes a constant proper time acceleration and, by necessity, its world line forms a hyperbola in space-time. However reducing a tachyon's energy increases its speed, so that the single hyperbola formed is of two oppositely charged tachyons with opposite momenta (same magnitude, opposite sign) which annihilate each other when they simultaneously reach infinite speed at the same place in space. (At infinite speed, the two tachyons have no energy each and finite momentum of opposite direction, so no conservation laws are violated in their mutual annihilation. The time of annihilation is frame dependent.)

What about this thought experiment?

The problem can be understood in terms of the relativity of simultaneity in special relativity, which says that different inertial reference frames will disagree on whether two events at different locations happened "at the same time" or not, and they can also disagree on the order of the two events (technically, these disagreements occur when the spacetime interval between the events is 'space-like', meaning that neither event lies in the future light cone of the other).

If one of the two events represents the sending of a signal from one location and the second event represents the reception of the same signal at another location, then as long as the signal is moving at the speed of light or slower, the mathematics of simultaneity ensures that all reference frames agree that the transmission-event happened before the reception-event.[23] However, in the case of a hypothetical signal moving faster than light, there would always be some frames in which the signal was received before it was sent so that the signal could be said to have moved backward in time. Because one of the two fundamental postulates of special relativity says that the laws of physics should work the same way in every inertial frame, if it is possible for signals to move backward in time in any one frame, it must be possible in all frames. This means that if observer A sends a signal to observer B which moves faster than light in A's frame but backwards in time in B's frame, and then B sends a reply which moves faster than light in B's frame but backwards in time in A's frame, it could work out that A receives the reply before sending the original signal, challenging causality in every frame and opening the door to severe logical paradoxes.[24] This is known as the tachyonic antitelephone.

And it sounds like youre arguing 'tachyon' entities can transform into 'bradyon' entities, and make an appearance before zipping away. Tachyons don't play well with deterministic causality or relativity. Interacting in a medium would end in annihilation.

As an aside (relevance to god particles) look into The Higgs Field.

There is relevance to "imaginary fields" in creation according to physicists.

In the Standard Model, the Higgs field is a scalar tachyonic field – scalar meaning it does not transform under Lorentz transformations, and tachyonic meaning the field (but not the particle) has imaginary mass, and in certain configurations must undergo symmetry breaking. It consists of four components: Two neutral ones and two charged component fields. Both of the charged components and one of the neutral fields are Goldstone bosons, which act as the longitudinal third-polarisation components of the massive W+, W−, and Z bosons. The quantum of the remaining neutral component corresponds to (and is theoretically realised as) the massive Higgs boson.[157] This component can interact with fermions via Yukawa coupling to give them mass as well.

Mathematically, the Higgs field has imaginary mass and is therefore a tachyonic field.[158] While tachyons (particles that move faster than light) are a purely hypothetical concept, fields with imaginary mass have come to play an important role in modern physics.[159][160] Under no circumstances do any excitations ever propagate faster than light in such theories – the presence or absence of a tachyonic mass has no effect whatsoever on the maximum velocity of signals (there is no violation of causality).[161] Instead of faster-than-light particles, the imaginary mass creates an instability: Any configuration in which one or more field excitations are tachyonic must spontaneously decay, and the resulting configuration contains no physical tachyons. This process is known as tachyon condensation, and is now believed to be the explanation for how the Higgs mechanism itself arises in nature, and therefore the reason behind electroweak symmetry breaking.

And electroweak symmetry breaking is the alpha of all mass in our universe.

If a scaler tachyonic field is god then god needs a LOT of energy to do anything. And then will immediately decay into mass that can't transform back into a tachyonic field. There'd be gamma radiation everytime it interacted with our relativistic universe.

originally posted by: Degradation33
This means that if observer A sends a signal to observer B which moves faster than light in A's frame but backwards in time in B's frame, and then B sends a reply which moves faster than light in B's frame but backwards in time in A's frame, it could work out that A receives the reply before sending the original signal, challenging causality in every frame and opening the door to severe logical paradoxes.[24] This is known as the tachyonic antitelephone.

This would be the mechanism for how they would travel through time I suppose. If they dip their toes in our physical plane (bradyon universe) they can retreat, but if they full on jump in it seems as though they can drown in our material world so to speak. Mystics, prophets, and so on have apparently tapped into this universe. So it may be a little both, a melding of the two worlds. maybe the frames-per-second on our cerebral supercomputers can get so high that it can tap into these extra-dimensional realms.

