Who was surprised when the 'election fairy' changed the votes at 3am in 2020?

originally posted by: everyone
Trump also made America Oil independent.

We imported tens of millions of barrels of foreign oil under Trump's entire administration.

Well, it actually did happen, here in MI. It was even reported on the news.
But, they changed them all back, real quick.

So, nothing to see here.

Good old Whitmire has our back, for sure.

LOL

originally posted by: chiefsmom
Well, it actually did happen, here in MI. It was even reported on the news.
But, they changed them all back, real quick.

So, nothing to see here.

Good old Whitmire has our back, for sure.

LOL

That was a technical error, it was noticed and corrected, the system caught it like it was supposed to do.

Still can't believe so many of you fell for his act.
This guy was never going to do anything good for the US, he is only in it for the attention.

And I know, I know. They're all fakers in a makebelieve democracy. But he took it to new levels of discusting

originally posted by: everyone
a reply to: gortex

Trump achieved many things. Including bringing both North and South Korean leaders together,

That was due to America canceling a planned war game. They got together because the US conceded to a long standing north Korean demand.

a reply to: everyone

Trump achieved many things. Including bringing both North and South Korean leaders together, physically.

It could be argued that Trump was played by Kim who got what he wanted (photo opp) and gave little to nothing back.

Now tell me of the great achievements of Biden ?

Seriously. tell me.

He woke up this morning and he beat Trump to become President of the USA ... other than that I got nothing.

The plywood over the windows was a signal sender too 😀

If 45 would have had less votes in 2020 I could easily say it was a loss. However, 2 things.

1. He got close to 10 million more votes. Hadn't been done since Reagan. Even the mighty Obama shrunk.
2. No way I can ever believe Joe got more votes than Obama did in his first run. Never.

45 had more votes cast, 2%, in the 15 key battleground states than in 2016 and still lost? You are also going to get me to believe that in 4 years an extra 15% of the population voted? NFW.

It is about numbers not blindly following someone. I would have voted for Bernie Sanders before BIden if he ran against him in 2020 and 45 was not in the picture because at least he tells you how it is going to screw you.


and here we are. More divided that we were with 45 in office. A lot more divided as a country and that falls at the feet of the current administration.

a reply to: everyone

If all those things are true about Trump then why are we in the situation we are in today? "But Biden" isn't an answer either, administrations don't live in a vacuum.

Everything Trump did helped lead us to where we are today. To deny that is too deny reality.

a reply to: RegularJo76

COVID and the reversal of EVERY Trump policy is why were are here right now. We were on an upward shift with everything and then it hit a wall.

There was no material voter fraud in the 2020 elections; what did happen is that Democrats and Establishment Republicans used the pandemic to legally create a chaotic voting process that would ultimately disfavor President Trump because his campaign did not have the same discipline and reach as the establishment. The Democrats and Republicans do this to the non-established candidates in their districts all the time. This was just the first time in memory that they all pushed in the same direction in order to unseat an unpopular (to them) President.

It's not who you vote for; its not even who counts the votes; it all about who sets up the rules prior to the vote.

In 2020 ths election process changed in ways and in time frames that would never have been allowed in other years. The Trump campaign did not have the ability to keep up; they had to run a traditional campaign and they actually did well turning out the vote on election night during a pandemic. But they could not take advantage of the tapestry of alternative ways of voting that popped up in the months and days before the 2020 election.

The Trump campaign solution to this inadequacy was to use hyperbole to try and paint an unethical voting process into a fraudulent one. It made for a good argument until it had to be proven in court.

originally posted by: matafuchs
If 45 would have had less votes in 2020 I could easily say it was a loss. However, 2 things.

1. He got close to 10 million more votes. Hadn't been done since Reagan. Even the mighty Obama shrunk.
2. No way I can ever believe Joe got more votes than Obama did in his first run. Never.

45 had more votes cast, 2%, in the 15 key battleground states than in 2016 and still lost? You are also going to get me to believe that in 4 years an extra 15% of the population voted? NFW.

……..

About 12% nationally, actually:

www.census.gov...

A little over 17 million more voters turned out in 2020 compared to 2016. While Trump picked up about 10 million of those, Biden picked up the other 7 million plus. In 2016, Trump picked up about 46.1% of the popular vote. In 2020 that increased to 46.9%, so he got slightly more popular among Republicans, but you need to understand that at the national level, Republicans are the minority. You should note that Trump’s national approval rating never topped 50% during his term; most of the time it was hovering in the mid 40% range. In 2016, Hillary picked up 48.2% of the popular vote—also showing that even though she got more popular votes than Trump, she was never broadly popular. Neither of them broke 50%. In 2020, Biden got 51.3% of the popular vote—simply meaning that he was quite a bit less unpopular than either Hillary or Trump.

