How will we know if time travel becomes reality?

originally posted by: network dude
Currently residing in clown world, every now and then, I wonder just what brought us here. Some major event must have happened to topple the scales of reality to bring us to this joke of an existence. But then I thought about the little things. If I travel back in time and make a small change that results in something large later on, like making an investment in something you know will prosper, like Bitcoin. That insignificant thing back then could make a billionaire out of a nobody. What would the ripple effects be from that one action?

What if you went back and helped Corn pop beat the piss out of Joey? Would he still have been a senator and later president? Or would that one change alter the future that we see as the present? If and when time travel becomes a thing, it's doubtful there will be rules set up that are infallible. So mistakes will be made, and those mistakes will have global ramifications, perhaps they already have.

Just ask here on ATS , Im sure there are time travelers that post here as well create some of the most delusional ideas on Earth .
Yet your question is interesting, because you would really never know if time has been altered

a reply to: Direne

is there anything to prevent an AI from going rogue once self aware and time travelling to fix humanity since we cannot decide ?
or has it already happened

who knows

Surprised it hasn't been mentioned yet, but if you have researched the Philadelphia Experiment, and if you find Al Beilik credible, then it's alleged that time travel is possible and has already been taking place for a long time.



The interviews Art Bell did with Al Beilik were some of his finest programs.

a reply to: network dude
Well good luck to the fellow or fellows. And good luck to the lady or ladies that invent time travel. Because if someone does I don't see them leaving with the lot of us, that's for sure...

Time travel is a certainty, if we take stock in our own theories.

Quantum theory says that everything we can think of and envision will eventually come to pass in one way or another.

This means time travel will be discovered in the future.

This means the "Us" of the future have been visiting the Us of today, and have been for as long as humanity has been here.

So, Time Travel exists.

Our very existence and this universe itself, probably resemble a Klein bottle, and we thought of that one as well.

a reply to: charlyv

does this also mean that the ideas I think of for the future of humanity will come to pass?
well if not in this universe then a parallel one or one of the ones in the multiverse?

I started watching the new season of The Umbrella Academy yesterday (yes, shoot me , I really like that show!). One episode is called 'the grandfather paradox'.
Basically it means that, if you go back in time and kill your grandfather, before your mother was born, you would not exist in the present, but if you don't exist in the present, how did you go back in time to kill grandpa?

this paradox kept me awake for hours thinking about it....

so, let's say time travel is actually possible.
then we either seize to exist once we travel, we sort of 'vanish' with the slightest changes and there wouldn't be a trace or ripple effect left for someone else to notice
or, if not the above,
and time travel is real and done by humanity, we would see ripple effects and abnormalities all over the place. I don't think anyone would be able to hide it.
or
every 'slice' of time is able to exist on its own without affecting the rest of the 'time-slices'. Like multiple time-dimensions existing next to each other. In this case we wouldn't be aware of time travelers either...

Just some thoughts

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: charlyv

does this also mean that the ideas I think of for the future of humanity will come to pass?
well if not in this universe then a parallel one or one of the ones in the multiverse?

There are no exclusions and the nature of infinite possibilities puts no limit on the number of times the same idea or situation may become reality in any and all of the multiverse.

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

every 'slice' of time is able to exist on its own without affecting the rest of the 'time-slices'. Like multiple time-dimensions existing next to each other. In this case we wouldn't be aware of time travelers either...

Time and space have analog characteristics, as they have infinite granularity. This means that there is no way to inject or extrapolate an exact value, since the division always produces an irrational number. This means you can never go back to the exact timeline you may have left from because it can never be exactly re-calculated, thus there is never a paradox.

Theoretically, you can get very close, but some things will always be different enough so that the paradox is avoided.

Think of climbing up the side of a pyramid to reach the apex. Each step you take, the scale changes to magnify your progress. You can never reach the apex as the distance to it is infinite.

I think the builders of the pyramids (ancient Egyptians?) understood this conundrum, as it makes a pyramid infinitely tall.

originally posted by: charlyv
a reply to: KindraLabelle2


Time and space have analog characteristics, as they have infinite granularity. This means that there is no way to inject or extrapolate an exact value, since the division always produces an irrational number. This means you can never go back to the exact timeline you may have left from because it can never be exactly re-calculated, thus there is never a paradox.

Theoretically, you can get very close, but some things will always be different enough so that the paradox is avoided.

Think of climbing up the side of a pyramid to reach the apex. Each step you take, the scale changes to magnify your progress. You can never reach the apex as the distance to it is infinite.

I think the builders of the pyramids (ancient Egyptians?) understood this conundrum, as it makes a pyramid infinitely tall.

Since time itself has never been observed, you cannot say that it has an analogue character or a known granularity.

I'm curious though, where did you get your theory from?

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

It reminds me of duality of light..
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a reply to: network dude

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a reply to: BlackProjects

thanks for posting that.

Can't believe I am going to post this..But why the hell not, I'm retired.
Background; Military, Spec ops, Doctor retired.