"Truly, truly, I say to all of you, you will see the heaven opened, and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man." John 1:51

And it sounds like youre arguing 'tachyon' entities can transform into 'bradyon' entities, and make an appearance before zipping away. Tachyons don't play well with deterministic causality or relativity. If they breached into vacuum of space they annihilate themselves, and if they breach into a medium they lose energy as radiation at an expected rate.

The human body itself has unbelievable homeostatic mechanisms to accommodate different environments, if these entities do exist then they would likely also have some sort of ability to manifest in our physical world (bradyon universe)

If a scaler tachyonic field is god then god needs a LOT of energy to do anything. There'd be gamma radiation everytime it interacted with our relativistic universe.

Yeah people in ancient times were literally afraid to see God because they feared the death that was inevitable from his radiant presence. But, being God, there are ways around that. It also helps to have infinite energy at your disposal.

The idea that this theoretical universe is the spirit realm and therefore God's kingdom has no standing in Holy Scripture.

The kingdom that Jesus preached and the one that we are told to put first in our life, and the one that we are told to pray for to come to the earth, is a unique arrangement God has put in place to bring humankind back to perfect.

The kingdom was not put into place until 1914. In that year Jesus was installed king of God's kingdom government. He will soon bring that rulership to earth. It will cause sweeping reforms to humankind and all the earth. Firstly it will wage war with and destroy wicked humanity, put an end to all human rulership, imprison and abyss Satan and his wicked demons. Then it will begin undoing all the untold sorry and misery and destruction humankind has caused to this earth.

It will do away with all sickness, hunger, homelessness, and war. Humankind will be under the kingship of Jesus Christ. There will be no boundaries on earth, there will not be 10 thousand different false religions. There will only be the one pure language of truth, and everyone will know Jehovah. It will resurrect the untold dead back to life, those who did not know God will be taught about the kingdom and Jesus, and those who served God faithfully while alive will be resurrected to a resurrection of life. And then at the end of the 1,000 year reign Jesus will bring death to nothing, it will be destroyed, and all humankind will be perfected and given everlasting life.

After the 1,000 year rule of Christ he will relinquish authority over the earth and return the rulership back to his Father Jehovah God.

The kingdom will reign over the earth for 1,000 years. A very short period of time in the scheme of things. It is a real government in heaven. That kingdom government with Jesus Christ as its king is NO theoretical dimension. It is a ruling governing body with power and authority.

The ruling body over the earth today is Satan and his wicked demons and rebellious humans. For Jesus' kingdom to come, means a battle, between his forces and the Satan's forces. If that kingdom was already here Jesus would not have told us to pray for it to come. If it was already here, you would not see all the problems and the suffering we see today.

When Jesus told the crowds that the kingdom was in their midst, he was referring to himself. He was the chosen one, the king designate, that came in the line of David with the right to be king. But he did not begin ruling while he was on earth like the people expected or wanted. He rulership was to compass far more than just the land of Palestine in the middle east. It is a rulership over the whole earth from heaven.

Jehovah God lives outside the confines of our physical universe. And while you may think that other dimensions may explain the spiritual realm, it doesn't appear likely. God is not bound to any dimension in the physical realm. All the energy in our universe comes from Jehovah God who caused it to come into existence. The energy he possesses must be supernatural, beyond what we could comprehend, even ascribe to other dimensions in the physical universe.

originally posted by: Justoneman

The mistake we humans are making is that the Fallen ones are trapped here for the rest of time. They don't get to leave and are the masters of this Earth. It certainly is those entities that have seemingly been released from their entrapment to roam the Earth one more time before their Judgement day. Perhaps the key to the abyss was CERN? I think they are out of their hole, and someone let them out on purpose.

I wouldn't put it out of possibility. Maybe that's what eventually sparks Armageddon?? I would also bet, like you said, they're already here running the show to some degree, but Revelation sounds like a time when these beings will be exposed in the open performing miracles.

originally posted by: randomuser

Jehovah God lives outside the confines of our physical universe. And while you may think that other dimensions may explain the spiritual realm, it doesn't appear likely.

Not as though God's true 'form' or 'habitat' is speakable with humanly language, but when theoretical physics matches a lot of the descriptions that Jesus and the prophets have said about the heavenly realms, as well as heavenly visitations, then I think it is worthwhile to connect the dots

God is not bound to any dimension in the physical realm. All the energy in our universe comes from Jehovah God who caused it to come into existence. The energy he possesses must be supernatural, beyond what we could comprehend, even ascribe to other dimensions in the physical universe.

