Former PM Abe of Japan has been assassinated

originally posted by: face23785
I'd be curious to hear what Japanese citizens thought of him. US media didn't care for him much because he had a good working relationship with Trump, so they are physically incapable of objectivity on him.

Keep in mind Western media didn't particularly care for Zelensky either, until Russia invaded Ukraine.

For me, I always liked him. He was friendly and easy going. Since I live in the prefecture where his family live, most people had favorable thoughts of his leadership.
Large cities I really don't know. Just like Trump, the news media never let up on any of his failures and didn't talk much about his successes.
During his time, our business was stable and growing and the housing market was booming also. I thought he was a good guy.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: AaarghZombies

So he wanted to move on from the World Order and didn't want to go along with the Chinese? I begin to see the problem ...

I'm going to humor you on this one as you really should know better.

Abe was a prime candidate for being part of the NWO, rather than a puppet of it. Far more so than any of his predecessors that come to mind right now. Particularly Koizumi.

Abe wanted to re-arm Japan and to re-write the post war constitution to allow Japan to take a more active position in the world. He was positioning Japan as solid hunk of rock in the Asia Pacific region with a powerful and modern military able to reach out and take control of any given situation in SE-Asia. Especially those involving the smaller island nations, or in situations where the possibility of force projection was needed in order to discourage China from taking advantage of local political situations.

This is right in line with NWO thinking.

Right now a pacifist Japan presents the NWO with a problem, in that the government is neither going to be willing nor able to act beyond its borders. Particularly in relation to China, which is independent of both the NWO and TPTB, and has no regional rivals since America dropped the ball on defense commitments in the region and allowed China to move ahead of it.

Japan is also not a big buyer of weapons, or a big seller of them, so it's outside of the global military industrial complex. Abe's vision for Japan could have been both. Moving it further inside the NWO's sphere of influence.

He was also a moderate socialist, he offered people a big juicy carrot in exchange for compliance, and while at the same time not threatening to overturn the status quo for big business. Also NWO terretory.

We must also remember that he oversaw a fall in the birth rate without a substantial increase in life expectancy to accompany it. Also an NWO goal.

Abe's "not going along with the Chinese" was his support for a controversial war memorial. He almost literally laid flowers on the grave Japanese Hitler. Imaging how America would have reacted had the former Chancellor of Germany done something similar.

originally posted by: face23785
I'd be curious to hear what Japanese citizens thought of him.

Economically, he tried to be a reformer (Google "Abenomics") but was hampered by a system that's very adverse to change or reform of any kind.

Socially, he was extremely divisive because he wanted to re-interpret Japan's post war constitution to allow the JSDF to become more actively involved outside of Japan's domestic sphere. A lot of People were upset about that. By Japanese standards he was a hawk. Probably the local equivalent of Bush Sr (By Japanese standards, at least).

Rest in peace Abe.

This is really worrisome. You have one leader deliberately destroying their own Country, Another steps down and one Assasinated, all within the year.

2012 huh? Seems like they messed up by 10 years, 2022 is much worse....

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: face23785
I'd be curious to hear what Japanese citizens thought of him.

By Japanese standards he was a hawk. Probably the local equivalent of Bush Sr (By Japanese standards, at least).

He was extremely controversial, the Japanese would consider him their version of Trump

You're pushing this really hard, over and over, in both active threads about this. Are these the approved DNC talking points?

originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: Bigburgh

This is really out of the the blue.

No. It was necessary. Abe’s grandfather, Nobusuke Kishi, who was arrested as a war criminal and later became prime minister, had a long history of associating with yakuza. Abe was essentially raised by his grandfather.

Abe, a yakuza boss, was in trouble with the law. No angels in this world.

Excuse me? You are not healthy in the head.

Biden: Crime family, His mentor was a KK leader.
And by those standards would you say the same if Biden was assassinated?

originally posted by: face23785
I'd be curious to hear what Japanese citizens thought of him. US media didn't care for him much because he had a good working relationship with Trump, so they are physically incapable of objectivity on him.

Keep in mind Western media didn't particularly care for Zelensky either, until Russia invaded Ukraine.

Western Media called him a Nazi up until then.

RIP Shinzo Abe.

Abe was sort of an unconventional person by Japanese standards. He wanted to get past WWII. He wanted to upgrade the military and modernize Japanese thinking to be more in step with the rest of the world, at least in some areas. That is contradictory to Japanese ideology which is steeped in tradition and is largely unwilling to embrace change. The reason he was so popular was that the changes he sought were in Japan's best interests and many people saw that.

a reply to: musicismagic

He did something(s) against the globalists apparently.

Wife and I were talking this morning, in general people have become less violent the past 20 to 40 years (we think), so almost all assassinations or shootings are most likely done by deep state/gov operatives to further an agenda. IMHO

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Not really.

Your characterization is very counter to what is publicly known about him.

The NWO seems to be friendly toward China and a global communist regime. It is also a globalist conspiracy not a nationalist one. Shinzo Abe was a conservative and had nationalist politics. He was elected twice and was the longest serving post war PM. Both elections were by wide margins so hardly divisive.