Travel at this point seems to be more dimensional. I can tell you first hand from the one who's been there, done that, that it sucks to be him. Almost complete hysteria the first time through. Second, some semblance of calming, yet you freak because you realize,
everything you are doing ,no matter how you try not to, is exactly as it was before.
I am talking 1,000 plus miles of travel virtually lost without knowing where you are going(part of ecpirement to rule out randomness etc.. at night only to do exactly the same thing
and end up in the same place. never knowing you were headed out to begin with.(you're not told).
third trip and final calm all together and almost invincible knowing, Im not gonna Die!
Aftereffect; I see to much # I know is real, but you could never explain it. I know death is not real or even possible.
I could explain it and how it is a illusion to those who experience it in the dimension left behind, yet a complete fallacy to those who supposedly die who just kept right on going in their dimension, never succumbing to anything....Even Bombs!
Reason for travel: Witnessed a nuclear blast on our soil 4 years ago in the future past. I should state; witnessed the blast 3 times, travelled 3 times. Somewhere west of smokies around Alabama.

We are far from ever doing it for fun.

a reply to: BlackProjects

Since time itself has never been observed, you cannot say that it has an analogue character or a known granularity.

The word is analog, and it makes a difference to engineers and scientists.
If you do not understand why time is an analog entity regardless of what ever time is, and all analog systems are infinitely granular, you should go take a physics course.

I will give you a little hint though...
In a digital system, when a digital clock says it is 5pm, it is 5pm in the digital domain of the number of bits the system has agreed upon for the sake of accuracy.

If an analog clock says it is 5pm, it is only an approximation. An analog system can never represent any integer or real number exactly. This is due to the nature of an infinite series. You can divide by 2 forever in an attempt to increase accuracy, but you will never get an even result.

A digital system gets away with this by purposely constraining its answer because it is built around and controls a finite state of possibilities.


Here is another one I like to tell my kids...

An isosceles triangle can be considered a digital representation of a circle. A circle with a granularity of 3.

An actual circle has infinite granularity. It is an analog construct. There exists no true circles,

a reply to: DayIWILL

It is scary at best.
Many people coming out telling stuff they have never talked about because it was too weird and people would just not understand.

But now, they just want to get it off their chest because the world we are used to, seems to be dissolving under our feet.

I am close to this reality as well, hoping that the world will just heal itself... and those that are causing the turmoil are hung in the streets....

So I am interested in what you have said. Keep it going and I might get triggered to release some weird stuff myself.

God speed.

originally posted by: KindraLabelle2

originally posted by: charlyv
a reply to: KindraLabelle2


Time and space have analog characteristics, as they have infinite granularity. This means that there is no way to inject or extrapolate an exact value, since the division always produces an irrational number. This means you can never go back to the exact timeline you may have left from because it can never be exactly re-calculated, thus there is never a paradox.

Theoretically, you can get very close, but some things will always be different enough so that the paradox is avoided.

Think of climbing up the side of a pyramid to reach the apex. Each step you take, the scale changes to magnify your progress. You can never reach the apex as the distance to it is infinite.

I think the builders of the pyramids (ancient Egyptians?) understood this conundrum, as it makes a pyramid infinitely tall.

Since time itself has never been observed, you cannot say that it has an analogue character or a known granularity.

I'm curious though, where did you get your theory from?

i got it from my favorite television program of course

like you

so its true

originally posted by: LOIUSCIPHERE

i got it from my favorite television program of course

like you

so its true

Yeah, but I clearly stated that a theory out of a tv show got me thinking, and was hoping to brainstorm the idea with whoever interested in the topic,
while the other user that replied to me (which is not you) presented his reply as facts and so far did not bother to explain more about it.
Big difference there...

What did you contribute to this thread?
Other then posting a pointless reply?

my favorite show is coming on

ill respond later

originally posted by: charlyv
a reply to: BlackProjects

Since time itself has never been observed, you cannot say that it has an analogue character or a known granularity.

The word is analog, and it makes a difference to engineers and scientists.
If you do not understand why time is an analog entity regardless of what ever time is, and all analog systems are infinitely granular, you should go take a physics course.

I will give you a little hint though...
In a digital system, when a digital clock says it is 5pm, it is 5pm in the digital domain of the number of bits the system has agreed upon for the sake of accuracy.

If an analog clock says it is 5pm, it is only an approximation. An analog system can never represent any integer or real number exactly. This is due to the nature of an infinite series. You can divide by 2 forever in an attempt to increase accuracy, but you will never get an even result.

A digital system gets away with this by purposely constraining its answer because it is built around and controls a finite state of possibilities.

Here is another one I like to tell my kids...

An isosceles triangle can be considered a digital representation of a circle. A circle with a granularity of 3.

An actual circle has infinite granularity. It is an analog construct. There exists no true circles,

first of all apologies, I said that you hadn't bothered to reply to me, but you did, only replied to the wrong member.

I did indeed write the french word analogue, my native language is not English but I think you understood perfectly what I meant.

A clock, analog or digital is just that : an object that represents our measurement and perception of time.
It is not time itself.
you can ask all the physicists in the world and none of them will be able to tell you the exact nature of 'time', in fact, most of them will tell you that time might not even exist at all. If we fully understood the concept of time it would open a lot of doors in the science world.
Some scientists who explore the more unpopular areas, like simulation theory (which are based on theory only) even suggest that time must be digital.