We are being taught by God though, I believe we will eventually come to full disclosure on the secrets of the universe

originally posted by: randomuser

The kingdom was not put into place until 1914.

"Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near."
Matthew 3:2

This was one of the first things Jesus began preaching during His ministry. The Kingdom He speaks of is already here, but is remains hidden to sinners.

a reply to: Justoneman

I dont know. What was learned at CERN validated this Higgs Field I speak of.

If you go way back to early epochs of the universe you arrive at electroweak epoch. 10 to the negative 36 seconds after the big bang the temperature had fallen enough for strong nuclear to separate from electroweak, but not yet enough for electromagnetism to separate from weak nuclear.

The temperature had fallen enough to give rise to subatomic particles. When the electroweak translation occured it was because The W and Z bosons could interact with the Higgs Field (Higgs mechanism) and break symmetry into "created mass". (Last post)

But if you want to see an absolute priori in physics, it's right there.

Why are there critical points (energy thresholds) for phase transition? Why are there preset critical temperatures for boson-mass coupling, the separation of forces, or for when atomic structure can capture electrons in atomic orbit?

Seems to be some rules that dominate how even these imaginary fields can exist that are beyond this universe. Just saying it became what it is like something with a base code.

And all the 'sciencing' in the world can only say, "because there just is or has to be".

Check twice, cut once.

originally posted by: Degradation33

And all the 'sciencing' in the world can only say, "because there just is or has to be".

Yeah thats why I think it's necessary to interpret the data to the overall picture. Gotta see the forest among the trees

originally posted by: Proto88
Check twice, cut once.

I agree, can you elaborate?

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: Justoneman

The mistake we humans are making is that the Fallen ones are trapped here for the rest of time. They don't get to leave and are the masters of this Earth. It certainly is those entities that have seemingly been released from their entrapment to roam the Earth one more time before their Judgement day. Perhaps the key to the abyss was CERN? I think they are out of their hole, and someone let them out on purpose.

I wouldn't put it out of possibility. Maybe that's what eventually sparks Armageddon?? I would also bet, like you said, they're already here running the show to some degree, but Revelation sounds like a time when these beings will be exposed in the open performing miracles.

originally posted by: randomuser

Jehovah God lives outside the confines of our physical universe. And while you may think that other dimensions may explain the spiritual realm, it doesn't appear likely.

Not as though God's true 'form' or 'habitat' is speakable with humanly language, but when theoretical physics matches a lot of the descriptions that Jesus and the prophets have said about the heavenly realms, as well as heavenly visitations, then I think it is worthwhile to connect the dots

God is not bound to any dimension in the physical realm. All the energy in our universe comes from Jehovah God who caused it to come into existence. The energy he possesses must be supernatural, beyond what we could comprehend, even ascribe to other dimensions in the physical universe.

We are being taught by God though, I believe we will eventually come to full disclosure on the secrets of the universe

originally posted by: randomuser

The kingdom was not put into place until 1914.

"Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near."
Matthew 3:2

This was one of the first things Jesus began preaching during His ministry. The Kingdom He speaks of is already here, but is remains hidden to sinners.

I understand what you're implying in the OP. Whatever the spirit realm is I do know that one day those who have been called to heaven will understand it fully, just as we are fully understood. For when we stand in God's presence and look him in his eyes, as spirit sons of God, then we will see him as he is:

"For now we see in hazy outline by means of a metal mirror, but then it will be face-to-face. At present I know partially, but then I will know accurately, just as I am accurately known. "

"Listen! Your own watchmen have raised [their] voice. In unison they keep crying out joyfully; for it will be eye into eye that they will see when Jehovah gathers back Zion."-Isaiah 52:8.

"Beloved ones, we are now children of God, but it has not yet been made manifest what we will be. We do know that when he is made manifest we will be like him, because we will see him just as he is."-1 John 3:2.

"And they will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads."-Revelation 22:4.


As for God's kingdom that you were referring to that Jesus talked about while on earth, he was not talking about the spirit realm. He was talking about a government that God establishes to undo humankind's problems.

Before man sinned there was no need for that kingdom government. All things were in harmony and lived in love and peace. It wasn't until the rebel angel Satan the Devil sinned and got Adam and Eve, humankind's parents, to sin, that God went into action to correct things. Thus he made way for the kingdom that would eventually bring descendants of Adam and Eve back into Jehovah's family:

"This undeserved kindness he caused to abound toward us in all wisdom and understanding  by making known to us the sacred secret of his will. It is according to his good pleasure that he himself purposed for an administration at the full limit of the appointed times, to gather all things together in the Christ, the things in the heavens and the things on the earth. Yes, in him with whom we are in union and were assigned as heirs, having been foreordained according to the purpose of the one who accomplishes all things as he decides according to his will."-Ephesians 1:8-11.