Abe was a Trump ally and NPR via AP has been writing hit pieces on him since last night. Some of which were deleted as quickly as they were posted on Twitter.

The explanation for the motivation of the assassin doesn't seem to make any sense either.

The people who benefit the most from this is the CCP as Abe was making moves, as you correctly pointed out, to counter CCP expansionism in the region.

originally posted by: projectvxn
Shinzo Abe was a conservative and had nationalist politics.

It's my understanding that most of Japan is conservative and nationalist as well. There's a reason they have really strict immigration policy and want to keep their country almost entirely Japanese, ethnically and culturally. That's probably why they have so little crime, by the way. As Angela Merkel said, multiculturalism is a failure. It causes chaos.

Which is kind of hilarious considering how a lot of young people here in the US, who tend to be really progressive, glorify Japanese society with their worship of anime and manga and all that. Anyone in the US who has values like the Japanese is derided by such young people as racist and xenophobic.

Of course, zero logical thought goes into any of their views, which leads to such glaring contradictions.

a reply to: face23785

And apparently the NWO is a conservative nationalist conspiracy. /Sarcasm

There really isn't any logical consistency in the crap they say.

a reply to: projectvxn

I thought "the NWO" was a WEF/world oligarchy conspiracy?

One which uses whichever political party (in the US, liberal progressives, currently) happens to be in power to serve their agenda?

a reply to: lostgirl

You're missing my sarcasm.

Edit:

There, I made it obvious.

a reply to: projectvxn

Ooops...sorry!
Gave you a star on both posts to make up for it

a reply to: lostgirl

Text only medium makes it too easy to misinterpret sarcasm. The fault is mine.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Silcone Synapse
a reply to: musicismagic

This is a real shock-he seemed like the kind of guy everyone liked.
A sad day for Japan,and the world.

He was one of the most divisive leaders that Japan has had in the last 40 years.

Not that he deserved to be assassinated, of course, but he was extremely controversial (by Japanese standards) because of his stance on re-armament and the legacy of WWII.

Meh. I didn't know the guy, but you people think Trump was divisive, too, but none of his policies targeted one side over the other. He also didn't jump to conclusions to choose sides like Obama did and like Biden does. The only reason he looks divisive to the left is because they hated him and were told he was divisive. So I don't know if he was divisive or not.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Silcone Synapse
a reply to: musicismagic

This is a real shock-he seemed like the kind of guy everyone liked.
A sad day for Japan,and the world.

He was one of the most divisive leaders that Japan has had in the last 40 years.

Not that he deserved to be assassinated, of course, but he was extremely controversial (by Japanese standards) because of his stance on re-armament and the legacy of WWII.

Meh. I didn't know the guy, but you people think Trump was divisive, too, but none of his policies targeted one side over the other. He also didn't jump to conclusions to choose sides like Obama did and like Biden does. The only reason he looks divisive to the left is because they hated him and were told he was divisive. So I don't know if he was divisive or not.

The problem is the hive mentality of some on the left, especially the socialist ranks. Everyone is supposed to be the same, and only their way can possibly be correct or even allowable. They treat ANY dissention from their ideology is as bad as being on the complete opposite end of the spectrum, no matter how slight the difference is. There's no grey area or middle ground. You either agree with them on everything, or you're the enemy. See Joe Manchin.

So when they see someone like Abe, who apparently was fairly mainstream with most of Japanese society on most issues, but had one or two different ideas, to them that's "controversial" and makes him an outlier. Just the fact that he was conservative makes him an extremist in their eyes.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: face23785
I'd be curious to hear what Japanese citizens thought of him.

By Japanese standards he was a hawk. Probably the local equivalent of Bush Sr (By Japanese standards, at least).

He was extremely controversial, the Japanese would consider him their version of Trump

You're pushing this really hard, over and over, in both active threads about this. Are these the approved DNC talking points?

It's clear that most people on this forum have no idea who Abe was or what his policies were.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Silcone Synapse
a reply to: musicismagic

This is a real shock-he seemed like the kind of guy everyone liked.
A sad day for Japan,and the world.

He was one of the most divisive leaders that Japan has had in the last 40 years.

Not that he deserved to be assassinated, of course, but he was extremely controversial (by Japanese standards) because of his stance on re-armament and the legacy of WWII.

Meh. I didn't know the guy, but you people think Trump was divisive, too, but none of his policies targeted one side over the other. He also didn't jump to conclusions to choose sides like Obama did and like Biden does. The only reason he looks divisive to the left is because they hated him and were told he was divisive. So I don't know if he was divisive or not.

Seriously?

Trump was devisive because he targetted multiple hot button issues that riled up the left in order to court the votes of some of the more extreme elements on the right.

Lock her up, build the wall, pack the supreme court, you must remember that?

You don't remember him insulting foreign leaders on Twitter?

How about his position on homosexuals and the trans community in the military, or in general?

His attacks on Dreamers?

His tax cuts for big business?

His trade war with China?

His mocking that diabled reporter?

Remember his stance on covid and vaxxes?

Pulling back environmental legislation?

Ringing any bells?

I'm a life long conservative, and a 2A supporter, but even I can see that Trump trod on a lot of toes.