New Zealand Doctors Send Letter Asking Police To Investigate Deaths After Covid Shots

Why. I did not force you to lie, you did it 100% voluntarily. AFTER I predicted it. Not sure truth seekers do that. And am sure the site wants the truth to be told. Education matters.


I would have given you more respect if you just told the truth, you just did not want to wear one.


To those with real interest, not fake ....


No, masks the public wear are NOT meant to keep out 100% of any virus. Just the heavy viral load someone may receive if someone coughed or sneezed or yelled into your face. Inocula ( small particles floating around getting in through the sides )  is acceptable and usually leads to a slow , low level infection called asymptomatic.
 

They are primarily designed as PART of an overlapping system designed to make the virus's transmission highly unlikely. People failing to follow basic instructions is the main fault with the system.( so basically people like Grenade ) 
They are seldom talked about in isolation during a pandemic. Except by academics who do not work in the field, and fake experts.    


a reply to: Grenade

And just in case some are still not sure if my "opinion" is based on reality.

I live in New Zealand. We managed to eliminate Covid 19 twice. Once for 300 days. No drugs, no vaccine, just what I was discussing before. Standard ESR guidelines.

And no, we, just like other countries who use masks for many other reasons outside of pandemics, no "harm" was recorded.

But I am sure most of you already knew that.


a reply to: thedeadtruth

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Grenade
Again, I think the majority of people who haven’t taken the jab made that choice without fear being the driving force.

Maybe some, but those that think they are death shots are afraid of them.

Being afraid of being vaxxed by surprise or force would be a fear of the action and not just the vaccines themselves.

Even those who are just uneasy about them not being thoroughly tested are afraid of the side effects and that would be the reason to avoid them. That is a decision made from fear.

For me it was a decision based on anger and resentment towards very wicked and immoral people, not to mention the epic levels of hypocrisy of those trying to force this upon a large population by using fear as a weapon themselves. For a whole lot of people they have indeed been death shots.

a reply to: thedeadtruth

Is that why your country now is in the top 5 for daily deaths and cases per capita?

Well done, all those masks and mandates delayed the inevitable.

originally posted by: Grenade
You’re right, I’m completely terrified of something that has no effect on me.

*yawn

Again, it isn't just about you.

But yeah, you are either having trouble wrapping your head around it or you just don't want to admit it can be a choice from fear.

It isn't hard, someone who is afraid of flying decides, based on their fear, never to set foot on a plane.

They, like you, can say they are not afraid of flying (in your case the jabs) because they would never get on a plane so it would never effect them, but the choice to never set foot on one is based on their fear.

originally posted by: Grenade
Does it really matter. Discuss the topic.

The topic is fear mongering that feeds the fear used by some people to make the choice to avoid the "death shots".

Some people love to say people accepted the vaccines out of fear and I'm just saying that it swings both ways because some people avoid them out of fear as well.

Like the rest of your cronies you lack the capacity to address the issue at hand so need to make it personal to deflect.

Yeah, that is why I keep saying it isn't just about you. Your the one who chose to make it about you.

a reply to: daskakik

Really? That’s not the topic or subject matter I took from the OP.

I can only give you my opinion and perception, I have a mind of my own hence the constant problems with group think ideologue’s.

I’m telling you my choice isn’t related to fear, it’s you who can’t accept that.

I can’t speak for anyone else. Clear and simple enough for you?

originally posted by: Grenade
Really? That’s not the topic or subject matter I took from the OP.

It is an example of the fear mongering that the OP posts quite often.

I’m telling you my choice isn’t related to fear, it’s you who can’t accept that.

And I said I'm not talking about just you and that there are people who's choice to avoid the jab is a choice from fear, so it isn't just those who got it making a choice from fear.

a reply to: daskakik

Well don’t direct the response at me. Again I don’t claim to speak for others, not a member of the hive.

originally posted by: Grenade
Well don’t direct the response at me. Again I don’t claim to speak for others, not a member of the hive.

You seemed to be speaking for everyone, both the unfearful avoiding the vax and those full of fear who took it, when you said:

Yeah, the people who rejected vaccines are the fearful ones. Not the idiots who lined up en masse to inject themselves with experimental treatments for a mild respiratory virus.

That is what I responded to with:

Actually, both actions could be motivated by fear.

It certainly does look like some people are really scared of the jabs.

Not specifically talking about you or anyone else, until you took it there.

Punished for .... spreading a lie ( Note: it was not a harmless "opinion" ) that could only have one logical outcome. More people getting the virus.

You lied in an attempt to spread a virus that was and still is killing people. If that is not evil I do not know what is.

P.S. If you could have pointed to a place and time in the last 100 years where your "opinion" was formed through real life harm, that would at least have been something. But you have nothing.


It was a fabrication to scare people into following your selfish behavior. Not caring who it may harm.


Have you not stated that is unacceptable behavior by others ? And punishment should follow if caught. Same rules should apply to you, correct ?


a reply to: Grenade

originally posted by: thedeadtruth
Punished for .... spreading a lie ( Note: it was not a harmless "opinion" ) that could only have one logical outcome. More people getting the virus.

You lied in an attempt to spread a virus that was and still is killing people. If that is not evil I do not know what is.

P.S. If you could have pointed to a place and time in the last 100 years where your "opinion" was formed through real life harm, that would at least have been something. But you have nothing.


It was a fabrication to scare people into following your selfish behavior. Not caring who it may harm.


Have you not stated that is unacceptable behavior by others ? And punishment should follow if caught. Same rules should apply to you, correct ?


a reply to: Grenade

It doesn't stop infection or transmission. Just stop. It's over.

a reply to: Grenade

" Is that why your country now is in the top 5 for daily deaths and cases per capita? "

You are correct. But again you "forget" to give the full truth. It all took off as people and mandates changed. Which was predicted. And we have seen this pattern globally.

But that only proves our point, not yours. It only turned to mayhem after people started acting like YOU.


When Kiwis acted as recommended by people who do this globally ( quite often for free. At plenty of risk to themselves . Not just from the outbreaks .. Also lots of us who have done ESR work do not charge. ) we went 300 days with not one case.

No drugs or vaccine needed. Which if you really believed half the stuff you wrote, you would have celebrated. Just something to ponder over as you try to justify to yourself why your "opinions" do not match reality.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

" It doesn't stop infection or transmission"

Yes , most educated adults already knew this. Just like we knew all vaccines carry risks.( globally that is, I am sure there are pockets of ignorance in 3rd would countries this is not the case ) Also children.

The fact you did not know these things just confirms your limitations on this subject. But good for you for being honest about that. No shame.

a reply to: thedeadtruth

A famous " anti-everything-er " here in our country getting caught lying his butt off. It seems to be the one thing they all have in common.

www.youtube.com...


Something members of this site who are long term readers and posters are used to seeing time and time again.

People claiming to being "truth seekers", that when it is discovered they are wrong, instead of having the moral fortitude to just go " Ok I concede that point " ....decide to lie instead. And then lie some more. It never ends after they decide it is the path they want to follow.

Maybe it is pride that makes them do it, but when lives are on the line, not cool. And no excuse is good enough when it is that serious.

But you can see why no matter what reality shows them ( think about this, they actually witnessed masks work and not harm people so to most sane people the debate is over, at least for them, right ? ) they will continue to lie to themselves. Full on delusion.

I LOVE a good debate between two parties who are honest. But once you are faced with deep seated dishonesty like that, it stops becoming about finding out what the truth might be ( or as close to it as we can get ) but turns the subject into a joke. And gives "alternative theory " people a bad name.

It certainly has made it easier for the Press , Govts etc...them to label us all as disturbed individuals.