This administration (oikonomiʹa) is not God's kingdom government. Rather it is the way God will administer things to handle the affairs of his universal family, both heavenly and earthly. Now it is thru this administration that God will bring together the rulers of the Messianic kingdom in heaven to accomplish his purpose of having perfect humankind living on earth. The principal ruler that was designated is Jesus Christ, God's only-begotten son. He was crowned king of God's kingdom in heaven in 1914 C. E. and Daniel watched this in prophetic vision in Daniel 7:

“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One. And to him there were given rulership, honor, and a kingdom, that the peoples, nations, and language groups should all serve him. His rulership is an everlasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed."-Daniel 7:13-14.

With Jesus Christ, the "son of man" herein seen in the vision who gained access to the Ancient of Days, his Father, Jehovah God, receiving rulership, honor, and a kingdom, so that all the peoples, nations, and language groups should serve him, there would be people bought from among mankind that would share in his kingdom rule. Daniel 7 brings this out:

"But the holy ones of the Supreme One will receive the kingdom, and they will possess the kingdom forever, yes, forever and ever.’"-Daniel 7:18.

The "holy ones" or saints, will also receive crowns and rule with Jesus Christ. These are the 144,000 that make up God's anointed Christian congregation. Notice a little further on in this vision:

“I kept watching as that horn made war on the holy ones, and it was prevailing against them, until the Ancient of Days came and judgment was rendered in favor of the holy ones of the Supreme One, and the appointed time arrived for the holy ones to take possession of the kingdom."Daniel 7:21-22.

The horn in this prophecy is the United States. I go into this in detail in another post of mine. Then "the appointed time" arrives for the saints, or holy ones, to take possession of the kingdom. This is a future event when Jesus will raise those who have been adopted as spirit sons of God who are sleeping in death, to immortal spirit life in heaven, and then we, those who have been called and chosen to rule in heaven that are alive at that time will be caught along with them, and changed in the moment in a twinkling of an eye, and we will put off this mortal human body of flesh and blood, and be given immortal spirit bodies. There in heaven with Jesus Christ the holy ones, the 144,000 will take possession of God's kingdom government and rule with Jesus over the earth for the 1,000 years restoring humankind back to perfection, curing all the sicknesses, fixing all humankind's problems, and as the last enemy, death will be brought to nothing.

This is the Messianic kingdom which Jesus preached about and which would be preached about in the last days before the end comes.

a reply to: randomuser

Dude
All those things you say astonish me. How can you so honestly sell those statements as facts?
And how can you not see the problem in this statement

There in heaven with Jesus Christ the holy ones, the 144,000 will take possession of God's kingdom government and rule with Jesus over the earth for the 1,000 years restoring humankind back to perfection, curing all the sicknesses, fixing all humankind's problems, and as the last enemy, death will be brought to nothing.

You are threatening God to usurp him because he does such a crappy job, but you and your gang leader will do a better job after you died?
That gives you superpowers and makes you better than God? I doubt that.
What you seem to assume and what I certainly don't think is possible is that you're just one death away from becoming God.
That's not going to happen. It's not just your body that's holding you back. In comparison with an entity Managing the entire universe you got to think a lot more a lot faster than you, with or without body.

And that's exactly the problem when you start to anthropomorphize God. Jesus never was, is not and never will be God. And you also not.
Not just a different state of mind.
Not just a different state of existence.
An entirely different class of being.

originally posted by: Peeple

And that's exactly the problem when you start to anthropomorphize God. Jesus never was, is not and never will be God. And you also not.
Not just a different state of mind.
Not just a different state of existence.
An entirely different class of being.

Humans are children of God. Just like any kind of child, we develop to become like the Parent, given that the child follows the direction of the parent.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: randomuser

Dude
All those things you say astonish me. How can you so honestly sell those statements as facts?
And how can you not see the problem in this statement

There in heaven with Jesus Christ the holy ones, the 144,000 will take possession of God's kingdom government and rule with Jesus over the earth for the 1,000 years restoring humankind back to perfection, curing all the sicknesses, fixing all humankind's problems, and as the last enemy, death will be brought to nothing.