Would it ever occur to you to look at actual data instead of just blindly following your confirmation bias?

originally posted by: SortingHat
Trump was winning by a landslide! It was NOT a close victory in either scenario. They are trying to erase Trump from history and don't want anyone to acknowledge his strong America independence. It feels people seem to think that illegal executive orders are the way it's always done (which Trump wounded up having to do) when they all worked with the Republicans to back stab him with bull 💩 lawsuits. As soon as those lawsuits dragged on the economy stagnated and now we are where we are.

Trump should've been in the Oval office the next day but somehow Biden suddenly surged ahead. Either we counted our votes too early or something else is at play with high mysterious powers. Trump should've paid closer attention and guarded the hen house door. I knew if we didn't do that we would be screwed over. The fox WILL ALWAYS look for a way in!

Don't think they're trying to erase him, they're trying to implant him in 'His-story' books as Hitler 2.0.

As far as guarding the hen house, criminals can't be criminals until they've committed crime and you collect evidence.

a reply to: matafuchs

Ah, so Operation Warp Speed was reversed and the vaccine WASN'T pushed onto the population? Because Trump gave big pharma the greenlight.

Was inflation reversed? Because Trump printed 40% of all money in circulation in less than a year. That's what kick-started what we are feeling today.

Trump did not live in a vacuum. You acting as if Trump played no part in our current situation is you lying to yourself.

Even IF the lie you're telling yourself is true it goes to wonder why you guys are so infatuated with a man whose legacy was wiped away the moment he left office? He did NOTHING!

Where are his accomplishments a mere 2 years later? What lasting change did he bring to the table that we're still feeling only 2 years later? We're worse off now than we were 10 or 15 years ago. Blame Biden all you want, he's just a continuation of what Trump started.

a reply to: 1947boomer

For this post I used the following. I am not blindly following anything.

www.cookpolitical.com...

I did not look at the national level because with polling there is no way to know where they all live most times and you know they are mostly skewed. It is just understood. Polling going into 2016 had HRC winning in a landslide except for one or two forecasts if I remember correctly.

a reply to: RegularJo76

Biden reversed everything Trump did so yes, where we are now is all on Biden.

As for the vaxx, I remember as certain sitting POTUS and VPOTUS who said they would NEVER take a Trump vaccine but then threatened for over a year to fire people who did not get it. It is called hypocrisy.

Congress is to ultimately blame here also. See, Trump tried to stand up to them to the point his SOTU was ripped up. Now Biden just listens to them and rubber stamps what they want.

That is the major breakdown right now. I really cannot even blame Biden sometimes because he is not in control.

originally posted by: matafuchs

No way I can ever believe Joe got more votes than Obama did in his first run. Never.

I actually find this really easy to believe. Obama was going up against a so-so outgoing president and his opposition wasn't really inspiring so a lot of people stayed home or vote along party lines.

Biden was going up against an extremely divisive incumbent, Republicans who didn't like Trump crossed party lines to get rid of him, and people who didn't usually vote Hate Voted against Trump.

There are very few times that I can remember where I opposed one candidate rather than supported the other. Trump was one of those times, and I'm an old school right wing conservative whose pro 2A and anti immigration, so I doubt that I'm alone.

I'd have preferred that Trump dropped out and let Pence run in his place, I can really get behind someone like Pence, but that didn't happen.

originally posted by: xuenchen
The plywood over the windows was a signal sender too 😀

Are you talking about Detroit? You mean after Meshawn Maddock, who's embroiled in the whole fake elector scheme kept calling for more and more poll counters? The limit for each party was 125. When he numbers reached 260 they had to kick some out and not let even those who went to lunch back in. This enraged the Patriots outside who started banging on the glass and screaming. The ballot counters got scared and they put cardboard on the windows. The Republican poll watchers were still inside. The cops had to come and deal with the unruly mob.

There have been many links provided about this. This is why we are still in the disarray we are. No matter how many times a story or accusation is proven false, it is refused to be believed. There's always an excuse, or it's "false", a "lie". Almost two years later, this is still being spread as "proof" something nefarious was going on.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: RegularJo76

Biden reversed everything Trump did so yes, where we are now is all on Biden.

The problem with that statement is that most of where you are now is also where the EU and a lot of Asia is, and they didn't have Trump or Biden, because this is due to global trends, not domestic policies.

Gas and food prices are up globally, inflation is up globally, the left pushing hard line racial or gender policies is up globally, even spree killings are up globally.

This would have happened more or less identically had Trump chocked to death on a Chinese ballot paper the day after the elections and Pence was running the country.

a reply to: matafuchs

Crazy how Trump did everything he could to do nothing at all! Most ineffective president in memory, apparently. He did so little that the next president immediately undid everything that he (didn't) do! Greatest president ever! Right?

I also remember a certain president wanting the vaccine rushed out before the elections, yet his supporters complain about it being rushed. He's done nothing but praise the vaccine up to this day. I guess he's too dumb to know that it's poison.