You are threatening God to usurp him because he does such a crappy job, but you and your gang leader will do a better job after you died?
That gives you superpowers and makes you better than God? I doubt that.
What you seem to assume and what I certainly don't think is possible is that you're just one death away from becoming God.
That's not going to happen. It's not just your body that's holding you back. In comparison with an entity Managing the entire universe you got to think a lot more a lot faster than you, with or without body.

And that's exactly the problem when you start to anthropomorphize God. Jesus never was, is not and never will be God. And you also not.
Not just a different state of mind.
Not just a different state of existence.
An entirely different class of being.

See this thread on a better understanding of the 144,000.

Most of the time when I use the word "we" in a statement it is quoting a Bible passage. For example:

"See what sort of love the Father has given us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are. That is why the world does not know us, because it has not come to know him.  Beloved ones, we are now children of God, but it has not yet been made manifest what we will be. We do know that when he is made manifest we will be like him, because we will see him just as he is."-1 John 3:1,2.

The apostle John here talking to the anointed Christian congregation clearly tells us that when God is made manifest we will see him just like he is because we will be like him.

"And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we will bear also the image of the heavenly one."-1 Corinthians 15:49.

Here those of us who have been called and anointed with holy spirit are told that we will bare the image, or be like God, just as we bore the image, or were like Adam.

"But our citizenship exists in the heavens, and we are eagerly waiting for a savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our humble body to be like his glorious body by his great power that enables him to subject all things to himself."-Philippians 3:20, 21.

Here the anointed, those of us whom have been called and chosen according to God's good pleasure, are told that our citizenship exists in heaven. And that the Lord Jesus Christ will transform our humble bodies to be like his glorious body by his great power.

"If we go on enduring, we will also rule together as kings; if we deny, he will also deny us."-2 Timothy 2:12.

Paul here addressing the anointed also tells us that if we endure till the end we will rule together as kings.

Jesus Christ promises to the called and chosen who have remained faithful to the end a crown of life in heaven and promises that we shall sit down on thrones and have authority over the nations, receiving scepters of iron with which to shepherd the nations and break them to pieces:

"To the one who conquers I will grant to sit down with me on my throne, just as I conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne."-Revelation 3:21.

"And to the one who conquers and observes my deeds down to the end, I will give authority over the nations, and he will shepherd the people with an iron rod so that they will be broken to pieces like clay vessels, just as I have received from my Father. And I will give him the morning star. "-Revelation 2:26-28.

"Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed,  in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet."-1 Corinthians 15:51-52.

"Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord. "-1 Thessalonians 4:17.

I can go on. What you will notice with my posts that while I do give references to certain passages in the Bible, I will often quote many more without giving the references. A person not familiar with the Bible will never notice this. But because you have been so perplexed by these things I may author an OP explaining these things in fuller detail for people such as yourself.

a reply to: cooperton

Sorry I cant accept that as fact. How would anybody know what God wants?
It might be the one True God never actually spoke to us. That all of those 'contactees' always reach a different adress than they want to is a possibility.
There can't be a visual validation if you're actually talking to God/Jesus/Jupiter. And without that we humans have a tendency to struggle with that.
You can't even tell who you are talking to but you know all about their intentions?

a reply to: cooperton

Humans are children of God

No. Actually, the opposite holds: God is the invention of humans.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: cooperton

Sorry I cant accept that as fact. How would anybody know what God wants?
It might be the one True God never actually spoke to us. That all of those 'contactees' always reach a different adress than they want to is a possibility.
There can't be a visual validation if you're actually talking to God/Jesus/Jupiter. And without that we humans have a tendency to struggle with that.
You can't even tell who you are talking to but you know all about their intentions?

I trust the guy who taught a philosophy that resonated with me and rose from the dead to prove His authority.

a reply to: cooperton

You poor thing. He didn't.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: cooperton

You poor thing. He didn't.

Nah, doesn't make sense that most of His apostles would risk their life and be martyred supporting His message if it was fraudulent.

originally posted by: Direne

No. Actually, the opposite holds: God is the invention of humans.

No way the intricate laws of the universe that uphold all matter for the past known history are the contrivance of anything except a hyper-intelligent transcendental Being.

The US constitution is a good law that upholds our civil state of being, but imagine the intelligence required to make physical laws to persist all things in a habitable physical realm.

To suppose these physical laws came to be by random chance is equivalent to supposing a virtual reality game could be created and programmed by random chance. There's no way. We are the product of an intelligent Designer.